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    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 12th Sep 17, 1:09 PM
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    welding course
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    welding course 12th Sep 17 at 1:09 PM
    has anyone done any welding course here?

    I am looking for something but keep seeing college courses which are few weeks long and I can't attend ,.


    I have a full time job and want to learn welding and fabrication to feed my car engine change ....

    any feedback weldome

    is there such a course as 3 day intense or something like that ?
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    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 12th Sep 17, 1:36 PM
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    I did one as an evening class at the local college. Just one night a week so it dragged on a bit.

    It's worth doing as it is easy to pick up bad habits if you teach yourself. You will also get a chance to use several different types of welding equipment. The one I did welcomed people bringing their own projects along to work on.
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    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 12th Sep 17, 2:09 PM
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    Where is this and how much did you pay

    I am in london and can't find any places close to me
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    • By Gloomendoom 12th Sep 17, 3:34 PM
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    Where is this and how much did you pay

    I am in london and can't find any places close to me
    Originally posted by drifter17a
    Newbury College circa 1982.

    They are still running the courses though...

    https://www.newbury-college.ac.uk/courses/construction-and-building-technology/540-leisure-course/5585-welding-for-beginners.html
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    • tori.k
    • By tori.k 12th Sep 17, 10:11 PM
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    Husband and son did a course in February on Saturday's over 6weeks at a local college, son already does a bit of welding with his work but said he really gained some usefulness from the course cost around £400.
    • Nile
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    Husband and son did a course in February on Saturday's over 6weeks at a local college, son already does a bit of welding with his work but said he really gained some usefulness from the course cost around £400.
    Originally posted by tori.k

    I paid £400 too, for a 10 week evening course (about 2 hours per week) at a college in Bristol. Good value I thought, at least I now know how to recognise when my welds are bad (which is most of the time). I found welding for the first time physically tiring, so I needed the time between lessons to recover. Some courses include an entry-level City & Guilds certification.
    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 14th Sep 17, 9:54 PM
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    Called few local college ranging from 300 to 600 so waiting to be enrolled

    One question I have and did google with no avail is:
    Why does the parent metal melts and get destroyed as soon as the rod touches it?

    I think it is because the amp is too high for that metal. In that case how do i know what amp i should use for each metal?

    What rod , i have no clue as to what 2.5mm, 4mm and else is
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 15th Sep 17, 9:13 AM
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    I did one back in about 1993 with my dad and a bloke from over the road. About six weeks of Saturdays, and it cost us about 60quid each. Inflation.
    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 15th Sep 17, 10:54 AM
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    house price that is 500k today was 50k then

    was 60 too much at the time ?
    • agentk
    • By agentk 15th Sep 17, 11:43 AM
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    Called few local college ranging from 300 to 600 so waiting to be enrolled

    One question I have and did google with no avail is:
    Why does the parent metal melts and get destroyed as soon as the rod touches it?

    I think it is because the amp is too high for that metal. In that case how do i know what amp i should use for each metal?

    What rod , i have no clue as to what 2.5mm, 4mm and else is
    Originally posted by drifter17a
    No expert but the thinner the metal the lower the amps and the smaller the rod. If its thin metal like car panel thin mig welding better for it. Other wise you will just blow holes in it.Course is the way to go. Arc welding thicker metal is more forgiving. use ppe hurts like hell arc eye!
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    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 18th Sep 17, 11:24 AM
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    i welded a body panel and it melted through

    i used arc welding with lowest amp of 40 and 1.6mm 6013 rod.

    Looking around, people say I need mig welder for car and thing metal

    the mig welder has an amp rating of 30-150 so how is that different from what I have (40)?

    does mig run cooler generally ? what do proper bodyshop guys use?
    • vqmismatch
    • By vqmismatch 18th Sep 17, 12:36 PM
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    I gave up looking for courses after a while as none could fit with my other commitments and bought some 1980s tuition DVDs from ebay and taught myself. I can now get most things I want to done to a standard I am happy enough with, but the difference between my work and the coded boys who do it for a living is huge.

    MIG is an awful lot easier and more forgiving than arc welding, especially on the thin stuff (forget gasless mig). Arc can be a lot of fun and quite effective with higher currents and larger rods on thicker material, whilst it is possible to do beautiful body work with arc welding (I have seen it done but the chap was simply doing it to prove a point) for those of us who don't do it for a living it is more or less a non starter.

    If you are absolutely stuck with the arc set up a good copper heatsink (crush some copper pipe) clamped very well to the back of the workplace if you have good access may be enough to get by. The bare metal must be absolutely spotlessly well prepared, and if not welding a flat surface from above expect life to be difficult unless using specialist rods with a lot of practice. With mig by comparison you can get away with all manner of sins, even running on pub CO2.


    As my mig set up is in England I just have a small arc kit for relatively minor jobs whilst working away. Body work I have been sending to someone else to do whilst I have stuck to simple fabrication and trailer repairs.

    On my to do list is to try and use the inverter on my arc unit to make a primitive tig set up, then I would consider going for body work again. This may be an option if you have an inverter rather than transformer arc welder and a bit of money to throw at it. If on a rock bottom budget you might be better off going for a used mig (not gassless) and selling on once you complete your project.


    EDIT
    The bodyshops I have dealt with will mostly use mig with argosheild, but will have oxyacetylene and tig available for use where appropriate. Most things can however be done adequately with MIG, and a lot of lower end cobble it together places will have just MIG.
    Last edited by vqmismatch; 18-09-2017 at 12:39 PM.
    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 18th Sep 17, 4:15 PM
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    Many thanks

    I bought a clark mig with gas / gasless setup

    At the moment it is gasless with an option of converting it by buying the gas and regulator

    I didn't want to spend £300 on gas version

    The cord is 0.9 flux cotted which i understand will do the job

    How do i fill the massive hole on the panel?
    Just build weld on it or i will need a metal sheet?

    It is about two x £1 coins

    I guess the question is, can one use welding instead of metal

    For instance, i am installing hydro handbrake but the center console is bumpy, can i use weld to create a flat surface fot the hand brake by doing layers of weld on top of each other?
    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 21st Sep 17, 8:13 PM
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    Here is my practice

    I know it is very messy but what am i doing wrong?
    It is gasless using flux cord but i get no where close to shiny welds on youtube

    I have also revered the polarity and have spent all day playing with wire speee


    • agentk
    • By agentk 25th Sep 17, 10:36 AM
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    Brazing is another option blow torch and a handheld rod but another dark art The previous poster did warn you about going gasless and i agree! Second hand one!gas i mean. should be able to fill a hole just do it bit by bit cleaning off as u go.
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    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 25th Sep 17, 10:50 AM
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    I can do lines better than this but this was on 2mm panel so it would quickly melt

    I bought a gas/ gasless so all i needed was regulator and gas which i bought both to turn it into a gas mig

    With flux it was difficult and you could see all that sandy or corrotion shaped stuff on top of it as per the picture and had to constatly brush it off

    Sort of like flux with arc welding

    Are you supposed to get flux layer on mig like you do with arc ? Is it only if you use mig with fluxcore?
    • drifter17a
    • By drifter17a 25th Sep 17, 10:52 AM
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    I also figured put i was using a 0.6mm tip which i read as 0.9mm tip

    This was causing all sort of issues as the wire would suddenly not come out despite roller tension or wire speed or posotive lead keep straight( no bends to hold wire up)

    I changed it to 0.8 which is closet to 0.9mm fluxcore i had

    The roller is also on 0.8mm which seem to work fine with 0.9mm fluxcore
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