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    • M271
    • By M271 8th Aug 17, 6:48 PM
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    Next MSE Collective Switch Coming to an End
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    • 8th Aug 17, 6:48 PM
    Next MSE Collective Switch Coming to an End 8th Aug 17 at 6:48 PM
    I am currently on the MSE Collective Switch with BG which comes to an end on 3rd October. Will a another collective switch be launched before then (statement aimed at MSE reps) or should I just start looking at the best deals around 4 to 5 weeks before my deal comes to an end?
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    • sam1974
    • By sam1974 6th Sep 17, 2:46 PM
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    EDF online is cheaper than npower, before I take into account cashbacks. Mind my monthly use estimates is under half yours
    Originally posted by nic_c
    Electric useage 11939 - gas usage 7413 kWh

    Cannot fine good electric prices anywhere gas prices not much different tbh

    Anyone investigated ThePeoples Energy Company - looks to be one of the cheapest but doesn't appear in mse comparisons
    Originally posted by mrscirocco
    Not cheap here.

    British gas currently £1,381/year

    Npower quote £1,754/yr

    The people's energy quote £1,886.11
    • Altarf
    • By Altarf 6th Sep 17, 3:20 PM
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    No great rush, in fact it's better to stay on the BG fix as long as you can, as you are unlikely to beat it.
    This is what BG say about leaving them at the end if this tariff:

    If you decide to switch you’ll keep your current prices until:
    • you switch to one of our other tariffs within 20 working days after your current tariff ends or;
    • you switch to another supplier and they tell us you’d like to switch within 20 working days after your current tariff ends. The switch then needs to be completed in a reasonable time.
    I'll be waiting a while and then initiate the switch away (probably near the end of September, as new suppliers tend to let the cooling off period lapse before doing anything) and effectively extend the BG tariff a bit longer. Certainly avoids going onto their standard tariff.
    Originally posted by victor2
    As it says "they tell us you’d like to switch within 20 working days after your current tariff ends" that reads to me that if the new supplier tells them before the current tariff ends you don't get price protection even if the switch goes past the 3rd October.

    Which seems to mean that you can't apply to change too soon as they may notify before the 3rd, but can't leave it too long after the 3rd as the new supplier may not tell them within the 20 days.

    As for the switch being completed in a reasonable time, electricity supply always changes quickly, but for gas as I am supplied through an IGT so that always takes ages to transfer - the longest was about 9 months.
    • polymaff
    • By polymaff 6th Sep 17, 3:41 PM
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    Agree with victor2. I apply to the new supplier on the last day of my current tariff. Only once has the total time exceeded the 20 days - and then a plea to the old supplier meant that they extended the deadline - so no standard rate charges.
    • victor2
    • By victor2 6th Sep 17, 3:46 PM
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    As it says "they tell us you’d like to switch within 20 working days after your current tariff ends" that reads to me that if the new supplier tells them before the current tariff ends you don't get price protection even if the switch goes past the 3rd October.

    Which seems to mean that you can't apply to change too soon as they may notify before the 3rd, but can't leave it too long after the 3rd as the new supplier may not tell them within the 20 days.

    As for the switch being completed in a reasonable time, electricity supply always changes quickly, but for gas as I am supplied through an IGT so that always takes ages to transfer - the longest was about 9 months.
    Originally posted by Altarf
    I suppose you could interpret within to mean only during the 20 working days after the tariff ends, but that isn't the case, and elsewhere in the email it says:
    If you are thinking about switching from this tariff
    We hope you’ll decide to stay with us, but as your fixed contract is ending, you can move to a different supplier without any notice or paying an exit fee.
    Their definition of reasonable time could be stretched where an IGT is involved though...
    • wizk1
    • By wizk1 6th Sep 17, 3:51 PM
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    Anyone investigated ThePeoples Energy Company - looks to be one of the cheapest but doesn't appear in mse comparisons
    Originally posted by mrscirocco
    Sounds like the national energy supplier for North Korea
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Sep 17, 4:41 PM
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    As said above, it looks like the days of collective tariffs are finished; certainly the MSE EDF collective is very disappointing.

    The regional variations and level of consumption make a big difference to the choice of supplier/tariff these days.

    I live in the West Midlands area and have high consumption. I found for me the OVO 2 year fix was 'only' 4.2% more than the cheapest tariff(Toto)

    A pal of mine living in the Bristol area, with much lower consumption, found the same OVO tariff totally uncompetitive on price.
    Last edited by Cardew; 06-09-2017 at 5:16 PM.
    • sam1974
    • By sam1974 6th Sep 17, 5:11 PM
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    Pfffft collective fix is hardly a deal !

    WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PAYING £115/month £1,381/year

    npower - an extra £373/yr but you'll get £25 cashback
    Estimated new costs £1,754/yr - £146/month

    Various others inbetween, then:-

    EDF Energy - an extra £516/yr but you'll get £25 cashback
    Estimated new costs £1,897/yr - £158/month

    Really : obviously npower isn't one of the big six
    Originally posted by sam1974
    Just an update for anyone interested .....

    Have just gone ahead with a quote from TogetherEnergy £1635.04 With £50 cash back from Quidco / Lumo comparison site.

    £204 (inc cashback) more expensive than BG collective but cheaper than anything else I could find, especially for electric (11939 kWh per year!)

    Electric: 10.823 pence per kWh / Standing Charge 24.368
    Gas: 2.573 pence per kWh / Standing Charge 19.644 pence per day

    Reviews so far for TogetherEnergy don't look horrendous. I've previously been with ExtraEnergy who had terrible reviews. I never had any issues, even got my final bill payment refund really quickly without chasing.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 6th Sep 17, 5:33 PM
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    As it says "they tell us you’d like to switch within 20 working days after your current tariff ends" that reads to me that if the new supplier tells them before the current tariff ends you don't get price protection even if the switch goes past the 3rd October.

    Which seems to mean that you can't apply to change too soon as they may notify before the 3rd, but can't leave it too long after the 3rd as the new supplier may not tell them within the 20 days.

    As for the switch being completed in a reasonable time, electricity supply always changes quickly, but for gas as I am supplied through an IGT so that always takes ages to transfer - the longest was about 9 months.
    Originally posted by Altarf
    All this is covered fully in the Supply Licence that all suppliers have to comply with. If a supplier is notified via industry procedures that a transfer is in progress in the period contract end date up to 20 days post end of contract then price protection applies provided the transfer goes through in a reasonable period of time.

    IGT transfers are now fully automated following the roll out of Project NEXUS in May of this year. An IGT transfer should now take as long as a non-IGT transfer. Suppliers are required to take all reasonable steps to transfer your supply in 35 days from the application to switch (14 days cooling off period plus 21 days). If a transfer took 9 months then a complaint should have be made to consumeraffairs@ofgem.gov.uk
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 6th Sep 17, 5:45 PM
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    I've not read the full thread, but am another for being dismayed that this tarriff is advertised by that "cheeky fibber Martin" being the lowest of the big 6, to then find an identical offer from Npower much lower.

    I assume Npower will being doing rather well out of people currently searching these parameters.
    Originally posted by superbigal36
    A little unfair..... The cheapest deal for you depends on your usage and your postcode. I could have exactly the same usage per year as you but the deal that I am offered may not be as good as yours because of where I live. I know that this doesn’t make a lot of sense but the system goes back to the days when suppliers just supplied to the customers in their local area (eg; NORWEB). It follows that MSE now has to put a lot of caveats in the collective switches that it offers. If you want the cheapest energy then look for separate gas and electricity suppliers.
    • polymaff
    • By polymaff 6th Sep 17, 6:05 PM
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    A little unfair..... The cheapest deal for you depends on your usage and your postcode. I could have exactly the same usage per year as you but the deal that I am offered may not be as good as yours because of where I live.
    Originally posted by Hengus
    Not unfair at all. Advertisers should tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    MSE have repeatedly not told the whole truth about their collective switches when they have failed to add conditionality to their claims.

    I seem to remember a certain organisation being very critical of broadband suppliers quoting up to 8Mbit/sec without warning that, because of their distance from the exchange, some would NEVER get anything like 8Mbit/sec.

    What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
    • Konya
    • By Konya 6th Sep 17, 6:13 PM
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    Crikey. I have no idea where this last year went.
    It was a real pain switching from Eon to British Gas and now the thought that I need to change again makes me feel ill.
    My tinnitus has turned itself up to number 11

    What also bothers me is that whilst with British Gas I had one of their Smart Meters fitted. Aware that I would probably be leaving British Gas at some time in the future I asked the fitter whether the meter would be transferable. He said that BG don't own the meters they 'rent' them therefore my new supplier would take over the rent of said meter.
    Having now Googled the above I find it to be an untruth and my new meter will probably not work with the new company. Great!

    Unless any of you Gurus on here can tell me differently? (Here's hoping)

    Thanks in advance.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Sep 17, 6:17 PM
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    Crikey. I have no idea where this last year went.
    It was a real pain switching from Eon to British Gas and now the thought that I need to change again makes me feel ill.
    My tinnitus has turned itself up to number 11

    What also bothers me is that whilst with British Gas I had one of their Smart Meters fitted. Aware that I would probably be leaving British Gas at some time in the future I asked the fitter whether the meter would be transferable. He said that BG don't own the meters they 'rent' them therefore my new supplier would take over the rent of said meter.
    Having now Googled the above I find it to be an untruth and my new meter will probably not work with the new company. Great!

