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PCN Admin Centre Notice to Keeper/Hirer

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  • DollyPeach
    DollyPeach Posts: 39 Forumite
    edited 24 August 2017 at 9:43AM
    You've failed to mention that they dint invoke pofa at all. That's your real first point. They even confirm it in their rejection! Then you say even if popla tries to use pofa it fails because....

    They state they font use pofa. Pofa is the only means gif a keeper to be liable. Popla MUST uphold your appeal.

    Thank you.

    So if I add the bit below as point number 1 would that work?

    1) Non-POFA Notice to Keeper

    PCN Admin Centre has chosen not to use the provisions of POFA to hold the keeper liable, therefore has no ability to claim from me as the Registered Keeper.

    PCN Admin Centre admitted its mistake in attempting to misuse my data, and in trying to mislead me by suggesting that a registered keeper is liable for a non-POFA parking charge 'debt', and that I could be liable for escalated costs/legal fees.

    If PCN Admin Centre should try to suggest that there is any method outwith the prescribed statute (POFA 2012) whereby a registered keeper can be held liable for a charge where a driver is not identified, I would remind them of the words of Mr Henry Greenslade, the 2015 POPLA Chief Adjudicator who ensured consistency of decisions since 2012, whereby POPLA never found against a registered keeper where a clearly non-POFA Notice to Keeper was served, as in this case.

    The Lead Adjudicator reminded operators (and his team of Assessors, in their training) of the following facts about a keeper's right not to name the driver and, of course, still not be lawfully able to be held liable, under Schedule 4:

    https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/parking-review/news/46154/there-is-no-50-50-rule-for-private-parking-appeals-says-popla-s-michael-greenslade

    Understanding keeper liability

    “There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver.”

    The wording in the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 is as follows:

    ''Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle: 4(1) The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle. (2) The right under this paragraph applies only if—

    (a) the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6*, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met;

    *Conditions that must be met for purposes of paragraph 4:
    6(1) ''The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor)—

    (a)has given a notice to driver in accordance with paragraph 7, followed by a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 8; or

    (b)has given a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 9.

    The operator has failed to meet the second condition for keeper liability due to the multiple flaws in the NTK. Therefore, no lawful right exists to claim unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle as they have not met the required conditions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012. This too was confirmed by Mr Greenslade, POPLA Lead Adjudicator. in page 8 of the 2015 POPLA Report: ''If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    OK.

    Just state

    "The operator has chosen not to use POFA2012 in order to hold me, the Keeper, liable for this charge. This is confirmed not only through the deliberate omission of any POFA2012 required wording given in the NtK, but the eventual appeal rejection - given only after the intervention of the BPA - explicitly states "...." (include the quote) as can be seen in the photo of the rejection given at exhibit XYZ below.

    As such the operator has no ability to recover the PCN charge from myself, a keeper appellant, and POPLA must uphold the appeal as it does in cases where the operator has attempted to use POFA ad failed.

    You want a really short, simple first point, in my opinion.
  • DollyPeach
    DollyPeach Posts: 39 Forumite
    edited 24 August 2017 at 2:05PM
    OK.

    Just state

    "The operator has chosen not to use POFA2012 in order to hold me, the Keeper, liable for this charge. This is confirmed not only through the deliberate omission of any POFA2012 required wording given in the NtK, but the eventual appeal rejection - given only after the intervention of the BPA - explicitly states "...." (include the quote) as can be seen in the photo of the rejection given at exhibit XYZ below.

    As such the operator has no ability to recover the PCN charge from myself, a keeper appellant, and POPLA must uphold the appeal as it does in cases where the operator has attempted to use POFA ad failed.

    You want a really short, simple first point, in my opinion.

    Thank you for your help.

    I have put my new draft below:

    Dear POPLA,
    PCN Number: xxx
    POPLA Verification Code: xxx


    I write to you as the registered keeper of the vehicle xxxx, I submit the reasons below to show that I am not liable for the parking charge of £124 issued by PCN Admin Centre:

    1) Non-POFA Notice to Keeper

    2) PCN Admin Centre's Parking Charge Notice is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA) due to the dates and the wording omitted.

    3) The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge.

    4) No evidence of Landowner Authority

    5) No Contract was entered into between the PCN Admin Centre and the Driver or Registered keeper

    6) The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself


    1) Non-POFA Notice to Keeper


    The operator has chosen not to use POFA2012 in order to hold me, the Keeper, liable for this charge. This is confirmed not only through the deliberate omission of any POFA2012 required wording given in the Notice to Keeper (NTK), but the eventual appeal rejection - given only after the intervention of the BPA - explicitly states " We are not relying on POFA 2012 to pursue this parking charge notice." as can be seen in the photo of the rejection given at exhibit XYZ below

    As such the operator has no ability to recover the PCN charge from myself, a keeper appellant, and POPLA must uphold the appeal as it does in cases where the operator has attempted to use POFA and failed.


