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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
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    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 19th Jul 17 at 2:04 PM
    Since there seems to be a few new threads being started in case old ones are accidentally lost, shall I do the same for KonMari?

    Here's the links to the old threads with thanks to VfM4meplse and greent

    2016

    2015

    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.

    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.

    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.

    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.
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    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 11th Sep 17, 9:19 PM
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    Daisy, my MIL bought me a 10-pack of knee highs in grey. I thanked her and wore them occassioanlly. She then gave me another 10-pack, also grey. I have no idea why anyone would need 20 pairs of grey knee highs
    They were some of the first things to be released!

    You will probably feel happy to keep 4 or 5 pairs of tights/hold ups? Seems sensible, if you are going to wear them! If you will never wear them release them. Someone will be very glad to find brand new tights in CS. Many employers have strict dress codes and anyone starting a new job will be thankful to keep costs down.

    I do have a question about tights though..... I have bought a lovely, smart skirt in Sains sale (£4.80!), but it needs thick tights in winter. I don't like wearing tights AND I am short and, well, fat! So, which brand of thick Black tights would work for me??

    Lovely post, Catshark, you are spot on! We reduced our income, changed our buying habits and prefer holidays to extra possessions (skirts bought in the sale excluded!).
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 11th Sep 17, 9:35 PM
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    I'm taking a week off kondoing, because I need to get back in the school routine first, assessing storage needs. I've already noticed that dd1 was given two tasks that she can take a week to finish, as opposed to the normal next-day-return, so we need somewhere to put the paper for these longer tasks.
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    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 11th Sep 17, 9:58 PM
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    Catshark welcome, join in and keep us going !

    Mmf, hard to say whats good nowadays since my newest must be 20 year old, some kind person on here will know tho, between us all I think we know everything. I'm like u, 5'3-and-a-half on a good day and with a good grip on the ground. I find tights that fitted when I was slimmer now dont have the stretch to go round the wider legs and hips. The larger sizes that are fine on the stretch are too long and go Nora Batty round the ankles. That's one reason I don't like them - always having to hoick them up. Ive always prefered long skirts and boots then I wear socks. In fact on my wedding day (days, ahem ����) I wore long dresses and ankle socks altho they were the lacy kind with extra lace round the tops rather than white sports socks. (That was cute when I was young and slim at 19 and again at 24 lol, not quite so cute now im overweight and 51but it doesn't stop me lol).

    Good luck on getting thru all those knee highs lol. V handy 20 pairs lol !!! God love mils.

    Daisy xx
    "Never save something for a special occasion. Every day in your life is a special occasion" Take hold of every moment by anon

    The difference between what you were yesterday and what you will be tomorrow is what you do today
    • catshark88
    • By catshark88 11th Sep 17, 10:14 PM
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    There is a very interesting book "Goodby Things" by Fumio Sasaki, who takes the minimalist living idea a bit further.

    Someone jokingly described it as "ID the things you love, then throw them away anyway". It is fascinating because it is influenced both by the very high rental prices of flats in Japan, but also the attitude created post the last big earthquake. You treasure things less if they could fall off the wall in a tremor and kill you.

    It's too hard core a way of living for me, but elements really made me think. You keep what matters to the person you are at your core, but nothing that presents an idea of "who you'd like people to think you are". E.g. If you love art, have lots of books (that you actually have read and will re-read) about art, but don't keep art books on your shelf in an attempt to impress people.

    On reflection, its prob this chap, rather than MK who led to us choosing a house that we would never have considered before (much cheaper than our budget, but ticks all the boxes that really matter to us as a family).

    It's on kindle.
    "Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful." William Morris
    • kittie
    • By kittie 12th Sep 17, 6:51 AM
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    I watched I Daniel Blake in bed last night and it moved me so much, helped my KM efforts no end, knowing that much of what I give to the cs will go to people who struggle. Many people are just a few breaths away from what Daniel went through but whoever buys them, knowing that my things help to make people comfortable at the end of their lives, that is enough

    I have a brand new cake tin, a good make, makes an apple cake in the shape of an apple. Silly buy for me, I`ll thank it and let it go. Some lock n locks are in my trolley, I don`t know why but I find those very difficult to release, I think it is the `what if` syndrome but I believe I can reduce them if I do a few at a time. Later this morning I will start on my herbs (medicinal) and I`ll just be keeping those most useful to me. Seems like another KM phase has started
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 12th Sep 17, 7:46 AM
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    Morning all.

