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    • By Saga 9th Sep 17, 10:57 PM
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    Noisy Neighbours/
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    • 9th Sep 17, 10:57 PM
    Noisy Neighbours/ 9th Sep 17 at 10:57 PM
    Apologies for all my recent naive potential FTB newbie questions. Just wondering: most of the properties in my likely affordability bracket are terraced houses but through years of renting I know I'm a bit noise-sensitive. What fool-proof steps can potential buyers take when it comes to ensuring potential properties have sufficient noise insulation and/or neighbours are not of the antisocial variety?
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Sep 17, 12:41 PM
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    Blimey, heaven forbid people can't even work now without some moaning about it.

    OP: Ask your neighbours what time do they get up for work (if they work).
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    They were getting up for work in the night (about 5a.m. as I recall) and letting their alarm repeat (despite requests not to).

    So I was woken up every time they woke themselves up for work.

    My own hours were normal ones (ie within 8am - 6pm weekdays range) and my own alarm went off at 6 a.m. and was instantly silenced. I was considerate and working normal hours. They were inconsiderate and working antisocial hours. Bit of a difference...
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    • Mossfarr
    • By Mossfarr 10th Sep 17, 12:49 PM
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    You also have to remember that things change over time. I've lived in my semi for over 50 years with the same fabulous neighbours. We have all lived our lives and raised our families and never had any problems - with noise or anything else!.
    However, my surviving neighbour is now in her 80's and is extremely deaf so we can hear her tv as though is actually in our room!
    This is enhanced by my Mother, also in her 80's and extremely deaf, whose tv blasts away in our second sitting room!
    We HAVE to put our tv on to drown out the racket from their two TV's.
    I am also extremely noise sensitive so often use headphones or earplugs. There is no point in complaining as it 'falls on deaf ears' LOL
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 10th Sep 17, 2:04 PM
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    Go for an end terrace preferably where the front doors are next to each other so that the living room is on the end furthest away from the neighbours.
    Originally posted by Cakeguts


    This is only likely, if the terraced house is a modern one or an old fashioned one with hallway.


    The house I was brought up in,like hundreds around it, had full width rooms, so you shared front and back living room walls with both lots of neighbours and likewise with bedrooms. A third bedroom over the kitchen may share just one wall or none and depends on the interior layout (nothing to do with front door pairing).
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Sep 17, 2:05 PM
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    Exactly. Try convincing a noisy neighbour they are noisy. I've been in the same flat for decades and have had a variety of neighbours. The biggest factor in the amount of noise between properties is down to the people living there.
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    If you live in a settlement with other humans you are not going to get silence though, it shouldn't be expected.

    I wonder how many of the people who complain about 'noisy neighbours' are actually guilty of making similar levels of normal day to day living noises themselves but don't realise it when its them!

    Live and let live a bit, we all have to co-exist in crowded towns and cities.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Sep 17, 2:08 PM
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    Blimey, heaven forbid people can't even work now without some moaning about it.

    OP: Ask your neighbours what time do they get up for work (if they work).
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    No work, no sex life, no TV, apparently if you want to be a good neighbour you should just sit still and sip tea!
    Last edited by Red-Squirrel; 10-09-2017 at 7:41 PM.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Sep 17, 2:34 PM
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    Detached is the only way to be sure!
    Originally posted by BrassicWoman
    Err, unless the neighbour is like me, with a cockerel, two chain saws, two mowers, and a brushcutter.

    Ah, the peace and quiet of the English countryside!*

    As I type, my neighbour is out with his tractor, flailing 2km of overgrown hedges.. "Kerrraaannnggg!" It will take him two days of loud metallic clanging to complete. Then, perhaps someone will come to do mine, or the farmer across the road will start.

    *Even in the country, in a detached property, where people might expect to hear birds singing, the distant sound of a cricket match, or church bells, there are many times when it's not idyllic and peaceful. Yes, we do hear all those things, but it's just as likely to be a tractor, a chain saw, a combine harvester (which continue working after dark) or, heaven help us, a de-stoner!
    Last edited by Davesnave; 10-09-2017 at 6:00 PM.
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Sep 17, 2:36 PM
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    You also have to remember that things change over time. I've lived in my semi for over 50 years with the same fabulous neighbours. We have all lived our lives and raised our families and never had any problems - with noise or anything else!.
    However, my surviving neighbour is now in her 80's and is extremely deaf so we can hear her tv as though is actually in our room!
    This is enhanced by my Mother, also in her 80's and extremely deaf, whose tv blasts away in our second sitting room!
    We HAVE to put our tv on to drown out the racket from their two TV's.
    I am also extremely noise sensitive so often use headphones or earplugs. There is no point in complaining as it 'falls on deaf ears' LOL
    Originally posted by Mossfarr
    There are these sort of "loop" things that deaf people can have put in I gather that will ensure they can hear tv's okay, but other people don't get their ears blasted with extreme volume.

