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    • Smallfry1
    • By Smallfry1 8th Sep 17, 9:07 AM
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    Neighbours new business
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    Neighbours new business 8th Sep 17 at 9:07 AM
    Our next door but one neighbour has started a home dog boarding business. Our houses are a terrace with small courtyard gardens and shared access. The dogs are a complete nuisance. They bark incessantly and foul their yard which stinks. Our neighbours are nice people but totally self centred and thoughtless, their immediate neighbours have had lots of issues which the couple have refused to sort out costing them lots of money. I'm hoping to sell my home in the next couple of years so am wary of making waves but it's making it intolerable living here and I think will make it difficult to sell, we've tried the tea and cake approach and that hasn't worked, what can I do?
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 8th Sep 17, 9:25 AM
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    • 8th Sep 17, 9:25 AM
    Perhaps the Council:
    - Environmental Health Department re noise and smell.

    Perhaps the Council:
    - Are they due to pay business rates on their house now, instead of ordinary Council Tax? Worth finding out

    Perhaps HMRC;
    - Are they paying tax on their extra income?

    I expect at least one of these ideas are "things they havent thought of".
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    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 9:27 AM
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    Our next door but one neighbour has started a home dog boarding business. Our houses are a terrace with small courtyard gardens and shared access.
    Originally posted by Smallfry1
    Have they got a licence? It doesn't sound like a suitable place to run a dog boarding business from.
    www.gov.uk/animal-boarding-establishment-licence
    • kinger101
    • By kinger101 8th Sep 17, 9:53 AM
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    I might also be inclined to call the RSPCA. I think they'd take rather a dim view on the conditions in which the dogs are being kept.
    • comeandgo
    • By comeandgo 8th Sep 17, 10:12 AM
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    I might also be inclined to call the RSPCA. I think they'd take rather a dim view on the conditions in which the dogs are being kept.
    Originally posted by kinger101
    I don't think they would, though may take action if licence needed and business does not have one.
    • tiz
    • By tiz 8th Sep 17, 10:14 AM
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    Check with your local council whether they have a licence. The council should have been out and inspected as part of the licence process and set a limit for how many dogs they can board at once in the space they have.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 8th Sep 17, 10:18 AM
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    Check with your local council whether they have a licence. The council should have been out and inspected as part of the licence process and set a limit for how many dogs they can board at once in the space they have.
    Originally posted by tiz
    Usually where licensing is needed a local authority would contact near neighbours if they'd had an application to allow for any objections to be made.

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    • xylophone
    • By xylophone 8th Sep 17, 10:23 AM
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    • 8th Sep 17, 10:23 AM
    Are they permitted to run a business from a residential premises?
    • Mutton Geoff
    • By Mutton Geoff 8th Sep 17, 10:24 AM
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    • 8th Sep 17, 10:24 AM
    Start to keep a diary of the times of the disturbances. Possibly some recordings as well. You may well need them later.
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    • Smallfry1
    • By Smallfry1 8th Sep 17, 10:38 AM
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    Thank you for all your advice, I will check with their immediate neighbours but I don't think anyone has been consulted. I'm not concerned for the welfare of the animals as they are nice people and I'm sure wouldn't mistreat them in anyway. I'm just worried that if I take any of the suggested actions I will have to declare it when I sell. Can I do any anonymously?
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 10:52 AM
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    Our houses are a terrace with small courtyard gardens and shared access.

    The dogs are a complete nuisance.
    They bark incessantly and foul their yard which stinks.

    it's making it intolerable living here and I think will make it difficult to sell
    Originally posted by Smallfry1
    I'm just worried that if I take any of the suggested actions I will have to declare it when I sell.
    Originally posted by Smallfry1
    Who is going to buy your house if the situation isn't dealt with?

    Asking for information doesn't constitute a neighbour dispute.
    • Smallfry1
    • By Smallfry1 8th Sep 17, 11:04 AM
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    This is true, I shall make some enquiries with the council. Thank you
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 11:06 AM
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    It's worrying that people would be willing to leave their dogs in this situation. Are the neighbour's charges very cheap?
    • Smallfry1
    • By Smallfry1 8th Sep 17, 11:11 AM
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    I have no idea what they charge, she is a dof walker so presumably gets her clients from that business.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 8th Sep 17, 11:20 AM
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    It's worrying that people would be willing to leave their dogs in this situation. Are the neighbour's charges very cheap?
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Its quite common for people to leave their dogs living in a home situation rather than in a kennel. My dog walker offers the same service in her own home. Usually its just a case of adding one or two extra dogs to the ones that already live there rather than keeping lots in cages/runs etc. as you would see at a boarding kennel.

    The problem for the neighbours is that the training and behaviour of the dogs will be variable, and they are in a strange place so possibly more likely to bark than usual anyway.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 11:23 AM
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    Our houses are a terrace with small courtyard gardens and shared access.

    The dogs are a complete nuisance. They bark incessantly and foul their yard which stinks.
    Originally posted by Smallfry1
    Its quite common for people to leave their dogs living in a home situation rather than in a kennel. My dog walker offers the same service in her own home.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    I do the same but the home boarders have always had reasonably big gardens which were kept clean.
    • Soot2006
    • By Soot2006 8th Sep 17, 11:24 AM
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    You don't happen to live on the other side of my neighbours do you?

    Licensed dog walker and "cash in hand" boarder ... Someone reported her (not me) but she said she was looking after the dogs for friends, not charging for the a service so that was that. I know she charges. Thankfully she doesn't have dogs all day every day as she is still a dog walker so is generally out and about but if she has boarders it's like barkfest day and night for a while.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 11:27 AM
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    Start to keep a diary of the times of the disturbances. Possibly some recordings as well. You may well need them later.
    Originally posted by Mutton Geoff
    Licensed dog walker and "cash in hand" boarder ... Someone reported her (not me) but she said she was looking after the dogs for friends, not charging for the a service so that was that.
    Originally posted by Soot2006
    Having a diary and recording of dogs could help the OP disprove that if the neighbour tries the same story.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 8th Sep 17, 11:29 AM
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    I do the same but the home boarders have always had reasonably big gardens which were kept clean.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    They should be keeping the yard clean of course, and if the smell is affecting the neighbours it would be reasonable to knock on and ask them to sort it, but I don't think not having a big garden is a dealbreaker on treating the dogs properly. If the neighbour works as a dog walker I assume they are being walked and getting exercise.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Sep 17, 11:31 AM
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    They should be keeping the yard clean of course, and if the smell is affecting the neighbours it would be reasonable to knock on and ask them to sort it, but I don't think not having a big garden is a dealbreaker on treating the dogs properly.

    If the neighbour works as a dog walker I assume they are being walked and getting exercise.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    It isn't - but the fact that the dogs are barking so much would worry me and suggest that they aren't happy.

    If the dogs are being kept in a small garden, they will need extra exercise and playtime. If they are just put out in the courtyard to entertain themselves, I wouldn't want to pay someone for that.
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