    Hello and welcome, catshark88, two very thoughtful and interesting posts, I am so glad that KM has helped you and your family towards a happier mode of life. Welcome to the thread.

    kittie, re donating your L&L boxes, all mine are from charity shops, different ones over the years, including the bowl one which I use for my daily packed salad lunch at work. I was thrilled to bits to get L&Ls secondhand and very grateful to the anonymous people who donated them. You will be similarly thanked across the ether by strangers.

    I've always had a bit of an interest in Japan, and in Zen Buddhism as a philosophical viewpoint. One thing which resonates with me is the Zen koan; Now that my storehouse has burned down, I can see the rising moon.

    Simple, beautiful and true.

    Many of us have had the experience of clearing out a loved one's goods and chattels after they have died. Sometimes that of one person within a household which is still going to be running, sometimes breaking up a whole home and dispersing its contents to the four winds. Those who haven't been there yet, will know people who have, and will be there someday.

    What struck me during the emptying of my Nan's two bedroom bungalow (her home of fifty years) was the amount of totally unused items. Nan was not a hoarder, not a greedy person, not even more than very modestly comfortable on state pension after a typical working-class life, where money was always tight.

    What did we find? Lots of pairs of unused stockings still in their packets, a brand-new sheet still in its packet, which had obviously been put away for Justin and forgotten entirely, as she had instructed her daughter to go and buy one just like it, tea towels which had never been used, a set of crockery which my parents had bought her (she asked for such a gift and actually chose the set herself) which had lived in the cupboard and only had a couple of outings whilst she continued to use the old, dinged and mis-matched secondhand plates.............

    I could go on but you get the picture, I'm sure.

    Many of these items are now in the hands of close family, the ones which would not serve our purposes have been donated, but the sadness is that she chose these items, paid for them herself or had them as gifts and didn't get to enjoy them.

    I'm going to make a real effort to only have things which I enjoy and use, and to identify and release the rest to people who can use them.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Wednesday2000
    • By Wednesday2000 12th Sep 17, 8:01 AM
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    There is a very interesting book "Goodby Things" by Fumio Sasaki, who takes the minimalist living idea a bit further.

    Someone jokingly described it as "ID the things you love, then throw them away anyway". It is fascinating because it is influenced both by the very high rental prices of flats in Japan, but also the attitude created post the last big earthquake. You treasure things less if they could fall off the wall in a tremor and kill you.
    Originally posted by catshark88
    I've read about that movement in Japan, very interesting.
    "It doesn't cost any more to dream big."
    • PollyWollyDoodle
    • By PollyWollyDoodle 12th Sep 17, 8:29 AM
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    Great to have some more people posting about how KM has helped them, it keeps me going (and I did the whole house, but I still keep finding areas to revisit!). Very little comes in these days but I'm very aware that I need to go through the wardrobe again as I've still got too many items. Some things didn't get worn this year and will have to go. I'm struggling with shoes, posh ones I wore to a wedding - I'm unlikely to wear them for anything else but they have a matching bag (SO not me!).

    I buy supermarket tights, usually XL size and opaque/high denier, I always get opaque because of my hideous varicose veins. Loathe putting them on but occasionally I need to wear a skirt and shoes.

    If I'm wearing boots then like Daisy, I wear thermal leggings and ankle socks - so cosy and easy to wear. However I have been caught out once or twice when visiting clients at home who have asked me to take my shoes off - it's hard to look professional in leggings and brightly coloured socks!
    "Inconceivable". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 12th Sep 17, 8:44 AM
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    Morning all.

    What struck me during the emptying of my Nan's two bedroom bungalow (her home of fifty years) was the amount of totally unused items. Nan was not a hoarder, not a greedy person, not even more than very modestly comfortable on state pension after a typical working-class life, where money was always tight.

    What did we find? Lots of pairs of unused stockings still in their packets, a brand-new sheet still in its packet, which had obviously been put away for Justin and forgotten entirely, as she had instructed her daughter to go and buy one just like it, tea towels which had never been used, a set of crockery which my parents had bought her (she asked for such a gift and actually chose the set herself) which had lived in the cupboard and only had a couple of outings whilst she continued to use the old, dinged and mis-matched secondhand plates.............

    I could go on but you get the picture, I'm sure.

    Many of these items are now in the hands of close family, the ones which would not serve our purposes have been donated, but the sadness is that she chose these items, paid for them herself or had them as gifts and didn't get to enjoy them.

