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    • CYPER
    • By CYPER 14th Sep 17, 2:29 PM
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    Collision: Whose fault is it?
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    • 14th Sep 17, 2:29 PM
    Collision: Whose fault is it? 14th Sep 17 at 2:29 PM
    Car with dascam in the rightmost lane. Van on the left of the car.
    Van cuts car off

    https://youtu.be/DfvMfe9LVGI

    On the same note will this just polish off? The tyre of the van hit the bumper. It mostly looks like rubber resedue?

    Last edited by CYPER; 14-09-2017 at 2:37 PM.
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Sep 17, 4:21 PM
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    Car with dascam in the rightmost lane. Van on the left of the car.
    Van cuts car off

    https://youtu.be/DfvMfe9LVGI

    On the same note will this just polish off? The tyre of the van hit the bumper. It mostly looks like rubber resedue?

    Originally posted by CYPER
    I would say that it's a 50/50 at best, car driver at worst. If the dash cam picked up the van then why didn't the car driver do so and if he did he would have easily anticipated what was about to happen, instead he just turned into the van. Clearly not paying attention imho.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Sep 17, 4:24 PM
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    I would say it's the van drivers fault.
    It looks like he was going to exit left at the 14 second mark then at the last moment realised he didn't want to but in fact wanted the next left and then swerved a bit to the right and into the lane you were in.
    Originally posted by George Michael
    I disagree, the van drivers right hand indicator was on throughout, I didn't see him swerve, I saw the car driver turn into him.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Sep 17, 4:25 PM
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    Van 100% he moved lanes
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    Did he, that's not what I saw.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Sep 17, 4:27 PM
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    van indicating right on left lane at round about, Surely he had just left his indicator on rather than intentionally doing that
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    Not necessarily. Would be nice to know where this roundabout is, I know of a couple in my area where you can turn right from the left hand lane. Irrelevent though as his intentions were clear for all to see from the outset.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Sep 17, 4:32 PM
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    You're right, the car veered across into a lane that was already and very visibly occupied. Simple.
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck
    I see what you did there (almost caught me out)
    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 14th Sep 17, 4:47 PM
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    If you keep an eye on the double yellows on the inside of the roundabout, the car seems to stop following the line and veers off into the rear of the van. Also seems like the van had got ahead of the car and the car is accelerating up behind the van when it hits. Poor driving by both and will go 50/50 for insurance purposes.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 14th Sep 17, 4:48 PM
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    OP you're aware your car registration is showing in the video?

    Tbh its a tough call, but everything in the video looks like the car was indicating & intending to come off the roundabout at the 3rd exit, didn't check the lane to the left of them was clear and started to move over assuming it would be.

    I'd say 5050. Van driver should have been in the right lane, car should have moved over to the left lane (easing off accelerator to drop behind the van if necessary) after passing the coned exit instead of trying to exit from the right lane onto a single lane exit.

    Although the van driver gave a further display of their awesome driving knowledge by stopping where he did to exchange details - where theres a double solid white line in the centre of the road which is probably there due to it being dangerous to overtake on such a bend.
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    • CYPER
    • By CYPER 14th Sep 17, 5:23 PM
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    Here is the roundabout: https://goo.gl/maps/8pdySQknjtq
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 14th Sep 17, 5:38 PM
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    He's in the wrong lane but the van is clearly indicating before both he and the car join the roundabout.

    This was easily avoidable by the car driver.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 14th Sep 17, 6:09 PM
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    The van driver looks as if they are doing the classic cut around the corner instead of staying on the outside (left) as much as possible.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 14th Sep 17, 6:10 PM
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    Personally, I'd put it as 50/50.

    It does appear that the van moved over to the right just before the impact but as Nobbie stated earlier, if you use the lines on the inside of the roundabout as a reference, the car does move over to the left.

    Looking at the photo of the bumper. A bit of WD40 to get the rubber/plastic off then a good going over with polish should hopefully get it looking good again.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 14th Sep 17, 6:14 PM
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    Car with dascam in the rightmost lane. Van on the left of the car.
    Van cuts car off

    https://youtu.be/DfvMfe9LVGI

    On the same note will this just polish off? The tyre of the van hit the bumper. It mostly looks like rubber resedue?

    Originally posted by CYPER
    OP, to me it looks like you are in the wrong, in effect you are too close to the van whilst in motion, can you upload a close up of the damage? As on a positive note it looks like it can be machine polished out.
    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 14th Sep 17, 6:20 PM
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    Its a case weere both at fault. However car should really have realised that the van had to miss their turn off and would not be vacating the space the car drove into.
    • Tom99
    • By Tom99 14th Sep 17, 7:34 PM
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    Car - they could have avoided the accident
    • Hermione Granger
    • By Hermione Granger 14th Sep 17, 7:38 PM
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    Car - they could have avoided the accident
    Originally posted by Tom99
    Surely the van driver could have avoided it as well by keeping more to the left.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 14th Sep 17, 7:54 PM
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    Surely the van driver could have avoided it as well by keeping more to the left.
    Originally posted by Hermione Granger
    Sort of yes, but the car was just to close to the rear not leaving much room for any oddities, and the driver of the car has the advantage of the better view ahead.
    If it was a MK7 Golf, the too close indicator would have been on for the duration of the video (perhaps may have even brought the vehicle to a stop avoiding the collision).
    • Apodemus
    • By Apodemus 14th Sep 17, 8:04 PM
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    No idea who's fault, but I liked the nice, chilled music he's playing in the car!
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 14th Sep 17, 8:26 PM
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    Van driver goes right from the left lane, it's as simple as that. The signage and road markings are perfectly clear, if he didn't know where he was going he should have been paying extra attention.

    Me? I'd have been leaning on the horn and backing off as soon as he got past 12'oclock.
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    • Marktheshark
    • By Marktheshark 14th Sep 17, 8:34 PM
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    You certainly were not paying attention.
    That wont help.
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    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 14th Sep 17, 8:36 PM
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    Van driver goes right from the left lane, it's as simple as that. The signage and road markings are perfectly clear, if he didn't know where he was going he should have been paying extra attention.

    Me? I'd have been leaning on the horn and backing off as soon as he got past 12'oclock.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    So committing an offence then?
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