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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
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    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 19th Jul 17 at 2:04 PM
    Since there seems to be a few new threads being started in case old ones are accidentally lost, shall I do the same for KonMari?

    Here's the links to the old threads with thanks to VfM4meplse and greent

    2016

    2015

    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.

    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.

    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.

    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.
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    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 15th Sep 17, 6:36 PM
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    VJ's mum - I have a fuschia pink 2 drawer filing cabinet which I LOVE!
    • kittie
    • By kittie 15th Sep 17, 6:49 PM
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    oh heck VJ, so the nasty stuff has backed up into the house and up the soil vent pipe, thr purpose of which is to release sewer gas. Dh often said to me that this happens regularly, when people and I don`t mean you, could have been ages ago, put items like dental floss down, cotton buds and worst of all are wipes of any sort. You had an extension built, also builders are known to have poured nasties down drains, plaster and the like. Maybe blockage could be cleared from the other end so that liquids at least run through and then it would have to be pressure washed and then examined with a camera scope to see if there is some permanent obstruction. You will get it sorted, just horrible while it is happening.

    I have been at it again, remembered about the five large good jigsaws that I had been collecting mostly from cs. I started one after dh died and it was so boring that I stopped. All offered to a dd for her mil, otherwise back to the cs they go and that has mostly cleared one small cupboard, so I have all these spaces appearing now, this morning I cleared mixed fibre from 4 boxes, none merino and not useful for felting, they are gone too. I don`t think of the past cost, maybe just a temporary twinge of guilt but hey ho
    Last edited by kittie; 15-09-2017 at 6:54 PM.
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 15th Sep 17, 6:56 PM
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    "Does this spark joy?"

    This question is not simply or solely about the object, but asks"Who are you?" And that is a very deep question, with profound ramifications. How many of us really know who we truly are? Not the labels: the daughter, the wife, the organised-one, or the ditzy one.... Who - truly - am I?

    Who am I?

    How do I feel? About myself? Others? The world?


    How do I feel about this object? Where do those feelings originate? Why does this object mean this? What does it signify?


    Recognizing our true selves ( our joys, sorrows and fears ) is vital for our own emotional, mental and physical health. Choosing joy and letting go of fear ( and acknowledge those whys and wherefores) is incredibly powerful.


    Me and my joy can tell Mr Sanctimonious to push off 😉
    • catshark88
    • By catshark88 15th Sep 17, 8:17 PM
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    Best wishes and hugs to Charley.

    I'm annoyed at Becker now (having read the comments on here). The Decluttering Army should all be working together, to support and encourage, not to make people sad or question themselves (in a bad way). Pompous git of a bloke....
    "Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful." William Morris
    • maryb
    • By maryb 15th Sep 17, 8:23 PM
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    Yes, so just - yes!!

    I have spent so much of my life trying to decide who I "am". And I have about four different personae and they all needed shopping for!!

    Something as simple as deciding whether something sparks joy is really all about catching our real selves reacting
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • iamsalt
    • By iamsalt 15th Sep 17, 8:55 PM
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    Hugs Charly xx
    2017 the year of learning new skills and mortgage reduction.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 16th Sep 17, 7:07 AM
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    ((((charly27)))) I'm very sorry to hear about your Dad and sending you and your siblings all good wishes at this sad time.

    I've been reading the becomingminimalist blog for some years but have become a tad disenchanted by it, for the same reason that I have drifted away from The Minimalists.

    I do not have a fancy, celebrated or exciting life. I'm more than OK with that, I'm a homebody who's never happier than at home with a cuppa and a book, or pottering about on her allotment, or hanging out with pals in one of their homes.

    I don't want to save the world (impossible aspiration anyway, and a hiding to nowhere in terms of personal happiness) and I don't want to be made, even by implication, to feel bad for not wanting to try.

    Here's a linkie to a lovely article, found via the simplicityvoices consolidation site, which I find uplifting and which some of us may enjoy: https://tinybuddha.com/blog/stop-chasing-success-start-enjoying-life/

    Today, I am spending a few hours with another pal, the one with the juntique shop, which has more than ample opportunities for kondo-ing and a superior quality of clutter; marble busts, brass shell cases, swords and bayonets, old crockery, crystals and horsebrasses and a whole category of Misc unlike any Misc most of us will have seen before. He recently told me he has an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner, which I have not seen in any of the rooms inc the cellar, so I thought I might try and find it as I've never had a go with one before and one ought to play with new toys when one gets a chance, hmmm?
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Wednesday2000
    • By Wednesday2000 16th Sep 17, 8:33 AM
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    Hi Wednesday. Have you tried cleaning the grout with this and an old toothbrush? And don't use a lot as it'll foam rather than scrub ...

    Good luck!
    Originally posted by Sj62
    That is a good idea. I can't remember what I did with it now, I know it's out of the house!