    I'm going to make a real effort to only have things which I enjoy and use, and to identify and release the rest to people who can use them.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen

    Absolutely resonating with me this beautiful autumn morning. As I walked the big dog today I was pondering my tights. The barely worn and the new ones I don't want to 'waste' and i was trying to think how many i should keep and how i could dispose of the others without just bucketing them. It is ludicrous that some of these have moved with me to this, possibly their 5th home, still unused, unwanted and unloved. So by this age I know what I will and won't wear. I won't think of the fact that I also spent years not having much disposable income and yet spent 'good money' on these things to then store and transport them. They will go. And I am glad for them being there in case I had needed them over the years, but I can trust that I will be in a position to rebuy if I need more than the colourful ones and maybe 2 pairs of boring ones that will be kept.

    I'm fed up using stuff I don't like, that 'will do' and would be 'a waste' to get rid of when ive got stuff i love which i 'keep for good'. Why do i feel is it better to hold onto Stuff in my cupboards endlessly, than for some stuff to be chucked out ? I'm surely worth more than being the equivalent of the local tip? As long as I dispose of what I can to charity shops, to recycling, to others that can use them, as long as I am not chucking things out in the rubbish this week and going out buying more Stuff that will get chucked out next week then a one-off cull through the things already manufactured, already in the world, that I already own will not see the end of civilisation as I know it. I don't need to be stymied by the indecision of holding onto things whilst trying to think of the perfect place to get rid of it to.


    Breathe, relax, get over yourself daisy and let go. Repeat as required: "Sending some stuff off to the tip does not make me a bad person. Using my lovely belongings is A Good Thing. Other people can be trusted to deal responsibly with my Stuff"

    Energised Daisy xxx

    (Think I might reread pink candle again to really embed this)
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    • Moneysaverme
    • By Moneysaverme 12th Sep 17, 9:36 AM
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    DAISY,

    Your tights inventory post from last night really made me chuckle. Thank you for the laughs!

    MMF007, I have one pair of Pretty Polly thick black tights that I acquired from my sister. They are fab quality, don't fall down and actually make me feel slim. Not sure of the price, probably more expensive than the cheapie useless ones but they feel as though they will last. You might want to take a look. Better one worthwhile enjoyable pair than a multitude of rubbish annoying ones.
    Weight loss 2017 - 27.5 lbs
    • kittie
    • By kittie 12th Sep 17, 10:12 AM
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    Breather time for me and am appreciating that carrying on with MK is for me also prepping, hence me posting on both threads. That clock will not stop ticking and the older one gets, the faster it goes, so MK is, for me, a method of getting rid of the hurdles on that road which could very well stop my enjoyment of my future life, which will be different, we all know that and now, at my age, I cannot chuck that thought under the carpet

    The kondo magic worked again this morning, I am sorting my herbs (medical) and have re-packed a few into kilner jars to join the others which I am keeping. Out with the random packages and in with labelled neatness. During the process I looked at the lock n locks in my wall cupboards and now I know exactly which of the rectangular sizes I will be keeping, these were the sizes I had most mental trouble with. These kitchen cabinets are not as deep as the normal ones and everything is in a single layer. Whatever happens when I buy a house, this will be similar to my kitchen layout in the future

    Back to it now, washing blowing on the line, all downstairs windows cleaned inside and out. Long may the energy continue
    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 12th Sep 17, 10:19 AM
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    Any ideas where I can re-home a set of very sharp steak knives???
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 12th Sep 17, 10:21 AM
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    I'm fed up using stuff I don't like, that 'will do' and would be 'a waste' to get rid of when ive got stuff i love which i 'keep for good'. Why do i feel is it better to hold onto Stuff in my cupboards endlessly, than for some stuff to be chucked out ? I'm surely worth more than being the equivalent of the local tip? - Daisy


    YES!
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    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 12th Sep 17, 10:47 AM
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    DAISY,

    Your tights inventory post from last night really made me chuckle. Thank you for the laughs!

    MMF007, I have one pair of Pretty Polly thick black tights that I acquired from my sister. They are fab quality, don't fall down and actually make me feel slim. Not sure of the price, probably more expensive than the cheapie useless ones but they feel as though they will last. You might want to take a look. Better one worthwhile enjoyable pair than a multitude of rubbish annoying ones.
    Originally posted by Moneysaverme
    Excellent advice, thanks, I shall look out for them.

    Daisy, you are so right! Why do we keep Stuff that is weighing us down? Why not make space for the joyful and/or really useful, things that give us pleasure and release the rest to somewhere it can be re-used, recycled or, darn it, just jolly well got rid of out of my precious space!