    Unless any of you Gurus on here can tell me differently? (Here's hoping)

    Thanks in advance.
    Originally posted by Konya
    It won't work as a 'Smart' meter, it will work as a 'dumb' meter.
    • Altarf
    • By Altarf 6th Sep 17, 6:30 PM
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    All this is covered fully in the Supply Licence that all suppliers have to comply with. If a supplier is notified via industry procedures that a transfer is in progress in the period contract end date up to 20 days post end of contract then price protection applies provided the transfer goes through in a reasonable period of time.
    Originally posted by Hengus
    Thanks.

    So if my understanding is correct, submitting an application to a new supplier a couple of days after the 3rd October should be fine as they should get the notification with the 20 days after the price change.


    IGT transfers are now fully automated following the roll out of Project NEXUS in May of this year. An IGT transfer should now take as long as a non-IGT transfer. Suppliers are required to take all reasonable steps to transfer your supply in 35 days from the application to switch (14 days cooling off period plus 21 days). If a transfer took 9 months then a complaint should have be made to consumeraffairs@ofgem.gov.uk
    Originally posted by Hengus
    It is good to know it is now automated. The 9 months was quite a few years ago when the system was frankly pathetic. I tried to change to one of the smaller companies and quite simply their systems couldn't cope. After 9 months they gave up (compensation was agreed).

    Even the last time I changed in 2016 from the Co-Op to British Gas the gas took a month longer to move than the electricity.
    • davethorp
    • By davethorp 6th Sep 17, 6:35 PM
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    Crikey. I have no idea where this last year went.
    It was a real pain switching from Eon to British Gas and now the thought that I need to change again makes me feel ill.
    My tinnitus has turned itself up to number 11

    What also bothers me is that whilst with British Gas I had one of their Smart Meters fitted. Aware that I would probably be leaving British Gas at some time in the future I asked the fitter whether the meter would be transferable. He said that BG don't own the meters they 'rent' them therefore my new supplier would take over the rent of said meter.
    Having now Googled the above I find it to be an untruth and my new meter will probably not work with the new company. Great!

    Unless any of you Gurus on here can tell me differently? (Here's hoping)

    Thanks in advance.
    Originally posted by Konya
    I left BG for npower a couple of weeks ago. My smart meters continued to work for a week or so but switched off about a week ago. Even the energy monitor doesn’t work which frankly I find rather bizarre as that would surely only need a local connection to the smart meter. Shouldn’t need anything from the supplier at all except to display price information

    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 6th Sep 17, 6:41 PM
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    Well, I've re-run the numbers and used a spreadsheet and it's looking likely that I'll be moving to Avro - the only supplier cheaper is Iresa, but I noticed the warning on the Cheap Energy Club about their customer service may be slipping.
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    • hubb
    • By hubb 6th Sep 17, 6:48 PM
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    Martian rolled out the collective emails this afternoon. I take it they are not the best deals ?
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 6th Sep 17, 6:55 PM
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    Martian rolled out the collective emails this afternoon. I take it they are not the best deals ?
    Originally posted by hubb
    Not for me with my annual consumption figures, no.

    You're best to check with your own to see whether or not the MSE collective is good for you - it does say in the email that it may not be, and it's limited to the first 25,000 applicants via MSE.
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?
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    • cammyloon
    • By cammyloon 6th Sep 17, 6:57 PM
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    I'm another one who's moving off the BG collective fix. I've used several comparison sites over the last few days. As others I've found, the "collective fix" EDF deal (at 20% more than the current BG fix for me, after CEC cashback) is more expensive than one available via those sites in recent days.

    I've opted to go with Together Energy (11% more than the current BG fix for me, after Quidco cash back on a comparison site (I've gone through energylinx - hope they're sound; they support the Switch With Which site)). It's a big of a risk, as a new and small company. And they don't appear on every comparison site, including CEC's. However, their quote was one of the cheapest available to me. And I'm attracted by the fact they're based in Clydebank, which deserves employment opportunities, and paying staff the Living Wage.

    Honourable mentions for me were Bulb (13% more than currently after Cashback); the OVO 2 year fixed deal, good value and good customer satisfaction levels (23% more than currently, after cash back). And also an interesting collective fix with SSE through CompareTheMarket (19% more than currently - cheaper than the EDF fix even after CEC's cash back; plus CtM's 2-4-1 cinema vouchers).
    • Konya
    • By Konya 6th Sep 17, 7:03 PM
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    It won't work as a 'Smart' meter, it will work as a 'dumb' meter.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Thank you for your reply.
    • Konya
    • By Konya 6th Sep 17, 7:05 PM
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    I left BG for npower a couple of weeks ago. My smart meters continued to work for a week or so but switched off about a week ago. Even the energy monitor doesn’t work which frankly I find rather bizarre as that would surely only need a local connection to the smart meter. Shouldn’t need anything from the supplier at all except to display price information
    Originally posted by davethorp
    I also find it bizarre.
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