    Today I spent my birthday money in advance! I have bought a portable dvd with a remote control. The sole purpose is so I can do Tai Chi and follow my fitness dvds in the kitchen in the evenings while DH can be left in peace in the living room. Our house has only 2 rooms downstairs so it is a bit tricky to not get in each other's way! but I am slowly losing weight, being more active etc and now is the time to really ramp up the effort and I am realy excited by my purchase
    Originally posted by MMF007
    Oh, I was thinking about trying Tai Chi! I was looking on YouTube but I was wondering if I should do a proper course first.

    I know what you mean as my house only has two downstairs rooms too.
    "It doesn't cost any more to dream big."
    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 16th Sep 17, 9:43 AM
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    Wednesday, I went to a taster Tai Chi event that was held outdoors and was surprised to find that
    i) the hour went very quickly (I mean it was all so tranquil but when we stopped I assumed it was half-time but no, an hour had gone by!),
    ii) although it was not at all 'energetic' and the positions did not strain anything, I could feel that I had worked my muscles the next day, which was interesting in itself.
    iii) there is one movement that feels soooooo good to my back muscles, it is spot on.

    I just bought 2 dvds that introduce the various stances (the 24 to start with, there are more, but I struggle to remember the 24 !). It is a really lovely form of exercise and watching the introduction was a real eye-opener. The starting stance is nothing like you expect, and is all about having a relaxed stance as opposed to 'standing up straight' as one might imagine.
    I think the principle is to keep moving and stretching because while you may concentrating on moving your arms from one stance to another you are also changing your balance and moving your feet. You don't stand still, but move from one shape to another throughout the session.
    It is quite fascinating. *
    * With profuse apologies to those who really know about Tai Chi. I have not studied it and am an absolute beginner, these are my gut reactions!
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • Wednesday2000
    • By Wednesday2000 16th Sep 17, 9:54 AM
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    Wednesday, I went to a taster Tai Chi event that was held outdoors and was surprised to find that
    i) the hour went very quickly (I mean it was all so tranquil but when we stopped I assumed it was half-time but no, an hour had gone by!),
    ii) although it was not at all 'energetic' and the positions did not strain anything, I could feel that I had worked my muscles the next day, which was interesting in itself.
    iii) there is one movement that feels soooooo good to my back muscles, it is spot on.
    Originally posted by MMF007
    Thanks, that is interesting. It sounds perfect for me actually as I do need to get more flexible.
    "It doesn't cost any more to dream big."
    • kittie
    • By kittie 16th Sep 17, 10:56 AM
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    I loved tai chi, last did a course over 15 years ago. Something I will be taking up again after moving, so good for body and mind

    A quick removal of all bar one, gardening books and paleo books that I tried for a very short time. Into the cs bag with them and driving to dd to offload some things, soon. I lost another lb on the scales this morning, I don`t weigh myself often but a total of one stone now, very slowly, down to cycling, being busy and my food eg I ate the rest of my divine chocolate months ago and now only have one small bit of 85% chocolate, which zaps any choc craving. I used to order a box of 12 bars (cringe)

    All this kondo has very much helped me mentally, to say goodbye to this house, I never thought that would happen but the whole process has been about letting go. I so want to find that new house, there is nothing coming on the market but like with MK, I will put myself in the hands of the karma flow, call it fate
    Last edited by kittie; 16-09-2017 at 11:01 AM.
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 16th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
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    Loving the thread. *This* thread is so often inspirational, never mind big-heads from BlogLand.
    Retired August 2016
    • Floss
    • By Floss 16th Sep 17, 11:20 AM
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    Kittie, your new house is waiting for you - it will appear when the time is ready
    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 16th Sep 17, 11:25 AM
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    Loving the thread. *This* thread is so often inspirational, never mind big-heads from BlogLand.
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    Yeah! Go us!!

    Just had a little talk with DH and suggested we go through his pile of gardening mags to extract a few articles then release the bulk. He has fetched them all downstairs, said he can't be bothered going through them and woukd I (!??) take them to give them away. Whoa, have the aliens landed and taken him over??
    Now to tackle ( pun intended) the football programs......

    I am also pushing my luck, striking while iron's hot, 'n all that - going to try and help him deal with his excess clothes, such as office wear he won't use again. Cover me, I'm going in!
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 16th Sep 17, 11:36 AM
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    Kittie and Elona, great news on the weight loss.
    • carrielovesfanta
    • By carrielovesfanta 16th Sep 17, 1:30 PM
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    Hi folks

    Charly - sending my thoughts to you and yours x

    About to read the controversial minimalists post, but from what you guys have said about it, it does occur to me that the purpose of The Minimalists, is obviously, to be minimalist. The purpose of KonMari may lead you towards minimalism but isn't about being minimalist. The reduction of "stuff" is merely a by-product of realising that there are things that can leave.