    2) PCN Admin Centre's Parking Charge Notice is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA) due to the dates and the wording omitted.

    Even if POPLA decide to assume the operator is attempting to hold the keeper liable, despite the clear evidence otherwise, they PCN Admin Centre have not complied with POFA2012.

    Under schedule 4, paragraph 4 of the POFA, an operator can only establish the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of a vehicle if certain conditions must be met as stated in paragraphs 5, 6, 11, and 12. PCN Admin Centre have failed to fulfil the conditions which state that an operator must have provided the keeper with a Notice to Keeper (NTK) in accordance with paragraph 9, which stipulates as mandatory, a set timeline and wording:-

    The notice must be given by:

    a) handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or
    b) sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.

    The applicable section here is (b) because the Parking Charge Notice/NTK that I have received was delivered by post. Furthermore, paragraph 9(5) states:
    ’’The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended’’.

    The Parking Charge Notice sent to myself as Registered Keeper was produced in their offices (never actually posted on that day, as is well known) showing a ‘date issued’ of 08/08/2017. This is over eight weeks after the alleged event, shown as 12/06/2017.

    This means that PCN Admin Centre have failed to act within the 14 day relevant period. Furthermore, it is clear that PCN Admin Centre know this because they have used the alternative version of their template ‘Parking Charge Notice’ – the one that has no reference to ‘keeper liability’ or the POFA on either the front or the back of the Parking Charge Notice/NTK .

    So, this is a charge that could only be potentially enforced against a known driver. The driver has never been admitted and there is no evidence as to the identity of that individual, which brings me to point #2:


    3) The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact liable for the charge.

    In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person

    Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay, not by POPLA, nor the operator, nor even in court

    I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a POFA-compliant NTK. Only full compliance with Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence that a keeper was the driver) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed by POPLA to be the liable party. The burden of proof rests with the Operator, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

    The vital matter of full compliance with the POFA was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:-

    Understanding keeper liability
    “There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle

    There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''

    No lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from a keeper, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the POFA. This exact finding was made in a very similar case with the same style NTK in 6061796103 v ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found

    ''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''

    4) No evidence of Landowner Authority

    As PCN Admin Centre does not have proprietary interest in the land then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what PCN Admin Centre is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only).
    Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules. A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement

    Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply. Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum in small print on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement

    Paragraph 7 of the BPA CoP defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

    7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

    7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:

    a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

    b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

    c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

    d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

    e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement


    5) No Contract was entered into between the PCN Admin Centre and the Driver or Registered keeper

    Although I was not the driver of the event, I would like to point out that the signs at the car park in question are unsuitable to inform drivers of the full terms and conditions of what they are entering into by physically entering the car park. PCN Admin Centre clearly relies on contract law, but does not do enough to make clear what the terms and conditions of the contract are, making it far too easy for people to unwittingly fall outside the terms of contract. It is not appropriate for a car park such as this to have such a limited amount of signs and rely on drivers to look carefully for where and how the terms are displayed. It is surely the responsibility of PCN Admin Centre to make the terms of their contract far clearer so that drivers have no doubt whatsoever of any supposed contract they may be entering into. I require PCN Admin Centre to provide evidence as to how clear the terms and conditions are and consider if the methods used are clear enough for this type of car park.

    Furthermore a contract can only be considered to be entered into if enough evidence exists that it actually happened. For a contract to have been entered into the driver would have had to get out of the car, read the signs, fully interpret and understand them and then agree to them. None of which ever actually happened.

    I request that PCN Admin Centre provide concrete evidence that a contract existed between themselves and the driver on the day in question, which meets all the legal requirements of forming a contract. They should include specific things including, agreement from both parties, clarity and certainty of terms etc. If they are not met then the contract would be deemed “unfair” under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations 1999.

    6) The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself

    There was no contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case.

    In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only:

    http://imgur.com/a/AkMCN

    In the Beavis case, the £85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges

    Here is the 'Beavis case' sign as a comparison to the signs under dispute in this case:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eYdphoIIDgE/VpbCpfSTaiI/AAAAAAAAE10/5uFjL528DgU/s640/Parking%2Bsign_001.jpg

    This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.

    Here, the signs are sporadically placed, indeed obscured and hidden in some areas. They are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read BEFORE the action of parking and leaving the car

    It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the POFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge which is hidden in small print (and does not feature at all on some of the signs). Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no full terms displayed - i.e. with the sum of the parking charge itself in large lettering - at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one

    This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision 5960956830 on 2.6.16, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:

    ''the signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. [...] In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space [...] The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal.''

    From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put the operator to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself

    The letters seem to be no larger than .40 font size going by this guide:

    http://www-archive.mozilla.org/newlayout/testcases/css/sec526pt2.htm

    As further evidence that this is inadequate notice, Letter Height Visibility is discussed here:

    http://www.signazon.com/help-center/sign-letter-height-visibility-chart.aspx

    ''When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2” letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3” or even larger.''

