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    • Q*bert
    • By Q*bert 14th Sep 17, 9:27 PM
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    Can I be forced to upload CV to Universal Jobmatch
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    • 14th Sep 17, 9:27 PM
    Can I be forced to upload CV to Universal Jobmatch 14th Sep 17 at 9:27 PM
    Signed up for JSA today and the advisor is expecting to see my CV uploaded onto the Universal Jobmatch.

    Is there a legal requirement for me to do this. My CV was uploaded to some other job sites and since then I've received a number of sales calls.

    I know I could use the TPS but I'm not wanting my private details available to whoever..!
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    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 15th Sep 17, 9:14 PM
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    Yeah and you also probably didn't come across as a dole dodger / unemployed loophole specialist. That makes all the difference.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    Well yes, but my point is that smiling and being pleasant and generally willing (although I stuck my heels in about access to my account, and kept detailed notes in their little book instead) was part of the presentation that convinced them that I wasn't trying to take the state for all I could get.
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    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 15th Sep 17, 10:10 PM
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    The advisers will also lie to You by saying hardly anyone refuses to give them access to your account. My understanding is that around 30 per cent of claimants dont allow access.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 16th Sep 17, 3:00 AM
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    The advisers will also lie to You by saying hardly anyone refuses to give them access to your account. My understanding is that around 30 per cent of claimants dont allow access.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    That's interesting

    Where did you get the 30% figure from?
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 16th Sep 17, 8:44 AM
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    Depends if you want any hassle from them or do you want no hassle and find a job ? If you dont want hassle then follow the advice posted and get a payg sim just for your cv.
    Can people stop loaning money/being a guarator to family/friends, it rarely ends well and you lose out as your money is gone or you get shafted with being a guarantor.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 16th Sep 17, 9:43 AM
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    Again. Only a job that is actually applied for will cause the employer to see personal details.

    Some people are treated terribly by the DWP. Im afraid going in with a smile doesn't stop that happening for a lot of people
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 16th Sep 17, 4:11 PM
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    I am conscious that the original question is being derailed.

    The question was 'do I have to upload my CV to UJM'. My understanding is that the answer to this is YES. You have a responsibility to apply for jobs and bring your CV to the attention of as many prospective employers as possible. The DWP [mistakenly] believe that UJM is the best way to bring that CV in front of recruiters. Hence they have every reason to insist you upload.

    The question of giving them access to your account is a totally separate one. We all know you DON'T have to do this, and that it is inadvisable.
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    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 16th Sep 17, 5:17 PM
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    I am conscious that the original question is being derailed.

    The question was 'do I have to upload my CV to UJM'. My understanding is that the answer to this is YES. You have a responsibility to apply for jobs and bring your CV to the attention of as many prospective employers as possible. The DWP [mistakenly] believe that UJM is the best way to bring that CV in front of recruiters. Hence they have every reason to insist you upload.

    The question of giving them access to your account is a totally separate one. We all know you DON'T have to do this, and that it is inadvisable.
    Originally posted by jobbingmusician
    Spot on, so in a nutshell upload it and then deny them access. You wont get many calls if any at all from employers seeing your CV on UJM as there are better job websites out there.
    • patman99
    • By patman99 16th Sep 17, 7:32 PM
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    UJM allows you to upload 5 CVs, so you have scope to do what a lot of people do.

    They have 1 CV for well paid jobs that require a high quality, professional CV and another full of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors for those nmw jobs that the Job Centre force you to apply for.
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    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 16th Sep 17, 11:25 PM
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    UJM allows you to upload 5 CVs, so you have scope to do what a lot of people do.

    They have 1 CV for well paid jobs that require a high quality, professional CV and another full of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors for those nmw jobs that the Job Centre force you to apply for.
    Originally posted by patman99
    Yes but your workcoach will see the badly written CV because you allowed them access to your account. They will take it as you are not trying to look for work and bingo a likely sanction to follow. Just dont give them access it's a no brainer.
    • Samsung_Note2
    • By Samsung_Note2 17th Sep 17, 8:57 AM
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    One thing to remeber with Universal Jobmatch,dont be silly and apply for jobs 100"s of miles away just to say you have applied for this that and the other.

    I regularly use it to advertise for security guards/officers and the amount of timer wasters with out a license or live 100 miles away is a joke.

    Do these people assume they wont get reported...or a formal interview offered (pretty sure if offered your meant to attend...anyone confirm that..?)

    Glad to say it does work though when used properly...just started a lad who had his license paid for by Job Centre and applied via Universal Jobmatch,cracking lad and a pleasure to have onboard.
    • indianabones
    • By indianabones 17th Sep 17, 10:11 AM
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    Upload the CV if they request it, I think deep down even you know that really there's not much choice. But make sure you leave out personal details except for perhaps an email address so people can contact you.


    What usually happens is recruiters when searching for people type in key words such as product manager in Newcastle. That will return for them a few matches and they'll start contacting them. They will treat you as a shoe in, but the reality is they have about 15 people lined up and only need 1.


    So that in turn also means you need a fair few recruiters contacting you and putting you forward to stand a realistic chance.


    Most people have mixed reviews about finding work via job boards. You usually do get put forward for 1 in 3, and perhaps 1 in 2 of those go to a telephone interview stage.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 17th Sep 17, 11:38 AM
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    Even if the CV is public an employer only seens your personal details if you apply for a job.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 17th Sep 17, 11:48 AM
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    Recruiters may see your CV through other job boards but they don't see your personal details through UJM. Its clearly explained on the website itself. Yes if you are offered an interview you are meant to attend but the fact that you have an interview is only disclosed to your work coach if you choose to tell them.

    It was said very early on in the thread that even though the CV is public an employer wouldn't see personal details on the CV unless they applied for a job.

    Being put forward for one in three jobs you apply for on a jobsite?

    Do you know how many people are chasing every advertised vacancy?

    I was offered a part time job last year. 92 people applied. Thats quite low. In some jobs where I live there's 300 applicants to every vacancy listed.



    As for comments like
    • annandale
    • By annandale 17th Sep 17, 11:52 AM
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    Sorry, phone posted before I had finished typing. As for posts like getting put forward for one in three vacancies listed, that's certainly not my experience of job boards. I've been contacted by one recruiter in six months.

    You contact employers on ujm. Its not the other way round.
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