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    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 11th Sep 17, 2:29 PM
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    CEL Court Claim help needed
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    • 11th Sep 17, 2:29 PM
    CEL Court Claim help needed 11th Sep 17 at 2:29 PM
    Hi


    I have read Newsbies and followed your advise. I received Court Claim from CEL for overstaying by 14mins and its now costing me over £300. I responded within the 14 days and my defence was acknowledged. I then received mediation papers which I refused as per advise here and now going to court. Please see below defence sent to court and CEL.


    I have now received a letter from the court stating I should file papers before end of September and I am not sure what do send. Do I send this defence again or write up a new one now that I will be going to my local court?


    I have never received any photographic evidence from CEL and i'm not aware who was driving so I cannot get a witness statement. Please help


    See below:


    In the County Court Business Centre
    Between:
    Civil Enforcement Limited
    V
    XXXXXX



    Claim Number: XXXXX

    I, XXXXX, deny I am liable to the Claimant for the entirety of the claim for each of the following reasons:

    1. The Claim Form issued on the 1 Jun 2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited was not correctly filed under The Practice Direction as it was not signed by a legal person but signed by “Civil Enforcement Limited”.

    2. This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol. And as an example as to why this prevents a full defence being filed at this time, a parking charge can be for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter, and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant.

    (a) There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction.

    (b) This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing a large number of identical 'draft particulars'. The badly mail-merged documents contain very little information.

    (c) The Schedule of information is sparse of detailed information.

    (d) The Claim Form Particulars were extremely sparse and divulged no cause of action nor sufficient detail. The Defendant has no idea what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information. The Claim Form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs.

    e) The Defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as having no reasonable prospect of success as currently drafted.

    f) Alternatively, the Defendant asks that the Claimant is required to file Particulars which comply with Practice Directions and include at least the following information;

    i. Whether the matter is being brought for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge, and an explanation as to the exact nature of the charge

    ii. A copy of any contract it is alleged was in place (e.g. copies of signage)

    iii. How any contract was concluded (if by performance, then copies of signage maps in place at the time)

    iv. Whether keeper liability is being claimed, and if so copies of any Notice to Driver / Notice to Keeper

    v. Whether the Claimant is acting as Agent or Principal, together with a list of documents they will rely on in this matter

    vi. If charges over and above the initial charge are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed

    vii. If Interest charges are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed

    g) Once these Particulars have been filed, the Defendant asks for reasonable time to file another defence.

    3. The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Absent such a notice served within 14 days of the parking event and with fully compliant statutory wording, this Claimant is unable to hold me liable under the strict ‘keeper liability’ provisions.

    Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for (if Schedule 4 is fully complied with, which it was not, and if there was a 'relevant obligation' and relevant contract' fairly and adequately communicated, which there was not) is the sum on the Notice to Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when neither the signs, nor the NTK, nor the permit information mentioned a possible £323.76 for outstanding debt and damages.

    4. The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated and the particulars of claim are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 'legal representative’s (or even admin) costs' were incurred

    5. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. None of this applies in this material case.

    6. In the absence of any proof of adequate signage that contractually bound the Defendant then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case.
    a) The Claimant is put to strict proof that at the time of the alleged event they had both advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs.
    b) In the absence of strict proof I submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered into between the driver and the Claimant.
    c) Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    (i) Sporadic and illegible (charge not prominent nor large lettering) of site/entrance signage - breach of the POFA 2012 Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice and no contract formed to pay any clearly stated sum.
    (ii) Non existent ANPR 'data use' signage - breach of ICO rules and the BPA Code of Practice.
    (iii) It is believed the signage was not lit and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in requiring a huge inflated sum as 'compensation' from by an authorised party using the premises as intended.
    (iv) No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there was no offer known nor accepted. No consideration flowed from the Claimant.
    (v) The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which cannot form part of any alleged contract.
    d) BPA CoP breaches - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    (i) the signs were not compliant in terms of the font size, lighting or positioning.
    (ii) the sum pursued exceeds £100.
    (iii) there is / was no compliant landowner contract.

    7. No standing - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    It is believed Civil Enforcement do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in the name of the landowner.

