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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
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    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 19th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
    KonMari 2017 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 19th Jul 17 at 2:04 PM
    Since there seems to be a few new threads being started in case old ones are accidentally lost, shall I do the same for KonMari?

    Here's the links to the old threads with thanks to VfM4meplse and greent

    2016

    2015

    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.

    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.

    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.

    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.
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    • iamsalt
    • By iamsalt 10th Sep 17, 8:33 PM
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    For all those kondoing away to make their and their children's lives easier in the future, I really applaud you. I love my mum to bits but helping her move last month was hard, (probably about 5years too late for her to be really energetic and help) she had done very small amounts of kondoing, but even now, I feel a bit resentful that in the 5months that she knew she was moving, very little really went, and I ended up with 3 storage units full, one of which is meant to hold the contents of a 4 bed house. She is moving to a one bed bungalow.... Until that is built for her I am encouraging as much sorting as possible, bringing her boxes from storage and doing any shredding and recycling I can to help.

    One of the things we have in store is a 12 wine bottle size box full of brand light bulbs in case one of the supermarkets ever runs out!
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 10th Sep 17, 8:54 PM
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    I often encounter elderly people through the course of my work who have left it very late in life to declutter and suddenly the logistics are almost insurmountable. I have a hoarder(ish) mother who I also love to bits but we will have a hard row to hoe when the time comes, I know.

    I'm trying to be chilled about it, and not stress her out, but reckon anything we can re-home now will be one less item to deal with later. And, if I can at least find and collate the excess, there is a chance that they can be used by her now (an unhelpful scenario is the re-purchasing of things which already exist, because the current holdings have been forgotten or are remembered but are not findable).

    If I know what and where the excess items are, and they are stored in such a way as to minimalise risks of dying in storage, I hope to be able to re-home things not needed by the family in an efficient manner.

    But I'm absolutely with you on the maddingness (is that even a word?!) of knowing your mother's going to be putting a large houseworth into a bungalow and it can't possibly all fit and not shedding as much as possible before the move.

    Sigh. We can love people and still be utterly exasperated about some of the things they do, hey?
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • iamsalt
    • By iamsalt 10th Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    Absolutely, if we were all the same we wouldn't have half as many amusing tales to tell.

    I am seeing each item out is a positive, even if just one piece of paper. It's helped spur me on, and I have been far more considered what I take when we move soon. Even my friend who is minimal compared to me has filled 2 car loads for the charity shop AFTER her move
    New house, new mortgage.
    £175,999 (likely to be £200,000 in April 2018) end date October 2041 I would love the end date to be 2027 but will aim first for 2037.
    Overpay by £25 per month while saving for the building works on the new house
    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 10th Sep 17, 9:31 PM
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    Absolutely, if we were all the same we wouldn't have half as many amusing tales to tell.

    I am seeing each item out is a positive, even if just one piece of paper. It's helped spur me on, and I have been far more considered what I take when we move soon. Even my friend who is minimal compared to me has filled 2 car loads for the charity shop AFTER her move
    Originally posted by iamsalt
    Oh, we should have done a '2017 items out in 2017'! Or did someone already do that?!
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • greent
    • By greent 10th Sep 17, 9:57 PM
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    Oh, we should have done a '2017 items out in 2017'! Or did someone already do that?!
    Originally posted by MMF007
    Yep - there's a thread somewhere, I believe - I have my running total in my signature
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    Next: BTL Mtge 12/16 £69786. 2017 OPs (#18) £5034/£3286
    Net sales 2017 £1226.02/£500 PAYDOX17 £11937/£10k Decluttered 1760/2017 items
    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 10th Sep 17, 10:01 PM
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    Oh no, I'm late to the party Again! Thanks greent. I'll have to do 2018
    I have changed my work-life balance to a life-work balance.
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 10th Sep 17, 10:22 PM
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    iamsalt, that's tough! I'm trying to sort my mum's house after the event, but we're only just starting to prepare the place for sale, but it's difficult at long distance.
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    • short_bird
    • By short_bird 10th Sep 17, 10:25 PM
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    Oh, we should have done a '2017 items out in 2017'! Or did someone already do that?!
    Originally posted by MMF007
    well, the Minimalist's Game is 465 items a month: 3.5 months left of 2017 = er... quite a lot!

    "We call it the 30-Day Minimalism Game: one thing on the first day. On the second, two things. Three items on the third. So forth, and so on. Anything can go! Clothes, furniture, electronics, tools, decorations, etc. Donate, sell, or trash. Whatever you do, each material possession must be out of your house—and out of your life—by midnight each day." But not everybody does that last bit of getting it out of the house.
    Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans, no more merciful beheadings, and call off Christmas.
    • oceanspirit
    • By oceanspirit 10th Sep 17, 11:02 PM
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    We have been clearing out OH's family home (50 years worth of stuff) over the last few months. He and his mother had started clearing things when his father died 3 1/2 years ago and we took over when his mother died earlier this year.

