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    • oldmotherb
    • By oldmotherb 10th Sep 17, 9:40 PM
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    Fuming. PCN just received. Appeal window closed
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    • 10th Sep 17, 9:40 PM
    Fuming. PCN just received. Appeal window closed 10th Sep 17 at 9:40 PM
    !Parking Charge Notice

    Your help please.
    Hubby has received a PCN From ES Parking Enforcement Ltd. Letter is dated!29th August 2017!and incident is recorded as being 19:00 hours on 22nd July 2017. Reason for issue: Not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space. There is a photograph of the car with the back tyre parked slightly on the white bay markings.
    I have read the threads and have attempted to appeal via ESParking website. I keep getting the message that the 21 days for appeal has passed and therefore an appeal cannot be made.
    Am I correct in thinking that 21 days starts from the date of the letter, not the date of the "incident"? If so, would you suggest i send the appeal letter by recorded delivery as i notice that other people have had instances where ESParking have allegedly not received their email or correspondence.
    Secondly, which template should I use? On the PCN, ES Parking Enforcement Ltd are noted as being members of BPA whilst their website states they are members of IPA which is very confusing?
    By the way, hubby is panicking and wants to pay the "fine" within the 14 days.!I'm standing my ground and telling him he shouldn't.
    Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 10th Sep 17, 10:05 PM
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    Am I correct in thinking that 21 days starts from the date of the letter, not the date of the "incident"?
    Correct.

    Apart from engaging in their process, to show you are not ignoring the charge, your appeal would be totally rejected.

    But you need to make a complaint to David Dunford of the DVLA about their misleading assertions. Make it sticky for them - let them have some of their own crap to deal with, return the 'favour'!

    david.dunford@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    ESPEL are IPC AOS members, which should be signified by a roundel (circle) enclosing the logo IPC. Does the BPA logo also have a rounded encircling it? Or is it just an oblong block enclosing the BPA logo?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • oldmotherb
    • By oldmotherb 10th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
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    • 10th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
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    • 10th Sep 17, 10:29 PM
    The BPA letters are each in a separate block and the IPC is encircled. Hubby is waving his credit card desperate to pay before the 14 days are up but I'm furiously trying to persuade him not to.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 10th Sep 17, 10:41 PM
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    • 10th Sep 17, 10:41 PM
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    Would your husband pay anyone that demands money from him/you?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 10th Sep 17, 10:45 PM
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    It's the roundel that counts as far as a PCN is concerned. So use the IPC operator template initial appeal from the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1. But note that this won't result in a cancellation, but will be to show you have engaged in their appeals process.

    Post #3 of the sticky tells you why not to subsequently appeal to the IAS. So after getting the PPCs rejection, you go into ignore mode, including debt collector letters, but do not ignore court papers/letters.

    ESPEL are mildly litigious, so it may take a judge to resolve this, but I rather suspect they won't agree that a tyre slightly on a white line should be penalised by a £100 penalty.

    Know your enemy:

    https://bmpa.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203617871-ES-Parking-Enforcement-Ltd

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/E_S_Parking_Enforcement.html
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 10th Sep 17, 11:06 PM
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    ES Parking are simply scammers who in turn belong
    to the IPC scammers.

    Unless your hubby wants to finance these scam terrorists
    which will finance their scam further, please tell him
    to put his credit card away, he is not to pay them

    Such a trivial thing is winnable if ES Parking go further but
    as they employ completely incompetent solicitors called
    Gladstones and judges are in despair about this out of
    control scammer. It would be laughed out of court.

    Read This about ES Parking and indeed their crackpot solicitors
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=es+parking

    Because the scammer belongs to the scam IPC, do not
    expect either to agree with your appeal.
    This is how the scam works and guess what .... the whole
    scam was set up by Gladstones Solicitors.

    If your hubby really wants to pay a scammer, we cannot
    stop him but if he has spare cash to throw away, ask him
    to type in SCAM on google, he will find many he can waste
    money on as well.

    Once we know he has not paid, the experts on here will help

    Back tyre on white line indeed, what a load of rubbish
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 10th Sep 17, 11:46 PM
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    • 10th Sep 17, 11:46 PM
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    • 10th Sep 17, 11:46 PM
    ES Parking are simply scammers who in turn belong
    to the IPC scammers.

    Unless your hubby wants to finance these scam terrorists
    which will finance their scam further, please tell him
    to put his credit card away, he is not to pay them

    Such a trivial thing is winnable if ES Parking go further but
    as they employ completely incompetent solicitors called
    Gladstones and judges are in despair about this out of
    control scammer. It would be laughed out of court.

    Read This about ES Parking and indeed their crackpot solicitors
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=es+parking

    Because the scammer belongs to the scam IPC, do not
    expect either to agree with your appeal.
    This is how the scam works and guess what .... the whole
    scam was set up by Gladstones Solicitors.

    If your hubby really wants to pay a scammer, we cannot
    stop him but if he has spare cash to throw away, ask him
    to type in SCAM on google, he will find many he can waste
    money on as well.

    Once we know he has not paid, the experts on here will help

    Back tyre on white line indeed, what a load of rubbish
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    thought "Trev" financed them ?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Sep 17, 12:10 AM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 12:10 AM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 12:10 AM
    By the way, hubby is panicking and wants to pay the "fine" within the 14 days.!I'm standing my ground and telling him he shouldn't.
    Any advice would be greatly appreciated
    Originally posted by oldmotherb
    What is it with our menfolk?!

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=73097131#post73097131

    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 11th Sep 17, 7:46 AM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 7:46 AM
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    • 11th Sep 17, 7:46 AM
    Make a complaint in writing to your local Trading Standards Officer.

    Unless you caused an obstruction, this would appear to be in the nature if a penalty and they would struggle in court. Read about unfair terms in consumer contracts.


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/contents/enacted
    Last edited by The Deep; 11-09-2017 at 7:54 AM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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