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    • Peter James Foster
    • By Peter James Foster 20th Sep 17, 10:22 AM
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    UKCPS "court recovery action" threat
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:22 AM
    UKCPS "court recovery action" threat 20th Sep 17 at 10:22 AM
    Hi Guys,

    So I was issued a ticket on 12th June from UKCPS.

    After advice I had ignored their letters but have now received a letter which say if I don’t respond within 14 days they will “commence legal action”.

    The letter also starts off with "Letter before court claim"

    Now is this still a threat or should I bite the bullet and pay the fine?

    Thank you all
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 20th Sep 17, 10:30 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:30 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:30 AM
    It's not a 'fine'.

    We wouldn't recommend paying it unless a judge tells you that you must. If the LBCCC letter has come from UKCPS then treat as such and reply using a suitable response from the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, where there are links to examples.

    If it's from a debt collector like DRP, Zenith, ZZPS or their ilk, then it can be ignored.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 20th Sep 17, 10:39 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:39 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:39 AM
    Hi Guys,

    So I was issued a ticket on 12th June from UKCPS.

    After advice I had ignored their letters but have now received a letter which say if I don’t respond within 14 days they will “commence legal action”.

    The letter also starts off with "Letter before court claim"

    Now is this still a threat or should I bite the bullet and pay the fine?

    Thank you all
    Originally posted by Peter James Foster
    UKCPS will use the useless incompetent Gladstones solicitors
    to issue a court claim
    Is the letter from UKCPS or Gladstones ???

    The point is, do you want to pay a scammer ?
    We say NO because you can beat them

    Firstly read this carefully
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5712763

    There are big changes in The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims
    commencing 1st Oct 2017.
    This means that bringing a claim, they have to jump through
    hoops that they don't have to now

    So, is this a letter from UKCPS or Gladstones ???
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Peter James Foster
    • By Peter James Foster 20th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the response.

    You're right it's not a fine and the letter is from UPCPS

    thanks,
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 20th Sep 17, 10:54 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:54 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 10:54 AM
    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the response.

    You're right it's not a fine and the letter is from UPCPS

    thanks,
    Originally posted by Peter James Foster
    Then write back either by email or letter. If a letter, not recorded,
    just get proof of posting from the post office

    You deny any debt to UKCPS and require proof of their claim

    You are the keeper and not the driver

    Is that your real name ???
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 20th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
    NO ..... please delete all of that

    You just need to deny any debt and require proof of their claim

    Are you understanding the point made about the new
    protocol on the 1st Oct ?

    Once they have provided proof then come back here
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 20th Sep 17, 11:15 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:15 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:15 AM
    Have you read through that copy and paste? Did a passenger in the car have a heart condition? What else is wrong - plenty I've spotted!

    While that style of response will be the type to use, you must make sure that whatever you copy and paste relates to your case and you have researched any references in it (like those to PoFA, the CPR etc) and you have some understanding of what you've written.

    Don't forget, if this does progress to court, your response to the LBCCC will be read by a judge before the hearing. You don't want him/her making a pre-hearing presumption that you are just copying and pasting any old internet template without understanding what it is you are purporting to have written yourself - it might well colour the judge's impression regarding other eventual essentials like your defence and witness statement.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 20th Sep 17, 11:18 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:18 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:18 AM
    Especially as you havent even bothered to change it to the correct PPC.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 20th Sep 17, 11:38 AM
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    • #9
    • 20th Sep 17, 11:38 AM
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    • 20th Sep 17, 11:38 AM
    gah! edit your post!
    NEVER identify the driver.

    No, youre doing as told - denying the debt, and require copies of all documetns they will rely upon in the event of a claim

    You want this spun out past 1st October as this is when NEW RULES come into force that GREATLY assist you.
    • Peter James Foster
    • By Peter James Foster 20th Sep 17, 11:40 AM
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    Thanks, is there a letter template anywhere?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 20th Sep 17, 11:48 AM
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    Thanks, is there a letter template anywhere?
    Originally posted by Peter James Foster
    You don't seem to have read exactly what I said regarding the letter you copied and pasted.

    While that style of response will be the type to use
    The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2 (scroll right down the post to find) is a section which provides example LBC responses. Do some digging around there.

    We won't provide links on demand - first, it doesn't help you learn to navigate around the forum, which is essential if you are to fully understand what you're dealing with, and second, we would have to spend our time finding the links just to save you the task of doing so.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 20th Sep 17, 11:50 AM
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    Thanks, is there a letter template anywhere?
    Originally posted by Peter James Foster
    At this point you do not need a template

    Simple letter

    Dear Sirs,

    Reference your letter dated xxxx regarding your ref number

    As registered keeper of the vehicle, I deny there is any debt
    owed to UKCPS.

    Please therefore provide me with proof of your claim
    and documents you will rely upon in court
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 20th Sep 17, 1:36 PM
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    Mr Foster, the last sentence in post#9 should read
    "I guess they need to have visuals of the driver getting in the car?"

    Edit that post now!
    .
    • Peter James Foster
    • By Peter James Foster 20th Sep 17, 1:39 PM
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    Thank you all for your comments

    I have been looking on the internet for a few days and you all have helped me more than i expected.

    I don't expect you to do anything for me or provide anything at all.

    Just needed a little advice.

    Thanks again
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Sep 17, 11:30 PM
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    Thanks, is there a letter template anywhere?
    Originally posted by Peter James Foster
    You have a template and all you needed to do was change the PPC's name and remove the irrelevant stuff. We are here to help, come back if you get a claim because we win over 99% of fully-assisted/coached by this forum, defended cases.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • froster2017
    • By froster2017 2nd Oct 17, 10:54 AM
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    HI all,

    So i sent the letter denying any dept owned and requested they send me any evidence.

    I received a letter back but it has not referenced my original letter or provided any evidence as i requested.

    The amount they say i owe them has gone down from £150 to £100 for some reason and they've given me another 14 days to reply.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 2nd Oct 17, 11:46 AM
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    Nothing, no steps needed as you will know from reading all other IPC or UKCPS threads.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 2nd Oct 17, 11:49 AM
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    Send it again. I won against Orange with the Ombudsman after they ignored six letters. It amounts to unreasonable behaviour imo.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 2nd Oct 17, 12:36 PM
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    HI all,

    So i sent the letter denying any dept owned and requested they send me any evidence.

    I received a letter back but it has not referenced my original letter or provided any evidence as i requested.

    The amount they say i owe them has gone down from £150 to £100 for some reason and they've given me another 14 days to reply.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Originally posted by froster2017
    So they refuse to provide evidence and still want you to pay.

    PAY FOR WHAT ???? ... THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU

    A court judge would not be impressed by that. But hey,
    if they are to proceed as from 1st Oct, they must now enter
    into a conversation with you and prove to a court that they
    have attempted all means to resolve this.
    Offering discounts does not do this.

    Chances now are very high that they will not continue.
    If they do, come back here
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • froster2017
    • By froster2017 2nd Oct 17, 12:51 PM
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    Coupon-mad - thanks for getting back to me so fast. I have gone though pages of threads on here but i can't find anything on if they don't reference my letter or reduce the charge.
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