    We've found paperwork going back to 1940s, all birthday, anniversary, Easter and Christmas cards ever received, clothes beyond wearing (ie a pair of knitted gloves which had more darning than glove) along with loads and loads of decent wearable clothes, some of which it would have been useful if we'd been able to find them during OH's mum's last few months only they were stashed away out of sight in suitcases and carrier bags in the bottom of the wardrobes.

    We had to sort through every single bag as things were all mixed up together and we found some important paperwork in the most unlikely places.

    The house looks so much bigger now that some of the furniture has gone although there is plenty more and we still have one bedroom full of boxes still to go through.

    My own Kondoing has taken a back seat and I'm having bother with OH constantly buying more books even though we are supposed to be working on reducing numbers as we are short of space. He was complaining about the amount of things on the floor in my study this week (a few boxes of his clothes and shoes are amongst it) as he was concerned about me falling over them.

    I ordered a posh Vitamix blender as I was hoping to just have that and get rid of 4 other gadgets in order to have more space on the worktop however I'm not sure I can manage to close the top properly. Will have a look at the instructions tomorrow - if I can't do it I'll have to send it back and think again.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 11th Sep 17, 8:03 AM
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    One of the things I spotted at Mum's on my last visit a fortnight ago (it was in a plastic pocket in a folder of knitting patterns, one of which we were looking for) was something I've mentioned before on here:

    A wedding invitation from the 1960s, from very distant relations in London, sent to my parents. A wedding which they did not attend, btw, from people they have had no contact with since, but said invitation has travelled with them through three housemoves, the most recent in 1971 and still cannot be thrown away. When asked why not, I got the answer 'because'.

    Now I can understand people keeping memorabilia from their own wedding, or even from the wedding of very close relations such as their own sons, daughters, siblings, but this stumps me.

    I am on annual leave this week and will be doing a variety of things, including frequent visits to the juntique shop where the paper tiger still growls in corners. I am determined, armed with the Letter Opener of Righteousness and the Shredding Shield of Valour, to defeat this pesky pest.

    I have explained to my pal on many occasions that the easiest way to deal with paperwork is asap after it arrives through the letterbox, as most of it is bills etc and, if you don't pay 'em promptly, your creditors send another. And another, so one piece becomes two or three or more and the paper tiger gets fatter and fatter.

    My pal is extrememly clever and able at running the specialist side of his business but has severe paper-phobia.

    He also mislays things frequently, currently on the lost list is one of a set of six silver spoons and paperwork related to various items which cannot be sold until re-united with them.

    Oh, on behalf of juntique dealers everywhere, if any of you have those blue glass liners which come with silver (and sometimes silver-plated articles) please, whatever you do, do not put these into the recycling bin.

    They are highly-sought after as are often broken in the course of a silver piece's life. You may be able to sell them but, if you can't, charity shop them where a dealer will be happy to buy them.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • kittie
    • By kittie 11th Sep 17, 8:43 AM
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    oceanspirit, what is wrong with the vitamix? I have one, perhaps I can help

    Today I am back indoors and will take a long hard look at all the boxes inside my tall cupboard in the en suite, all the shower gels and so on. I have too many moisturisers and if truth be told, rarely use face products like that. A bit stomach churning again but I need to bite the bullet
    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 11th Sep 17, 8:59 AM
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    Dh has made noises that he wants to clear out his wardrobe, especially his work shirts. During the years, I have already taken out the clearly tattered ones, but now he wants to go through them all. Sounds good, now he just needs to do it.
    Still a womble 2017 #25 € 7070,69= £ 6309.50 Wombling Free 2016 #2 € 3.483,31= £ 2,969.05
    • Wednesday2000
    • By Wednesday2000 11th Sep 17, 9:10 AM
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    I have said to my husband about the amount of stuff my mother-in-law hoards in her house. It's not exactly a huge house but it is full to the brim with stuff in cupboards and wardrobes. She has a big garden with 3 sheds worth of stuff! I think when she passes away it will have to be cleared professionally as she refuses to do it.

    I kept most of the tupperware boxes as storage in drawers but threw away the lids. I'm getting rid of a big bread bin type thing (as it takes up so much space) and using a smaller seagrass box instead.

    I'm using up a scented candle today as I start one and then move onto another scent. I have to use them one by one!

    I went through the fridge and will make soup later with the bendy veg in there.
    "It doesn't cost any more to dream big."
    • Eirlys
    • By Eirlys 11th Sep 17, 4:09 PM
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    Well I'm an Oldie and I am trying to do something about my clutter., Older Son actually had remarked, "When you go we'll get the house clearance people in". That made me think! If there's any giving away I want to do it.


    What I can't understand is how did we produce offspring that can actually deal with clutter!!


