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    • C8957
    • By C8957 7th Sep 17, 8:58 PM
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    M25 speeding
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    • 7th Sep 17, 8:58 PM
    M25 speeding 7th Sep 17 at 8:58 PM
    Hi,
    I was travelling south on the m25 last night (I think around junction 10?) and the variable speed limit changed to 20 mph even though the motorway was fairly quiet (I didn't see it change to this , I just got to part of the motorway that had this limit displayed) . I started to slow down , but literally nobody else slowed down so it would have been very dangerous to drive at 20. I think I slowed down to about 40, but even then people were over taking me . Not one person drove at 20.

    Has anyone else had an experience like this ? I am very worried as I'll probably get a ticket , and I haven't been driving long so I could also lose my license
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 9th Sep 17, 6:07 PM
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    The minimum enforceable speed limit is 30 mph.
    Anything below this is recommendatory.
    Originally posted by Marktheshark
    in what context?

    All those 20mph zones aren't enforceable?
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 9th Sep 17, 6:07 PM
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    The minimum enforceable speed limit is 30 mph.
    Anything below this is recommendatory.
    Originally posted by Marktheshark
    It's actually 20 mph.
    • Nathaniel Essex
    • By Nathaniel Essex 10th Sep 17, 5:25 PM
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    I think the general rule is, as long as you are going under 70, you probably won't get a ticket on the M25 whilst the variable speed limit is in place. I go no faster that 10mph over the variable speed limit but see people speeding past me and not slowing down at either the gantry or the new cameras.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 10th Sep 17, 5:51 PM
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    I think the general rule is, as long as you are going under 70, you probably won't get a ticket on the M25 whilst the variable speed limit is in place. I go no faster that 10mph over the variable speed limit but see people speeding past me and not slowing down at either the gantry or the new cameras.
    Originally posted by Nathaniel Essex
    No, that's not great advice. You should stick to whatever the signs are saying (you can always use the buffer provided by the guidlines too) and stick to NSL when they aren't illuminated. If you pass a gantry showing 50 at 70, you will get a ticket if a camera is installed and functional.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 10th Sep 17, 6:26 PM
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    I think the general rule is, as long as you are going under 70, you probably won't get a ticket on the M25 whilst the variable speed limit is in place. I go no faster that 10mph over the variable speed limit but see people speeding past me and not slowing down at either the gantry or the new cameras.
    Originally posted by Nathaniel Essex
    You only have to read the posts on http://forums.pepipoo.com/ to see that you are incorrect , many people have been caught at lower limits when the managed motorway speed restrictions are in place.
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    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 10th Sep 17, 7:24 PM
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    It's actually 20 mph.
    Originally posted by Warwick Hunt
    Can you provide a source for that "fact"?
    • Nathaniel Essex
    • By Nathaniel Essex 10th Sep 17, 9:49 PM
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    No, that's not great advice. You should stick to whatever the signs are saying (you can always use the buffer provided by the guidlines too) and stick to NSL when they aren't illuminated. If you pass a gantry showing 50 at 70, you will get a ticket if a camera is installed and functional.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    More a statement from my personal observation than advice.
    • deaston
    • By deaston 10th Sep 17, 11:55 PM
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    Hi,
    I was travelling south on the m25 last night (I think around junction 10?) and the variable speed limit changed to 20 mph even though the motorway was fairly quiet (I didn't see it change to this , I just got to part of the motorway that had this limit displayed) . I started to slow down , but literally nobody else slowed down so it would have been very dangerous to drive at 20. I think I slowed down to about 40, but even then people were over taking me . Not one person drove at 20.

    Has anyone else had an experience like this ? I am very worried as I'll probably get a ticket , and I haven't been driving long so I could also lose my license
    Originally posted by C8957
    I was on the M25 last year in a similar situation. It was very late and the signs started flashing "incident, slow down" and the limit reduced to something like 30mph. This went on for mile after mile with no obvious incident.

    The traffic started to speed up to the point that I was doing 30mph and I had lorries roaring past me and kept getting honked. It was pretty scary.

    Suddenly, the NSL sign appeared. No incident was ever seen. This happens quite often.

    I actually contacted the Highways Agency after this particular event to try and point out that the reduced limit came far too early which causes drivers to end up ignoring the warning and, either way, there was no incident. They sent back an email that may as well have read "We couldn't care less."
    • deaston
    • By deaston 11th Sep 17, 12:00 AM
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    I think the general rule is, as long as you are going under 70, you probably won't get a ticket on the M25 whilst the variable speed limit is in place.
    Originally posted by Nathaniel Essex
    And if you wear a balaclava when you mug someone, you probably won't get caught, so it's ok to do it.

    I think, actually, the general rule is that, when it says 50mph, you should do no more than 50mph. It's often for the safety of roadworkers, but don't let that fact get in the way of you getting home a couple of minutes earlier.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 11th Sep 17, 12:18 AM
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    I was on the M25 last year in a similar situation. It was very late and the signs started flashing "incident, slow down" and the limit reduced to something like 30mph. This went on for mile after mile with no obvious incident.

    The traffic started to speed up to the point that I was doing 30mph and I had lorries roaring past me and kept getting honked. It was pretty scary.

    Suddenly, the NSL sign appeared. No incident was ever seen. This happens quite often.

    I actually contacted the Highways Agency after this particular event to try and point out that the reduced limit came far too early which causes drivers to end up ignoring the warning and, either way, there was no incident. They sent back an email that may as well have read "We couldn't care less."
    Originally posted by deaston
    Yeh this is par for the course on the M4 usually theres nothing at all after miles of speed limit signs and even accident warnings etc, but even if there is its after about ten miles of these by which time everyone has sped up thinking its another false alarm.
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