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    • Paradigm
    • By Paradigm 14th Sep 17, 6:33 PM
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    Not your usual Hospital parking question...
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    • 14th Sep 17, 6:33 PM
    Not your usual Hospital parking question... 14th Sep 17 at 6:33 PM
    The company I work for has won the contract to install heating/ventilation equipment in a large Hospital complex, the parking is controlled by ANPR.


    The works will be ongoing for 3-4 weeks & the fitters have been told (by the hospital management) that unless they pay the daily parking fee they will receive a "ticket" as soon as they overstay 30mins. This they are doing & are being reimbursed by my company which in turn is being added to the cost of the job paid by the hospital/health authority


    I've suggested to my company that they contact the hospital & get the relevant Reg numbers of the fitters vehicles excluded from parking charges... they're not parking, they're working & have been told that the hospital can't do anything?????


    Surely this is nonsense as the hospital employs the PPC & can decide when charges can be waived?


    What is annoying me so much is that the PPC is making 6 lots of daily parking fees which are eventually coming out of the taxpayers pocket, it's not a vast amount of money but even so....


    This has to be bullsh*t?


    EDIT: I've just read through this & it looks ridiculous but I can assure you it's absolutely true!
    Last edited by Paradigm; 14-09-2017 at 6:36 PM.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Sep 17, 6:37 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 6:37 PM
    They're not parking, they're working????

    So the parked vehicles are cranes???


    Come off it
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 14th Sep 17, 6:37 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 6:37 PM
    Drs pay, nurses pay, patients pay ... why not random blokes?
    • TW1234
    • By TW1234 14th Sep 17, 6:57 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 6:57 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 6:57 PM
    Drs pay, nurses pay, patients pay ... why not random blokes?
    Originally posted by PasturesNew
    Fair comment, but why the hosptal trust's contract department ever agreed to a building contract price that is set to make the hospital provide parking for the builders workmen and pay daily parking claim charges is another question.
    But it does go to the heart of the NHS problems of inefficiency and financial budget controls.
    • daveyjp
    • By daveyjp 14th Sep 17, 7:01 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 7:01 PM
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/excel-parking-services-v-drain-trace-ltd.html
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 14th Sep 17, 8:05 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 8:05 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 8:05 PM
    if ever there was a need to complain then this mast be a candidate

    try your MP

    this is a copy of a post by Bargepole ....

    "Some action at last:

    http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/parkingcodeofpractice.html

    This Private Member's Bill has Government and cross-party support, and stands a good chance of making it into statute.

    The full text of the clauses will be published nearer the date of the second reading, but my sources tell me it's something we should support.

    Now would be a good time to write to your MP urging them to support it."

    let here know that there have been many complaints about this car park scam

    he/ she may well help intervene

    good luck

    Ralph
    • Paradigm
    • By Paradigm 14th Sep 17, 9:08 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 9:08 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 9:08 PM
    They're not parking, they're working????

    So the parked vehicles are cranes???


    Come off it
    Originally posted by Quentin

    They're not using recognised parking places as the nearest car park is too far away for them to access their vans for tools etc. Their vans are in an area not accessible to the public. I wonder if the Police investigating an incident have to pay for "parking" if they stay for longer than 30 mins?

    Drs pay, nurses pay, patients pay ... why not random blokes?
    Originally posted by PasturesNew

    So, Drs & Nurses paying to work makes it ok then? That is an absolute disgrace!
    They're not "random blokes" they are engineers commissioned by the Hospital to provide a service.
    Further, the end result is that the PPC is being paid by the taxpayer! The Hospital is adding the cost of parking charges to the bill for the works....


    To me it's well out of order.
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 14th Sep 17, 10:16 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 10:16 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 10:16 PM
    Further, the end result is that the PPC is being paid by the taxpayer! The Hospital is adding the cost of parking charges to the bill for the works....

    in most cases the landowner gets the money paid for parking , the PPC get there money by issuing %^&*%$ , as there only income , (in most cases)
    • Johnersh
    • By Johnersh 14th Sep 17, 11:05 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 11:05 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 11:05 PM
    A bad bargain is still a valid contract. If the NHS were silly enough to agree to contract terms that allow no exceptions (and that's quite possible) you'll need to buy tickets like everyone else.

    Drain trace is helpful, but not binding and, in this case, the parking costs are being charged back to the NHS so there is no reason not to buy tickets in any event.

    Parking charges aren't the issue: it is highly likely that the hospital itself is paying 20% interest under a private finance initiative (PFI) to fund the works. That's far more problematic/costly!
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 15th Sep 17, 7:43 AM
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    Further, the end result is that the PPC is being paid by the taxpayer! The Hospital is adding the cost of parking charges to the bill for the works....

    in most cases the landowner gets the money paid for parking , the PPC get there money by issuing %^&*%$ , as there only income , (in most cases)
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    Absolutely the point. More public money disappearing into private coffers for no good reason.

    I don't know what happens to politicians who form laws ( Take the current farce about Overseas Aid budget not eligible for aid to our overseas territories after IRMA ) or to senior public service managers but they seem to have lost all touch with common sense and reality.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 15th Sep 17, 7:53 AM
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    although it's at the other end of essential hospital vehicles, do non nhs ambulances ie st johns have to pay to park up/overstay drop offs at A+E?
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    • Johnersh
    • By Johnersh 15th Sep 17, 8:54 AM
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    Exemptions for marked emergency vehicles are usually standard in this type of contract AFAIK.
    • Ivor Pecheque
    • By Ivor Pecheque 15th Sep 17, 9:32 AM
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    Can't you just add the costs on your bill ?
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    • nigelbb
    • By nigelbb 15th Sep 17, 9:37 AM
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    Which hospital? Which PPC?

    Most deals with PPCs involve the landowner keeping the normal fees for parking & the PPC making their money from issuing 'fines' for violations of the rules. If this is the case at this hospital then it's fiscally neutral as neither the contractor nor the hospital is out of pocket as money added onto the contract for the parking fees is balanced by hospital receiving those same parking fees from the contractor.
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