    My parents have to have one - as my father is deaf and my mother hates excess noise. Result = both of them happy.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Sep 17, 2:44 PM
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    There are these sort of "loop" things that deaf people can have put in I gather that will ensure they can hear tv's okay, but other people don't get their ears blasted with extreme volume.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    They work for many.

    The 90 year old lady adjoining a property I was selling, gained one suddenly when I told her son it was either that or a visit from Environmental Health.

    It wasn't something they did on their own initiative, or indeed very willingly, but once installed, the old lady wished she'd had it much earlier.

    And it worked for me too. I didn't lose the next buyer.
    'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in.'
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 10th Sep 17, 2:53 PM
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    If you live in a settlement with other humans you are not going to get silence though, it shouldn't be expected.

    I wonder how many of the people who complain about 'noisy neighbours' are actually guilty of making similar levels of normal day to day living noises themselves but don't realise it when its them!

    Live and let live a bit, we all have to co-exist in crowded towns and cities.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    "Live and let live a bit"? First flat, band practice every Sunday, midday to past 1AM. The people over the road asked how I put up with as it was loud enough to annoy them. Next flat, drunk "partner" of tenant arrived 2-4 nights per week, every week between 11pm and 4am to have his own drunk party normally lasting for about 3 hours. Shouting and loud music often left on after falling asleep, the other side of my bedroom wall. Despite endless complaints this went on for 15 years. Flat under my living room, 18 year old, music every evening, felt through the floor. I used to watch tv at about 80% volume, no choice. This lasted about 2 years. Fortunately he was imprisoned for attempted murder and supplying drugs to minors. Same flat next tenant. Asylum seeker. Every night about 6-7 young men congregated there. It was like being above a busy pub. Every time one of them used the toilet a door would bang loudly four times. Living room, bathroom, bathroom, living room. Their car alarm would regularly be set off by passing buses causing a stampede outside to check the car. This lasted a year but stopped after complaints. Same flat, next tenant. Drink, drug abuser with probable mental health problems. Loud music for 6+ hours a day accompanied by screaming and shouting through the night while smashing his flat. Ongoing but quiet at present. Flat under bedroom tenanted by nocturnal oaf with very loud voice. Regularly woken between midnight to 4am by doors banging loudly, then kept awake by hour long phone calls then tv or playstation games. Ongoing.
    These are the highlights, there have been others.

    Maybe I should live and let live.

    Its clear that people who refer to "normal noise" between flats and consider people who complain unreasonable haven't had to live with this !!!!.

    I've had one complaint about my loud daytime music. I didn't need to be told a second time. I'm not ignorant about noise that I make. I'm not selfish or stupid and don't deny responsibility for any noise I make.
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 10-09-2017 at 3:02 PM.
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    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 10th Sep 17, 2:54 PM
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    No work, no sex life, no TV, apparently if you want to be a good neighbour you should just still and sip tea!
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    You've got no idea. Its unlikely anyone living with noisy neighbours would welcome your smug comments.
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 10-09-2017 at 3:01 PM.
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    • Mossfarr
    • By Mossfarr 10th Sep 17, 4:03 PM
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    They work for many.

    The 90 year old lady adjoining a property I was selling, gained one suddenly when I told her son it was either that or a visit from Environmental Health.

    It wasn't something they did on their own initiative, or indeed very willingly, but once installed, the old lady wished she'd had it much earlier.

    And it worked for me too. I didn't lose the next buyer.
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    Yes there are lots of 'aids' that are available. Unfortunately my Mother simply doesn't think its a problem so is very unwilling to try anything. Like my neighbour, I can't force her to use loops, improved hearing aids, wireless headphones or anything else. That why I use headphones
    • shortcrust
    • By shortcrust 10th Sep 17, 4:13 PM
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    "Live and let live a bit"? First flat, band practice every Sunday, midday to past 1AM. The people over the road asked how I put up with as it was loud enough to annoy them. Next flat, drunk "partner" of tenant arrived 2-4 nights per week, every week between 11pm and 4am to have his own drunk party normally lasting for about 3 hours. Shouting and loud music often left on after falling asleep, the other side of my bedroom wall. Despite endless complaints this went on for 15 years. Flat under my living room, 18 year old, music every evening, felt through the floor. I used to watch tv at about 80% volume, no choice. This lasted about 2 years. Fortunately he was imprisoned for attempted murder and supplying drugs to minors. Same flat next tenant. Asylum seeker. Every night about 6-7 young men congregated there. It was like being above a busy pub. Every time one of them used the toilet a door would bang loudly four times. Living room, bathroom, bathroom, living room. Their car alarm would regularly be set off by passing buses causing a stampede outside to check the car. This lasted a year but stopped after complaints. Same flat, next tenant. Drink, drug abuser with probable mental health problems. Loud music for 6+ hours a day accompanied by screaming and shouting through the night while smashing his flat. Ongoing but quiet at present. Flat under bedroom tenanted by nocturnal oaf with very loud voice. Regularly woken between midnight to 4am by doors banging loudly, then kept awake by hour long phone calls then tv or playstation games. Ongoing.
    These are the highlights, there have been others.