    8. The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal damages.

    9. The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim.

    The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the Court to note that the Claimant has:

    (a) failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on 1 June 2017

    (b) Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation.

    The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. The court is invited to strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of success.

    I confirm that the above facts and statements are true to the best of my knowledge and recollection.

    Signed: XXXXX



    Date: June 2017
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    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 11th Sep 17, 3:41 PM
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    As the NEWBIES thread told you when you read it () "documents" include witness statements and other evidence such as photographs.

    You ALWAYS have at least one WS - the defendants. That is a statement of facts, not arguments.
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 11th Sep 17, 4:48 PM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 4:48 PM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 4:48 PM
    Do I include the Defence as well? When filing the documents with the Courts do you include a cover letter explaining what the documents are? Sorry for the many questions I don't want go there unprepared.


    I will need to go and get pictures of the parking area and my witness statements will this be enough to win?
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 24th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
    Hi


    I'm putting together my witness statement what should I include please? Do I write about not being the drive and that I was as work all that day?
    I have gone to take pictures of the parking area so just need to draft my statement and any help will be much appreciated.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 24th Sep 17, 10:39 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:39 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:39 PM
    Have you read that NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2 yet? Because that covers what you need to do at each stage of the court process.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 24th Sep 17, 10:41 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:41 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:41 PM
    In your defence statement, point 2) e) should start "The Defendant..."
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    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 24th Sep 17, 10:43 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:43 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:43 PM
    Hi


    I will look for the link again and read it through, thanks for the reply
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 24th Sep 17, 10:46 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:46 PM
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    • 24th Sep 17, 10:46 PM
    Thanks KeithP noted and corrected.
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 25th Sep 17, 10:53 AM
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    • 25th Sep 17, 10:53 AM
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    • 25th Sep 17, 10:53 AM
    Hi All,


    I am getting my Witness Statement ready, I have been going through NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2 which is very helpful. I have checked the General Form of Judgement or Order that I received and it states that the Claimant do file and serve full particulars of claim to comply with Civil Procedure Rules.


    Point 2 says: This order has been made by the court of its own motion under the case management powers set out in Part 3 of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998. Any party affected by the order may apply under rule 3.3(5) to have it set aside, varied or stayed provided that any such application is made to the court no more than seven days after the date on which this order was served on that party.


    As the defendant do I need to do anything at this point? Any help is very much appreciated.


    Thanks
    • bluetoffee1878
    • By bluetoffee1878 25th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
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    If I understand correctly, the court have issued an order to the claimant (CEL) because the court is not happy with the particulars of claim that they have issued.

    It is now up to CEL to file new particulars of claim to both the court and to you that meets and complies with CPR.

    The ball is very much in the court of CEL to comply with this court order, my guess is that they will not and the court may then strike out their claim.

    You as the defendant don't need to do anything at this point other than watch out for new compliant particulars of claim which CEL should serve on the court and to you.

    If they do not serve them within the time limit, contact the court in writing stating the claim number and the fact that CEL have not followed the court order.
    • Lamilad
    • By Lamilad 25th Sep 17, 12:18 PM
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    Agree with what Bluetoffee1878 says....

    Is it an "unless order"? i.e - does it state something to the effect of

    claimant to supply new PoC by xxxx date or the claim will be struck out?
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 25th Sep 17, 12:23 PM
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    Thank you very much I will look out for the new particulars of claim and will come back here with an update.


    Thank you again for your help, much appreciated
    • tawana2002
    • By tawana2002 25th Sep 17, 12:33 PM
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    No it just states "1. By 3pm on -- September 2017 the claimant do file and serve full particulars of claim to comply with Civil Procedure Rules.


    And then the 2nd point as stated above.


    That's all it says
    • bluetoffee1878
    • By bluetoffee1878 25th Sep 17, 1:56 PM
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    That is why I have suggested to contact the Court if they fail to follow the order by the deadline.

    Send a letter (or email I guess) for the attention of a procedural Judge, stating the claim number and bringing to the courts attention that the claimant has failed to follow an order of the court.

    Sounds to me like the court that your case has been assigned to are getting wise to the CEL scum.
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