    ...and the same chart is reproduced here:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Outdoor-Dimensional-Sign-Letter-Best-Viewing-Distance-/10000000175068392/g.html

    ''When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall''

    ''...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance.

    So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.

    Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency'

    (1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.

    (2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.

    The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.

    This judgment is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports my argument, not the operator's case:

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2000/106.html

    This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.

    So, for this appeal, I put this operator to strict proof of where the car was parked and (from photos taken in the same lighting conditions) how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require this operator to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this.

    Yours faithfully
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    2) ..and the wording omitted I would say. Shows it is deliberate to exclude the wording
    You then dont jsut start off about it not being compliant - because in 1) you have sadi they dont even use it, so of course it wont adhere to POFA.
    Put an intro sentence along the lines of -.... even if POPLA decide to assume the operator is attempting to hold the keeper liable, despite the clear evidence otherwise, they have not complied with POFA....
  • Thank you again. I have edited my post above and changed the wording as suggested.
  • Just got a reply from BPA regarding my complaint that I was being denied the right to appeal as keeper and this is their response:

    Thank you for your e-mail.

    Our Code of Practice sets out that the motorist has 28 days from the issue of the initial Parking Charge Notice to appeal. Based
    on the information you have attached, the Parking Charge Notice appears to have been issued on 12/06/2017. Once the 28 days have elapsed (which would have been on 10/07/2017) it is at the operators discretion as to whether they hear your appeal or continue to pursue you.

    As we are a membership association, we are unable to become in individual disputes. We can, however, investigate any alleged breaches of our Code of Practice. Based on the information that you have provided, I have not identified a breach of our Code of Practice.

    I am sorry that I am unable to assist you further on this occasion.
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    edited 25 August 2017 at 8:02PM
    having read this thread from page 1 at no time have you mentioned being issued with a popla code , even when your appeal was rejected

    so the question is , have you received a popla code ? or not ?

    ps:- if the alleged "overstay" was only 11 minutes, it falls under clause #13 of the BPA CoP which allows TWO grace periods , one before of say 5 to 10 minutes, plus one after of OVER 10 minutes

    so you need a GRACE PERIOD appeal point included in the popla appeal
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 25 August 2017 at 11:19PM
    I think the POPLA code was on an appeal rejection letter attached to the email admitting they were wrong.
    as can be seen in the photo of the rejection given at exhibit XYZ below
    Make sure you embed a scan of that email into your appeal word document before you save it as a PDF.

    The BPA's reply is worthless and deserves to be forwarded to the DVLA with a specific complaint.

    Say in a follow-up email to Steve Clark at the BPA and David Dunford at the DVLA, that:

    The BPA are now pretending that a registered keeper cannot appeal when they get a Notice to Keeper. This is clearly not acceptable and the 'keeper liability' effects of the POFA were only allowed to be used by AOS members in late 2012, once the industry had put in place an 'independent' appeals system and not before.

    Just because a PPC decides not to use the POFA (a situation which was never the intention of Parliament) that gives them no excuse not to hear an appeal from the keeper within 28 days of the non-POFA NTK. To suggest otherwise is a scandal.

    To now deny keepers access to POPLA and/or for the BPA to state that AOS members can refuse to hear a keeper's appeal 'at their discretion' because the person didn't appeal to the NTD, is perverse and contrary to the clear instructions of the BPA and DVLA in 2014 that this conduct (only allowing drivers to appeal) was a breach of the Code.


    So, send a complaint to remind Mr Clark that in 2014 he did ask to be told about it happening again:


    Dear Mr XXXX,

    Thank you for your patience in this matter.

    The British Parking Association have now provided a response to myself.

    The BPA have confirmed that this practice should not be occurring (as we already knew) and have taken steps to address this behaviour throughout the industry as this may not be an isolated incident.

    The following message has now been issued by the BPA to all of their members...

    “the following practices may be considered as Code breaches and must not be continued:
    • Asking the motorist to enter into additional correspondence to obtain a POPLA code
    • Failing to include a correct and/or valid POPLA Code within the Rejection correspondence
    • Issuing a POPLA Code with a date identifier which is significantly different from the date of rejection
    • Appearing to indicate that the issue of a POPLA Code is conditional on driver details being supplied “
    I am hoping that this type of incident will not be occurring any more.

    I wish to thank you of bringing this matter to the DVLA’s attention and ultimately, the BPA’s.

    If you do encounter any further issues such as this, please do not hesitate to contact myself.

    Kind regards
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  • The BPA's response is embarrassing and is further evidence that the private parking "industry" is incapable of regulating itself.

    C-M - do you mean a follow up email to David Dunford at the DVLA? Could also copy in Steve Clark at the BPA just to highlight how incompetent his colleagues in the BPA Complaints Department really are.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Oh yes, my mistake (been very busy this week!). I mean Steve Clark at the BPA and David Dunford at the DVLA.
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