    Maybe I should live and let live.

    Its clear that people who refer to "normal noise" between flats and consider people who complain unreasonable haven't had to live with this !!!!.

    I've had one complaint about my loud daytime music. I didn't need to be told a second time. I'm not ignorant about noise that I make. I'm not selfish or stupid and don't deny responsibility for any noise I make.
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    Maybe you should move! It doesn't sound as if you're located well for a quiet life.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 10th Sep 17, 5:44 PM
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    Remember people when going to bed and work, unplug your home telephone, don't want to disturb others.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 10th Sep 17, 5:47 PM
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    They were getting up for work in the night (about 5a.m. as I recall) and letting their alarm repeat (despite requests not to).

    So I was woken up every time they woke themselves up for work.

    My own hours were normal ones (ie within 8am - 6pm weekdays range) and my own alarm went off at 6 a.m. and was instantly silenced. I was considerate and working normal hours. They were inconsiderate and working antisocial hours. Bit of a difference...
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    My alarm goes off at 7am, to me your also inconsiderate for having one at 6am even if it is just once.
    • shortcrust
    • By shortcrust 10th Sep 17, 7:38 PM
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    If the noise of my neighbour pressing the snooze button was a genuine problem for me I'd either move or look at sound proofing. I'd never dream of asking them not to do it regardless of the time. If someone spoke to me about not snoozing my alarm I'd honestly struggle to maintain composure.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Sep 17, 7:43 PM
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    There are these sort of "loop" things that deaf people can have put in I gather that will ensure they can hear tv's okay, but other people don't get their ears blasted with extreme volume.

    My parents have to have one - as my father is deaf and my mother hates excess noise. Result = both of them happy.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    People often don't realise their hearing is as bad as it is until somebody tells them, especially if they are alone a lot.

    They just keep putting the telly up one notch at a time, gradually, until its booming but they have no idea how loud it actually is because it just sounds normal to them.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Sep 17, 7:45 PM
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    "Live and let live a bit"? First flat, band practice every Sunday, midday to past 1AM. The people over the road asked how I put up with as it was loud enough to annoy them. Next flat, drunk "partner" of tenant arrived 2-4 nights per week, every week between 11pm and 4am to have his own drunk party normally lasting for about 3 hours. Shouting and loud music often left on after falling asleep, the other side of my bedroom wall. Despite endless complaints this went on for 15 years. Flat under my living room, 18 year old, music every evening, felt through the floor. I used to watch tv at about 80% volume, no choice. This lasted about 2 years. Fortunately he was imprisoned for attempted murder and supplying drugs to minors. Same flat next tenant. Asylum seeker. Every night about 6-7 young men congregated there. It was like being above a busy pub. Every time one of them used the toilet a door would bang loudly four times. Living room, bathroom, bathroom, living room. Their car alarm would regularly be set off by passing buses causing a stampede outside to check the car. This lasted a year but stopped after complaints. Same flat, next tenant. Drink, drug abuser with probable mental health problems. Loud music for 6+ hours a day accompanied by screaming and shouting through the night while smashing his flat. Ongoing but quiet at present. Flat under bedroom tenanted by nocturnal oaf with very loud voice. Regularly woken between midnight to 4am by doors banging loudly, then kept awake by hour long phone calls then tv or playstation games. Ongoing.
    These are the highlights, there have been others.

    Maybe I should live and let live.

    Its clear that people who refer to "normal noise" between flats and consider people who complain unreasonable haven't had to live with this !!!!.

    I've had one complaint about my loud daytime music. I didn't need to be told a second time. I'm not ignorant about noise that I make. I'm not selfish or stupid and don't deny responsibility for any noise I make.
    Originally posted by Norman Castle

    You're talking about unusual cases there, where your annoyance is justified. There are people here moaning about alarm clocks, and couples having sex in their own beds!
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Sep 17, 7:46 PM
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    You've got no idea. Its unlikely anyone living with noisy neighbours would welcome your smug comments.
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    I do have an idea actually, I have had a very anti-social noisy neighbour. Once. That's one of the reasons why I know that living your normal life is not 'noisy neighbour' behaviour worth complaining about.
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