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    • ManAtHome
    • By ManAtHome 15th Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    Ryanair cancelling up to 50 flights a day
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    • 15th Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    Ryanair cancelling up to 50 flights a day 15th Sep 17 at 9:15 PM
    MoneySavingExpert Insert October 2017:

    You might also like to read our Ryanair wrongly denies passenger compensation for cancelled flight news story

    Back to ManAtHome's original forum post...

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    Just seen this on NewsNow

    Ryanair is to cancel up to 50 flights a day for the next six weeks.
    The carrier says the cancellations up to the end of October are because of a backlog in the annual leave of staff.
    More details http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/--806174.html

    and https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-flight-cancellations-what-you-need-to-know-1.3222837
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 13-10-2017 at 1:23 PM.
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    • Dangerous78
    • By Dangerous78 15th Sep 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 15th Sep 17, 10:18 PM
    'Effin ridiculous!!! I've vowed never to use Ryanair in the past, mainly because they have so much bad press but also because their CEO is a prize %*#@... I did however succumb recently and it was ok but my flight was loaded up with so many extras it turned into a false economy.

    I'm flying to London next Monday, as usual for work, only this time I've decided to take the family with me. £119 for for of us to Stansted, nice! Booked weeks ago, only to be told 4 days before flying that our flight has been cancelled. They've offered to rebook or refund but they've told us so late that we've had to pay £200 more for a replacement flight.

    It's no bloody good giving me my money back when I'm a further £200 out of pocket thanks to them. Wouldn't mind if there was a geniune reason. I look after 600 staff and we control our holidays across the fulle year, we know everyone's entitlement and competently, we plan accordingly. What rights do I have? Presumably none. Let's start a petition for these bunch of muppets. Let's seek punitive action for quite frankly treating their customers like dogs and assuming it's just ok to do this type of thing. Thank goodness for brexit. With any luck, the one good thing that has come out of that @&*#'s mouth is their threat to stop flying to Europe. Good, no loss there.
    • korky69
    • By korky69 16th Sep 17, 5:47 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 5:47 AM
    it appears they are already claiming it's out of their control reading their twitter page so will be trying to issue refunds or re-booking only which suits them, be nice if a legal eagle on here can offer some advice on those who have already paid for hotels, transfers, parking, car hire if they are 100% liable for those losses if refunds aren't available from the others.
    it is their own fault for not planning their own staffs leave correctly, it's like me asking for a refund because i now have to work, would i get a refund off ryanair? no!
    they should at least inform us of every affected flight now to give us time to limit the damage instead of a few days notice.
    this could be one of the worst stunts they've ever pulled off and will be ideal if they're liable for compensation,which would cost them a fortune, though i feel it'll be written in their t&c somewhere they can do this
    • budgetflyer
    • By budgetflyer 16th Sep 17, 7:00 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 7:00 AM
    EU law says they are obliged to reroute you.It doesn't have to be on Ryanair,however they will try to steer you that way.
    • SaveTheEuro
    • By SaveTheEuro 16th Sep 17, 8:27 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 8:27 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 8:27 AM
    This is an excellent solution to their punctuality problem. If you don't fly a plane it can't be late.
    • photome
    • By photome 16th Sep 17, 8:48 AM
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    This is an excellent solution to their punctuality problem. If you don't fly a plane it can't be late.
    Originally posted by SaveTheEuro
    I thought their punctuality was pretty good or has that changed
    • richardw
    • By richardw 16th Sep 17, 9:34 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 9:34 AM
    They can't fill the planes, it's money saving.
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 16th Sep 17, 9:37 AM
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    They can't fill the planes, it's money saving.
    Originally posted by richardw
    My thoughts exactly, nothing to do with 'staff holidays'

    Well, lets hope all those airports they have cancelled flights to take this fiasco in to account when allocating slots next year.
    Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear
    • SaveTheEuro
    • By SaveTheEuro 16th Sep 17, 9:43 AM
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    • 16th Sep 17, 9:43 AM
    I thought their punctuality was pretty good or has that changed
    Originally posted by photome

    Ryanair’s on-time performance has declined from 90% to under 80% over the past two weeks.
    • henry24
    • By henry24 16th Sep 17, 11:47 AM
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    It wouldn't be so bad if they would say which flights are cancelled now instead of leaving to a couple of days before, we're flying with them in 2 weeks do we wait and see or cancel now and book elsewhere
    • ScarletMarble
    • By ScarletMarble 16th Sep 17, 12:25 PM
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    Those who are abroad and their return flight has been cancelled have the inconvenience of changing accommodation as I doubt the hotel, rented villa etc will allow them to stay longer than their original booked dates as someone is using the room and villa - unless the new party are flying with RA and their flights are cancelled.

    My work has staffing issues for some weeks through annual leave, maternity leave and long term sickness. Did we need to close? No.

    I think with flying, there is a minimum passengers:flight crew ratio for safety reasons.

    It's very poor to let passengers that their flight has been cancelled the day before the flight.
    • stevie11
    • By stevie11 16th Sep 17, 12:36 PM
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    It wouldn't be so bad if they would say which flights are cancelled now instead of leaving to a couple of days before, we're flying with them in 2 weeks do we wait and see or cancel now and book elsewhere
    Originally posted by henry24
    Spot on. If they give sufficient notice people can make other plans but there are reports stating Pax are only notified hours before in some cases.

