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Getting a National Insurance Number under 16
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sundin13
Old 08-10-2007, 11:18 PM
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DS1 is looking for a Christmas job, and some of the shops have told him/me that they will employ 15yr olds so long as they have a National Insurance number. Is there any way we can speed up the process or is it just a matter of wait,:confused: and it'll show up just before his 16th?

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Old 09-10-2007, 10:08 AM
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He will automatically receive it just before his 16th birthday. Unfortunately you can't speed up the process.
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A National Insurance number would be no good to him aged under 16 as he is not liable to NIC at that age. The employer is putting unreasonable barriers up.
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Old 11-10-2007, 1:28 PM
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I'm not so sure ... if you DON'T have a NI no. then an employer has to get one for you, so maybe they are asking for one before you start to avoid that hassle. Not disputing that you're NOT liable to pay NICs before you're 16, however!
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I dispute the fact that the employer has to have an NINO. All they need to do is to have proof that you are allowed to work in the UK and there are other ways of proving this.
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Old 11-10-2007, 5:40 PM
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You become liable for NI from the 6th April prior to your 16th birthday
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Well, I can't in a quick trawl of the HMRC site find a link which says what an employer should do if an employee has no NINO, BUT I did find this which says

"Before you do any work - employed or self-employed - you must have a National Insurance number."

And it goes on to explain how to obtain one: I would have thought it was worth the OP (or her son) phoning to ask if he could get one sooner, and whether an employer HAD to ask for one. It's aimed at students, which sounds relevant to me.


Because another thing to make clear is that a NINO does NOT confirm that you have the right to work in the UK! So why an employer would insist on that and not ALSO insist on proof that you are allowed to work in the UK is a mystery to me!


And I'm only saying that sometimes employers like things simple: they know what to do with a P45, and not what to do with a P46. They don't know what to do if the employee doesn't have a NINO, so they try to avoid that situation. Whether that's an 'unreasonable' barrier is not for me to say! Maybe employers don't really want 15 year olds!
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As no state benefit claim is involved, JCP are not responsible for tracing/issuing a NINO in this case.
Responsibility rests with HMRC and the contact details are here-
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/helplines/ni-registrations.htm
Liability to pay NIC only starts on the 16th birthday and not before, and at present ends at age 60(women)/65 (men).
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As said above, all children have a NINO. I know this from when I worked in DLA. The employer has no need to ask for the NINO as 15 years olds do not pay contributions.
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Old 14-10-2007, 10:04 PM
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Thanks for all your help everyone.....I'll take him along to the JCP over the half term to see what they say.

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Old 14-10-2007, 10:48 PM
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Hi
My 14 year old sister has been working weekends at a shoe store, she doesnt have a NI number. :confused: .. Pop into your local CAB and ask them?
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Old 14-10-2007, 11:26 PM
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Sundin13
Please re read my post #9.
You don't need to go to JCP - its nothing to do with them. You need to contact HMRC.
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Sorry Stazi...brain not functioning correctly! I will give that helpline number a ring later on today. Thanks so much

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Children do have National Insurance numbers (for DLA purposes they are used) but are not issued until 3 months before the 16th birthday as far as I am aware.

I don't think Inland Revenue will issue the number early for a part time job where there is no National Insurance payable. I think the employer is following the rules of checking for a national insurance number to prevent an illegal worker getting a job and missing the fact that your child is 15.
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I think the employer is following the rules of checking for a national insurance number to prevent an illegal worker getting a job and missing the fact that your child is 15.
Except that, AFAIK, a NINO does NOT confirm your right to work in the UK. :confused:

It may simply be because they do not wish to employ youngsters more than 3 months before their 16th birthday.
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Old 16-10-2007, 11:17 PM
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Have a look on the DTI website for specific rules on employing "young people"

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/YoungPeo...work/DG_066272

There are legal limits to what you can work.

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