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    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 6th Sep 17, 6:50 PM
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    Curry's Laptop Advice
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    • 6th Sep 17, 6:50 PM
    Curry's Laptop Advice 6th Sep 17 at 6:50 PM
    Hi,

    I went to Currys at the weekend and was interested in buying a laptop and then was put off as I didn't realise that it didn't include Microsoft Office and that the 2016 software would cost an extra £110.

    However, through my employer, Microsoft have offered me the software for £10, so the interest is back on.

    I therefore went back to Currys to buy the laptop. It is a Lenovo, has 4GB RAM, 1 TB memory and an Intel Celeron processor. However, the assistant said that after installing Office and saving some typical files such as photos, that the computer would significantly slow down and that I would therefore be advised to buy a 2TB memory upgrade, which I went against.

    Is this true? I understand that the Celeron processor is not the fastest but I didn't think that with a seemingly big hard drive that the computer would slow down so much, relying so much on the processor for speed. Or does it seem like the assistant was more trying to upsell something that I didn't particularly need?

    Could anybody confirm if and how much the computer would slow down over time. Many thanks.
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    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 6th Sep 17, 6:56 PM
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    Absolute bollox!
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
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    • UncleZen
    • By UncleZen 6th Sep 17, 7:12 PM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 7:12 PM
    You were right to ignore their advice. Saving a few docs and pictures will take up very little disk space.

    What they should be trying to flog you is something to back up your data on to, so you don't loose in the event that you drop the laptop or it packs up etc a 2TB Usb3 external drive is about £60 and we'll worth pursuing
    • John Gray
    • By John Gray 6th Sep 17, 7:15 PM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 7:15 PM
    Your Subject: "Currys Laptop Advice"
    My advice: AVOID

    Firstly, please could you give the model number of the Lenovo, so that we can look it up.
    I personally would avoid any Celeron, which is 'low-end', but they have become somewhat better since the days of the Pentium 4. There will probably be faster CPUs available on that Lenovo model (but might not be sold by Currys).

    Secondly, it offers a 1 TB hard drive, in other words, 1 TB of hard disk space. A 2 TB hard drive would provide double that space. Having twice the disk space will do absolutely nothing to the speed of the hard disk.

    Thirdly, computers tend to run slower as time passes (months, years) because users install more programs and copy more files to the hard disk, which means that the computers start up more slowly and can take (slightly) longer to access the files. A memory upgrade (say from the 4 GB on offer) to 6 GB or 8 GB (say) might make them somewhat faster, but only provided that the Windows 10 operating system is the 64-bit version.

    You did right to avoid the sales pitch (posing as technical advice) from the Currys salesperson...
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 6th Sep 17, 7:16 PM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 7:16 PM
    Thanks for the above. Please could you advise on the Intel Celeron processor and what kind of applications run smoothly on it, including Office. How much space on the hard drive would have to be filled before speed performance is notably affected?
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 6th Sep 17, 7:27 PM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 7:27 PM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 7:27 PM
    Your Subject: "Currys Laptop Advice"
    My advice: AVOID

    Firstly, please could you give the model number of the Lenovo, so that we can look it up.
    I personally would avoid any Celeron, which is 'low-end', but they have become somewhat better since the days of the Pentium 4. There will probably be faster CPUs available on that Lenovo model (but might not be sold by Currys).

    Secondly, it offers a 1 TB hard drive, in other words, 1 TB of hard disk space. A 2 TB hard drive would provide double that space. Having twice the disk space will do absolutely nothing to the speed of the hard disk.

    Thirdly, computers tend to run slower as time passes (months, years) because users install more programs and copy more files to the hard disk, which means that the computers start up more slowly and can take (slightly) longer to access the files. A memory upgrade (say from the 4 GB on offer) to 6 GB or 8 GB (say) might make them somewhat faster, but only provided that the Windows 10 operating system is the 64-bit version.

    You did right to avoid the sales pitch (posing as technical advice) from the Currys salesperson...
    Originally posted by John Gray
    This is the laptop - http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-110-15-6-laptop-black-10146807-pdt.html

    It was £249 in the shop. I am self employed and just want to be able to do some basic office work predominantly using an application that runs from Microsoft Access. I need to save my historical work too so it is more than just a few photos and pictures but we aren't talking 10s of gigabytes. I don't want to go above this price point. Many thanks in advance for any advice.
    • grumpycrab
    • By grumpycrab 6th Sep 17, 7:44 PM
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    1 TB memory... be advised to buy a 2TB memory upgrade,
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    FYI, RAM = memory; 1TB and 2TB refers to disk space, as I'm sure you know by now.... Terrible CPU by the way. Suggestions coming...
    OK so your demands aren't great but treat yourself to an SSD and a half decent CPU....£300 https://www.box.co.uk/1LU04ESABU-HP-255-G5_2154771.html
    Laptop prices have gone up in the last 6 months and so, for your budget, others may suggest a referb Dell from somewhere like this http://mcscom.co.uk/shop/dell-laptops/

    PS. Question. Where is your "historical work" stored at the moment? You need stuff in 2 places; a 128GB SSD (fast!) is a little small - that's why I'm asking where you store stuff now.
    Last edited by grumpycrab; 06-09-2017 at 8:07 PM.
    Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature because somebody complained that the information contained within it was too helpful.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 6th Sep 17, 7:53 PM
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    Thanks for the above. Please could you advise on the Intel Celeron processor and what kind of applications run smoothly on it, including Office. How much space on the hard drive would have to be filled before speed performance is notably affected?
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    The amount of files on the hard drive will not affect the performance of the computer.