    I have a positioning flight in a couple of weeks (Man-Dub) and can't afford for the flight to be cancelled so have quickly booked a cheap air lingus flight just in case, which I will probably take even if my Ryanair booking isn't cancelled.

    Is the reason given a smokescreen and are Ryanair just cancelling less profitable routes so leaving it late to cancel to see how busy the payload is?
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 16th Sep 17, 1:15 PM
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    'Effin ridiculous!!! I've vowed never to use Ryanair in the past, mainly because they have so much bad press but also because their CEO is a prize %*#@... I did however succumb recently and it was ok but my flight was loaded up with so many extras it turned into a false economy.

    I'm flying to London next Monday, as usual for work, only this time I've decided to take the family with me. £119 for for of us to Stansted, nice! Booked weeks ago, only to be told 4 days before flying that our flight has been cancelled. They've offered to rebook or refund but they've told us so late that we've had to pay £200 more for a replacement flight.

    It's no bloody good giving me my money back when I'm a further £200 out of pocket thanks to them. Wouldn't mind if there was a geniune reason. I look after 600 staff and we control our holidays across the fulle year, we know everyone's entitlement and competently, we plan accordingly. What rights do I have? Presumably none. Let's start a petition for these bunch of muppets. Let's seek punitive action for quite frankly treating their customers like dogs and assuming it's just ok to do this type of thing. Thank goodness for brexit. With any luck, the one good thing that has come out of that @&*#'s mouth is their threat to stop flying to Europe. Good, no loss there.
    Originally posted by Dangerous78
    So you vowed never to use Ryanair, but you did recently and found them to be poor value (because you're unable to add together the various components of their pricing structure?). So you booked to use them again next week. Okey dokey!

    If Ryanair stop certain routes due to Brexit, they will be to and from the UK, they will still operate their hundreds of other flights across the rest of Europe. The only people that will suffer as a result of that would be UK consumers, especially those outside of London. That would be a huge loss for both holiday makers and business people.

    This latest situation with Ryanair is unacceptable, they shouldn't be leaving passengers waiting to find out whether their travel plans are being disrupted. But it still amazes me how many people vow never to use them but do so repeatedly. I guess Mr O'Leary knows that, whatever he says or does, he can still fill planes with both willing passengers, and those that claim they will never fly with them.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 16th Sep 17, 1:22 PM
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    I suspect the sharp fallout from this is going to cause them to change their minds pretty quickly - a lot of negative publicity.

    That doesn't normally bother them, but this time it's causing people to view these shysters with even deeper suspicion than usual and book with someone else.

    What's the point of saving £50 on a flight if you have to spend £500 to get back? And despite the very clear law on this, Ryanair have a track record of simply refusing to comply.
    • gazapc
    • By gazapc 16th Sep 17, 1:56 PM
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    Flying back from Bologna tomorrow with them. No news yet but that is almost worse! They are refusing to issue a full list of flights following various requests from people on twitter.
    • eDicky
    • By eDicky 16th Sep 17, 3:34 PM
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41291483
    • korky69
    • By korky69 16th Sep 17, 3:55 PM
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    not sure of the various laws and of the change from country to country but surely a threat from whoever controls the UK side of it, government etc. should step in now and threaten to remove its rights/license to fly in our airspace at all whilst it puts its residents in limbo, even danger for some.
    i've flown ryanair many many times with only major 1 issue so usually no complaints,
    but this is taking the pee, so if you do manage to fly out ok you don't know for certain if they'll honour the return leg?
    this is a scandalous attitude and needs looking at asap
    • Ganga
    • By Ganga 16th Sep 17, 4:49 PM
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    not sure of the various laws and of the change from country to country but surely a threat from whoever controls the UK side of it, government etc. should step in now and threaten to remove its rights/license to fly in our airspace at all whilst it puts its residents in limbo, even danger for some.
    i've flown ryanair many many times with only major 1 issue so usually no complaints,
    but this is taking the pee, so if you do manage to fly out ok you don't know for certain if they'll honour the return leg?
    this is a scandalous attitude and needs looking at asap
    Originally posted by korky69
    Where does the danger come from?
    ITS NOT EASY TO GET EVERYTHING WRONG ,I HAVE TO WORK HARD TO DO IT!
    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 16th Sep 17, 4:58 PM
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    I suspect the sharp fallout from this is going to cause them to change their minds pretty quickly - a lot of negative publicity.
    Originally posted by Doc N
    You genuinely think this bothers them ? 100m+ passengers per year use their flying buses - a lot are people who've grown up knowing no different and are happy to be able to fly/explore whilst taking a risk that things might change (and treating this as part of the adventure/gamble)

    As usual there'll be some posturing and a political message behind this - either aimed at governments, unions or airports but the reality is people forget previous issues when the price/convenience factors show themselves when booking a flight.

    If you think this is bad wait till he (and EZY etc) start their Brexit positioning in the coming weeks
    • zagfles
    • By zagfles 16th Sep 17, 5:11 PM
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    If it was April I'd be convinced this was an April Fool! They are cancelling flights to improve punctuality targets and because they've screwed up staff leave?? Seriously??

    This isn't like anything Ryanair have done. They have a reputation for finding extra ways to charge customers, but as long as you understand the rules you'll get a cheap, efficent and usually on time flight. Nothing they've ever done has put me off flying with them but this has. Being stranded somewhere and being told the next flight is in 3 days....or having a short break ruined because they say the next flight out is the day you planned to return...

    I think this fiasco will cost them far far more than an 80% punctuality record and paying overtime/supply staff.
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