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    • jrpatten
    • By jrpatten 5th Sep 17, 5:23 PM
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    Smart Meters
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    • 5th Sep 17, 5:23 PM
    Smart Meters 5th Sep 17 at 5:23 PM
    I currently have British Gas smart meters installed in June 2017, however looking to move to a different company as the price for gas and electricity is rising quite a lot after my fix ends.

    Does anybody know if other companies use the same Smart Meters as British Gas? It will be a pain to have to go back to taking meter reading, or have to wait in again for another company to install different smart meters. It took British Gas 3 appointments to install them.

    If not, do any energy companies use the same meters?
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    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 5th Sep 17, 5:40 PM
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    This thread may answer your question.....

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5704876

    But the answer is probably not unless you are lucky and they have fitted the very latest versions.
    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 5th Sep 17, 6:01 PM
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    • 5th Sep 17, 6:01 PM
    I currently have British Gas smart meters installed in June 2017, however looking to move to a different company as the price for gas and electricity is rising quite a lot after my fix ends.

    Does anybody know if other companies use the same Smart Meters as British Gas? It will be a pain to have to go back to taking meter reading, or have to wait in again for another company to install different smart meters. It took British Gas 3 appointments to install them.

    If not, do any energy companies use the same meters?
    Originally posted by jrpatten
    British Gas use Landis and Gyr smart meters .They are accepted by everyone to act as dumb meters.They will not need exchanging unless you go to Ovo or Utilita who use the awful Secure Liberty keyboard meters.
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 5th Sep 17, 6:38 PM
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    what about sainsburies energy ? who is basicially BG ?
    • krisl
    • By krisl 5th Sep 17, 7:00 PM
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    With Sainsbury’s they’ll still work as smart meters, sending readings etc but some of the fancy BG website reports aren’t available via Sainsbury’s.

    However last time I checked Sainsbury’s weren’t offering any good pricing, and it was pretty much identical to BG.
    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 5th Sep 17, 9:23 PM
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    • 5th Sep 17, 9:23 PM
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    • 5th Sep 17, 9:23 PM
    With Sainsbury’s they’ll still work as smart meters, sending readings etc but some of the fancy BG website reports aren’t available via Sainsbury’s.

    However last time I checked Sainsbury’s weren’t offering any good pricing, and it was pretty much identical to BG.
    Originally posted by krisl
    BG were using Sainsburys for their best prices, a no frills cheaper option.
    They were up there near the top of the cheapest until OFGEM stuck its unwanted oar in and made them , and any other "white label " supplier, more or less the same as the mother supplier..so its OFGEMS fault once again.
    • consumers_revenge
    • By consumers_revenge 6th Sep 17, 8:25 AM
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    British Gas use Landis and Gyr smart meters .They are accepted by everyone to act as dumb meters.They will not need exchanging unless you go to Ovo or Utilita who use the awful Secure Liberty keyboard meters.
    Originally posted by House Martin
    Presume you don't have to have a smart meter fitted if you join ovo?
    • jmnathan
    • By jmnathan 6th Sep 17, 8:39 AM
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    I'm in the same boat as I plan to leave BG. I know my smart meter will become a "dumb" terminal when I leave, but will my usage monitoring still work from the device (presume I will no longer be able to use the fancy BG app and and it won't interface with my new supplier's app)?
    • jrpatten
    • By jrpatten 6th Sep 17, 9:21 AM
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    • 6th Sep 17, 9:21 AM
    Thank you for your replies. It seems crazy that the smart meter itself has not been standardised when they rolled out the technology, so that each company could just send you their own branded home device when you switch.

    I have enquired with eversmart (the top of the comparison list for me at the moment) and they said they would need to switch out the existing meters. Although looking at their website on the smart meter page, I have seen these same home device pictures used on many company websites, so maybe they are more common? Not sure what model they are.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 6th Sep 17, 10:11 AM
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    For reference here is what the liberty secure smart meter looks like
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 6th Sep 17, 12:20 PM
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    My meter is in the ground with a display on the top.


    Do they do a smart meter with a display on the top?


    or if I moved supplier, would I have to use a low tech solution like a mirror to get my reading :lol:
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 6th Sep 17, 11:35 PM
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    My meter is in the ground with a display on the top.


    Do they do a smart meter with a display on the top?


    or if I moved supplier, would I have to use a low tech solution like a mirror to get my reading :lol:
    Originally posted by AndyPK
    Hi

    I would suggest that placing meters underground would seriously impact communications with the DCC network which could be more than a little problematic for most considering the primary reason for the project! ...

    .... having said that, no matter where the installation location is, as long as the meter is fitted & the commissioning box is ticked, whether the comms work properly, intermittently, or it still needs to be read manually, effectively becomes irrelevant ... we'll all get landed with our contribution towards the the £500 bill & any issue gets placed into a queue to be sorted out later, some much later, others probably never! ...

    How things would have been different if DECC had used technology professionals and project managers with experience in successfully costing & delivering complex solutions on time & within budget ... the entire project could have cost comparatively next-to-nothing, but give the job to professional civil servants, get another complete ...