    Things that will affect the performance if you run multiple programs or complex programs are:-
    • The speed of the processor
    • The amount of RAM
    • The speed of the hard disk (not the size of it)

    The machine will be "fine" for normal home / office use. At that end of the market (£249) you're not going to get much better spec.
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    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 6th Sep 17, 9:02 PM
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    Spend a little more, get something a LOT better:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/767997-lenovo-v110-laptop-80tl00a9uk
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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 7th Sep 17, 9:11 AM
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    You had a lucky escape .


    DO NOT SHOP AT CURRYS PC WORLD.


    Their lies and incompetence are mind blowing
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 7th Sep 17, 9:30 AM
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    Your employer offers an ability to buy Office at £10 but you are self-employed????

    Are you sure that the version of Office you will be getting for £10 includes Access?
    Last edited by Le_Kirk; 07-09-2017 at 9:30 AM. Reason: Removing spurious CR's ........ again
    • grumpycrab
    • By grumpycrab 7th Sep 17, 9:55 AM
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    However, through my employer, Microsoft have offered me the software for £10, so the interest is back on.
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    If your budget is still around £250 try this
    http://www.ebuyer.com/786174-hp-255-g5-laptop-1tt38es-1tt38es-abu
    £220 but needs Windows 10 - perhaps you can get a cheap license through your employer?
    Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature because somebody complained that the information contained within it was too helpful.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 7th Sep 17, 10:43 AM
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    Your employer offers an ability to buy Office at £10 but you are self-employed????

    Are you sure that the version of Office you will be getting for £10 includes Access?
    Originally posted by Le_Kirk
    Good spot re. self employed.

    OP will be referring to the Home Use Program ... this offers Office Professional Plus 2016 (which includes Access) for £9.95.

    https://www.microsofthup.com/hupuk/hup.aspx?culture=en-GB
    https://www.microsofthup.com/hupuk/pdp2/en-GB/office
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    • maddogb
    • By maddogb 7th Sep 17, 10:56 AM
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    oh dear god why are they still using 5400 rpm hdds 25year old technology just to squeeze a few more bucks per unit profit.
    • maddogb
    • By maddogb 7th Sep 17, 10:59 AM
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    oh and btw despite popular opinion the salesman was correct from a technical point of view, whether you will notice this slow down to any degree before the laptop outlives its life is another question.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 7th Sep 17, 11:00 AM
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    Good spot re. self employed.

    OP will be referring to the Home Use Program ... this offers Office Professional Plus 2016 (which includes Access) for £9.95.

    https://www.microsofthup.com/hupuk/hup.aspx?culture=en-GB
    https://www.microsofthup.com/hupuk/pdp2/en-GB/office
    Originally posted by DoaM
    If the OP is only self employed then I don't see that it's likely that the Home Use Program will apply. It's possible that they are employed and have access to the program that way but also do SE work, we'll only know for sure if the OP updates us.
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 7th Sep 17, 11:21 AM
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    If the OP is only self employed then I don't see that it's likely that the Home Use Program will apply. It's possible that they are employed and have access to the program that way but also do SE work, we'll only know for sure if the OP updates us.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    I am not just self employed. I have an employer during the day and then do self employed work at other times.

    The Home Use program is indeed what I am eligible for and I didnt think of the point raised about Access but it seems it is covered in the HU plan all the same.

    I think further to what has been said, I may go down the route of getting a refurbished machine that has a decent warranty length.....

    When looking at the processor, should the emphasis be on the processor speed rather than the make/model. Is for example, a 2.3 gigahertz processor good? This seems to be the approximate spec for various Intel I3 processors.

    For want of a better phrase, what is the industry standard?
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 7th Sep 17, 11:25 AM
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    oh and btw despite popular opinion the salesman was correct from a technical point of view, whether you will notice this slow down to any degree before the laptop outlives its life is another question.
    Originally posted by maddogb

    In what way (and on what planet) was the salesman correct from any point of view ?


    Are you saying that a computer will slow significantly down by installing office and a few photos on a 1TB HDD ?? and therefore a 2TB would be recommended ?


    Do you work for PC world ?
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    • maddogb
    • By maddogb 7th Sep 17, 11:44 AM
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    In what way (and on what planet) was the salesman correct from any point of view ?


    Are you saying that a computer will slow significantly down by installing office and a few photos on a 1TB HDD ?? and therefore a 2TB would be recommended ?


    Do you work for PC world ?
    Originally posted by AndyPix

    lol no I don't work for them and I didn't use the term "significantly" in fact I questioned whether the OP would even notice. but yes these 5400hdds do slow down quite a bit with not as much data written to them as you would expect.
    Why do you think many diagnostics/performance testing packages offer 3 stage (start, middle and end of platter) tests on mech hdds?
    Seriously if any tech aware desktop users remember the 90s they will tell you 5400 drives went in the bin as soon as 7200 rpm drives became available at reasonable prices.
    The root of this problem is the old tech, this is compounded by modern hdds using very small sectors causing huge amounts of multiple seeks on the read/write head and the fact that most people don't leave laptops running allowing the correct defragmentation operations to run whilst the hdd also has to contend with many operations such as anti-virus scans constant updates from ms and many other programs over slow wifi all whilst the user is trying to do "stuff"
    I have seen relatively newish machines crawl to what I consider unusable because of the weight people unknowingly put on them.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 7th Sep 17, 1:30 PM
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    None of that justifies an upsell from 1TB to 2TB.
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