    I notice this on the KonMari Facebook page often... people ask "is 10 pairs of trousers too many?", "how many pairs of pyjamas should I have?". This answer is "the number that brings you joy"! And joy may take many forms.

    Take myself. I have a real joy in all my pretty dresses. I love to wear them and look at them. There are about 20-25 dresses and it would bring me great joy to have even more. However, it would NOT bring joy to have the wardrobe overstuffed or overflowing, so dresses will be kept to a sensible level.

    On another note it was KM round 2 on the shed. Another (small estate) car full of carp has left. Some things that had died in storage (but were already in the shed when we moved in). Some things uncovered to be used in the future.

    clf x
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    • iamsalt
    • By iamsalt 16th Sep 17, 2:43 PM
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    Afternoon.

    I also find this a really positive thread which everyone is supported to take things at their own pace and encouraged to take whatever works for them from kondoing.

    My home move saga continues, although I have had a productive day at the in-between house, checking some power tools we have moved there and releasing those that have died in storage at mums, another carful to the recycling centre from the shed and greenhouse.

    We came home and like mmf007 the aliens have replaced my OH and I was asked to help clear out the shed prior to moving. It has until now been "his" shed and any helpful suggestions of mine that the paint tins of the colours now long gone could be released were met with a firm no, UNTIL TODAY! Oh happy day, one shelf 8' long is now clear!!
    I am pleased that they won't be moving with us when the time eventually comes.
    S x
    2017 the year of learning new skills and mortgage reduction.
    • Knit Witch
    • By Knit Witch 16th Sep 17, 3:11 PM
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    Just sending hugs to Charly27
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    • firebubble
    • By firebubble 16th Sep 17, 3:22 PM
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    I read the controversial posts with interest, but I think the Becker post shows he doesn't understand the difference between 'joy' and 'happiness'. Happiness seems to me a goal, rather like the horizon, whereas joy is immediate and in the moment. Happiness might be the idea of a cosy home, whereas joy is actually returning to that cosy home. To me, they are not the same thing.

    I also thought he was rather pompous in his idea about 'life purpose' - the thing anyone has to grasp when they are decluttering is acceptance of who they are now, and how they live now. If you can't grasp this, you can't declutter, because you'll be keeping things because they used to be useful/loved by your past self, or you'll be shopping for your aspirational future self. Life purpose is just another future self, which doesn't exist.

    I think this is why decluttering is a process, because acceptance of our current self is not easy, and can take time. We might not know who that person is if there is too much past and future stuff obscuring it - we've been encouraged by the advertising industry to only exist in either one of these states. A while ago I read Gretchen Rubins 'Happiness Project' - one step is decluttering, but there was a related point where she talks about accepting the truths of adulthood, and how this involves acceptance that she's never going to be an astronaut or an opera singer, but which once you start accepting who you won't be (and therefore you start accepting who you are) filters down to much smaller things like acceptance that she doesn't like wearing coloured t shirts, so she can let those go and only buy white t shirts.

    I loved the post GQ linked to about succcess, and agree that the Minimalists aren't as interesting as they used to be. I don't like that minimalism has been hijacked by the white room and nothing else brigade, as I think everyone on this thread is a minimalist, because I think it's about not having excess, rather than what anyone 'should' have (any 'shoulds' mean we're talking again about a future self).
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 16th Sep 17, 4:34 PM
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    Wise words, firebubble, wise words.

    There seems to be a narrative of minimalism developing in the blogosphere and in allied print media. It's as if one has to have a backstory which involves having had (and having willingly given up) a six-figure salary, live with 100 (preferably fewer) items, having a sparsely-furnished-with-expensive-modern-furniture & white-painted-wall home, be a location-independant tech nomad who travels from country-to-country and who lives out of a backpack etc etc........

    Now, the only way I could claim a six figure salary is if I counted it to two decimal places (and I'd still have change from 12k a year ), I regard a backpack as suitable for a light amble around town, my tech skills are rudimentary and I have no clue how to use the camera on my dumb-phone and no interest in finding out, and I probably have more than 100 things on my desk, never mind in my whole flat (full disclosure, this dwelling's walls are yellow. Apart from the kitchen, which is pink-ish).

    I enjoy minimalism as an aesthetic movement but, being a messy puppy, and pretty sure it isn't for me IRL. Not to mention that as I live in a very small flat, I'd have to own almost nothing at all and I'm not interested in going there - real poverty is a recent enough memory to make faux poverty appalling not appealing.

    KM has helped me to think about what I want to keep and why I want to keep it. Because I like it is a perfectly valid reason, whether I call it joy or not. Equally, unless it does something which needs to be done and for which I have no substitute, releasing something because I don't like it is also a perfectly valid position. Plus, I have become less attached to some things, and less emotionally involved with them, which is a new thing for me, and an interesting phenomenon to self-observe.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

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