    Anyway, if the installers turn up and water starts flooding out of your cooker, then they've probably attached their smart-meter to your underground water supply ... ... job done, box ticked, any issues ring this number, bye! - so, who's next on the list to be mugged ?

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • AG MK50
    • By AG MK50 7th Sep 17, 3:45 AM
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    Similarly I have a smart meter fitted by British Gas.I was advised at the time that it could be used by other suppliers. Is this definitely not the case for Ovo?
    • molerat
    • By molerat 7th Sep 17, 7:52 AM
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    Similarly I have a smart meter fitted by British Gas.I was advised at the time that it could be used by other suppliers. Is this definitely not the case for Ovo?
    Originally posted by AG MK50
    Currently smart meters only communicate with the supplier that installed them through their own network. The 2nd phase of meters will communicate with a central hub linked to all suppliers. Your meter can be "used" by all suppliers, not as a smart meter though. Whether your meter will at a later date be able to communicate with the new system is up for debate.
    Last edited by molerat; 07-09-2017 at 8:06 AM.
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    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 7th Sep 17, 9:12 AM
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    For reference here is what the liberty secure smart meter looks like
    Originally posted by C_Mababejive
    Try using this U.S.A. made meter if you are poor sighted or very aged .Unbelievably bad design and very user unfriendly.
    Eon, one of the big six, who should have had more sense, have had the bare faced cheek to switch to them. They must be a rock bottom price compared to the Swiss Landis Gyrs. Cheap and nasty, like U.S. cars !

    Many meter readers give up with getting a reading from them in awkward positions. One press of the tiny button 9 sets the screen scrolling around at great speed. Ok if the meter is in an outside box at eye height, but try it in the far corner of the dark pantry on the floor behind the washing machine which has been jammed in amongst the ironing board and a hundred other things. Hopeless.
    This is how its used in the real world which Eon ,Ovo, Utilita do not live in.They have contempt for their customers to buy these awful meters and foist them onto an unsuspecting public.
    If there is a IHD supplied, I have never seen one. This suggests that they break easily or the fitters do not leave one.
    The first time I saw this meter five years ago, the young lady was switching back to BG because she could nt understand the prepayment meter Ovo supplied and was sick to death of it. Useless American junk meter IMO. They are designed for the U.S. market where they are probably sighted outside.
    Last edited by House Martin; 07-09-2017 at 8:21 PM.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 7th Sep 17, 10:54 AM
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    My meter is in the ground with a display on the top.


    Do they do a smart meter with a display on the top?


    or if I moved supplier, would I have to use a low tech solution like a mirror to get my reading :lol:
    Originally posted by AndyPK
    Yours is a semi concealed meter. As far as i know there isnt a semi con smart meter. Its possible to convert the housing to an above ground housing and fit a smart but i doubt/not sure if suppliers are prepared to do this.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 7th Sep 17, 12:49 PM
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    Yours is a semi concealed meter. As far as i know there isnt a semi con smart meter. Its possible to convert the housing to an above ground housing and fit a smart but i doubt/not sure if suppliers are prepared to do this.
    Originally posted by C_Mababejive
    No problem with semi concealed smart gas meters. I have seen quite a few but there are plenty of BG Landis and Gyr and Siemens push button E6 gas meters around used in semi concealed boxes because of their compact design..

    I always have to use a mirror to read them so the smarts with their IHD will be a doddle, until the IHD expires.

    Anyone with a semi concealed will be advised not to have a Liberty Secure meter used by Eon , Ovo and the other loser, Utilita. They are not suitable IMO
    Last edited by House Martin; 07-09-2017 at 2:34 PM.
    • Kittyboo
    • By Kittyboo 7th Sep 17, 4:07 PM
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    Not all meters are compatible.
    OVO Energy website said "If you're switching to OVO and you have a smart meter, it will only keep its functionality if you’re switching from providers that use Secure smart meters like ours"."However, even if you are switching from one of those energy companies, we still may not be able to communicate with their Secure smart meters. It will depend on the setup of the meters at the time you switch".
    I rang and spoke to OVO and explained I had a Smart Meter installed by BG last month and would it be compatible with OVO. I was told these are the "most technologically up to date meters" which OVO is unable to access at the moment but would be able to in the very near future (months). In the meantime, if I switched, I could sumit readings myself OR opt for one of their meters (which is technically a downgrade).
    Last edited by Kittyboo; 07-09-2017 at 4:08 PM. Reason: spelling error
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 7th Sep 17, 6:13 PM
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    Thanks for the info.

    So I definitely don't want a smart gas meter then, as I don't want a new white box bolted to the side of my house or have to use a mirror to read the meter when I have switched supplier.
    • Joyful
    • By Joyful 7th Sep 17, 10:19 PM
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    You can fit semi concealed smart meters. I was talking about them to a BT engineer last week. They are especially good for prepayment customers as often the SC ones get water in through the slot. Because the smart meters have no slot,this problem does not arise.
    I am an employee of British Gas.The views expressed on this post are mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of Centrica, its subsidiaries or affiliated companies.
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