    Household jobs today. Whilst doing a quick tidy I realised I have a fairly large 'reed diffuser' bottle that is nearly empty. It takes up a disproportionate space. I decanted the oil into a small tealight holder (no need to panic, I am not going to set light to it!), washed out the large bottle and put it in the recycling.

    Weirdly, this little task made me feel so liberated

    Right, off to implement more tidying magic, I love it!
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 12th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
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    Loving the new posters and the current topics of discussion ...

    Oh my. Tights! I thought I'd been through them. But I have a couple of dozen in an underbed storage box, I know I have including many, yes, in packets, never even opened. I've worn a few pairs of black tights over the years, but truthfully, *all* the browns etc can be let go - I don't even know what the "right" colours are these days

    We were able to really understand what matters to us and this is leading to a house move and lifestyle changes that we wouldn't have considered before.
    Originally posted by catshark88
    Love this!

    You will probably feel happy to keep 4 or 5 pairs of tights/hold ups? Seems sensible, if you are going to wear them! If you will never wear them release them. Someone will be very glad to find brand new tights in CS. Many employers have strict dress codes and anyone starting a new job will be thankful to keep costs down.
    Originally posted by MMF007
    That never occurred to me! My town is a pretty well-off commuter town, but the food bank is more active than ever - I think there's quite a bit of poverty round here thats really well hidden

    Breather time for me and am appreciating that carrying on with MK is for me also prepping, hence me posting on both threads.
    Originally posted by kittie
    I agree kittie, they fit together extremely well.

    That clock will not stop ticking and the older one gets, the faster it goes, so MK is, for me, a method of getting rid of the hurdles on that road which could very well stop my enjoyment of my future life, which will be different, we all know that and now, at my age, I cannot chuck that thought under the carpet
    It's a very valid thought.

    I can't get rid of books all in one go - but I keep looking at the bookshelf and "weighing" things. I have a travel book themed around coffee that I'm loathe to part with, I love that book. But I also have what amounts to a picture book about coffee. It's more than that, but it's not half as personal as the travel book, and its just the kind of thing you can find on a promo website these days, so its going, with a glad heart


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    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 12th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
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    Any ideas where I can re-home a set of very sharp steak knives???
    Originally posted by silvasava
    The local pub?
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 12th Sep 17, 11:26 AM
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    My mum used to say Mr Colman made his profit from the bits left on the side of the plate and Coats from the thread snippings. Maybe tights manufacturers make theirs from all the ones we buy and keep in their packaging lol

    Keep carrying on carrying on everyone xxx
    "Never save something for a special occasion. Every day in your life is a special occasion" Take hold of every moment by anon

    The difference between what you were yesterday and what you will be tomorrow is what you do today
    • PollyWollyDoodle
    • By PollyWollyDoodle 12th Sep 17, 1:17 PM
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    Brilliant, Daisy! I'd heard the one about Colman's but not about Coats!

    Kittie, you're so right. Even though I'm still not retirement age - and I may never be if they keep moving it! - I'm conscious that time is ever at my heels, and these tasks aren't going to get any easier. The older I get, the more I want to enjoy the moment and not spend it cleaning, tidying, or more likely looking at the mess and feeling defeated! I do still have some hotspots and messy areas but I get a little skip in my heart when I look at my spare room these days - I could make up the bed for a guest in minutes, no bags of craft stuff, boxes of paperwork or other miscellaneous junk.

    The best thing for me has been cleaning - I still don't do it very often but when I do it takes half the time!
    "Inconceivable". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 12th Sep 17, 1:19 PM
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    I only tend to wear tights under trousers in the winter when its cold. I have two pairs of 'sheers' for evening/formal and about 4 pairs of lovely thermal tights I bought in Aldi last year - 2 pairs black and 2 pairs navy. Its enough!
    Kondoed a large carrier bag of apples and two cucumbers to a neighbour. Rescued DH's old paragliding suit from the cat! Its now been washed and will be rehomed when its dry - bound to be of use to someone even as a ski suit, also discovered a boot tidy in the bottom of the wardrobe kept for Justin - well Justin wants it so its now in my boot doing what it should!
    Just realised that the two rooms in our house that I love are our sitting room - no clutter, 1 ornament and 1 picture and colourful cushions and throws. Our bedroom only has bedside cabinets that have a flat surface so no clutter there either - why has it taken me so long?
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • Eirlys
    • By Eirlys 12th Sep 17, 1:49 PM
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    Forgot we pay towards Air Ambulance and local Hospice Lotteries. Have done so for a while and intend to continue.


    Thank you for the advice regarding the "chemicals".
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