    I have stopped giving money to charity and give items that can be sold. (One charity shop asked did I really want to give away a book they would be able to sell for £12! My answer was "YES!".) The stuff can be used for good and will lighten my load.


    Husband is just as bad. The garden shed has been tidied twice and it is back to square one! Lots of stuff for killing bugs and pests still there. He never uses it and I'd love to see it all go. Anyone know if "chemicals" need to go to a special place?


    Not sure if I agree with Marie K not to tackle a room at the moment. It's so lovely when a section is cleared.
    • kittie
    • By kittie 11th Sep 17, 4:37 PM
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    I have stopped giving money to charity and give items that can be sold.
    .
    Originally posted by Eirlys
    Me too except for air ambulance, everything I give to a cs goes to the hospice shop. Re the chemicals, I give them to the man at the tip, he puts them in a safe place

    Just a bit of MK done today but I haven`t stopped working. House maintenance, I spotted something and have repaired it, did a good job too I also did some winter as in spring, cleaning so not much time for MK but some stuff is added to my cs bag, I am off to that area in 2 days so will fill it by then
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 11th Sep 17, 5:13 PM
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    Husband is just as bad. The garden shed has been tidied twice and it is back to square one! Lots of stuff for killing bugs and pests still there. He never uses it and I'd love to see it all go. Anyone know if "chemicals" need to go to a special place? .
    Originally posted by Eirlys
    Hi, I'd check out your local authority website (whichever one runs your tip) and see what their waste and recycling pages have to say about hazardous waste. If the answer isn't there, you might want to email them.

    Some authorities have certain days/ weekends each year set aside as amnesty days, when you can bring in dubious stuff which would normally be declined. Others have special sections which can take such things available all the time, as seems to be the case at kittie's dump.

    Just been dodging thundery showers all day and have managed to avoid a drenching by a narrow margin. Had 75 mins on the lottie this aft, with 15 mins in the middle sheltering in the shed from a thundery downpour. Am now home and about to turn some storecupboard items into the makings of chili con carne. Not only will it reduce the storecupboard, but it will give me some hearty warming meals for the next few days - now the weather has turned, I feel like eating some hot food again.

    Onwards and upwards, my lovelies. GQ x
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 11th Sep 17, 6:35 PM
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    Same here GQ - roast dinner yesterday and leftovers for tomorrow. Tonite dinner is a chicken & ham bake (leftovers from a couple of weeks ago!)
    Saw an ambulance outside my lovely elderly neighbours about half an hour ago - it was for the husband who's got heart problems. They've had visitors last week and been out and about and I happened to see them coming back from their walk today after being caught in the downpour. Do hope it's just because he may have overdone things. I've given her our phone numbers Justin. We've been neighbours for over 40 years and keep an eye on each others houses when we've been away. Do hope he'll be OK.
    FINALLY!!! Cabinet is going on Friday - I can then notify the hospice shop for the table and chairs. DH & I packed all the glassware into an empty storage box (thanks MK) and put in the spare bedroom ' cos once the furniture goes the building work can begin I'm going away for a couple of weeks with girlfriends - maybe DH will have it done while I'm away (can hope!) last year while I was away he got bored and painted the house so fingers crossed!
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • Floss
    • By Floss 11th Sep 17, 7:05 PM
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    I took the opportunity of a wet day with DH busy working to KM my clothes again... have reorganised out of season storage, got the winter woolies out and put my summer stuff away. Also released a heap of stuff for CS which I will take this week. Have also swapped boxes-in-drawers around for my knicker drawer & hankies and got my knee boots out & all stood up in the bottom of my wardrobe
    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 11th Sep 17, 7:34 PM
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    Evening lovelies one and all

    Can I drop in with another set of figures (I know, ive always wasted time counting stuff rather than getting on with my work lol).

    Question: for someone who wears tights about once every halleys comet, do you think 4 pairs of dark greys/barely blacks, 1 pair of light brown (eugh), 1 pair navy and 1 pair of black holdups (ooh lala) is enough ? These are all thin denier ones.

    Cos if that's not enough I also have new boxed and packaged: 4 navy, 9 barely black/smokey grey type and 10 in shades of brown (yuck) with exotic names like paola, nude, chiffon and biscuit !! (I am of the age where mums wore brown tights, us trendy young gals wore barely black so dear knows how I have so many brown ones.) 1 pair black with snowmen embroidered on the ankle and 1 pair black stockings (ooh lala again).

    Then we move onto winter tights:1 chocolate, 5 navy, 1 BRIGHT blue (think 80s), half dozen grey, 2 bottle green, 8 black. 8 black? 8 ??? How did this happen? I never wear black except to funerals and then I have 1 pair black trousers and 1 black jacket as funeral outfit, plus a funeral black handbag.

    I remember getting rid of loads of tights and stocking years ago (when I realised my sussy belts would barely fit round my leg rather than my waist, a sad day for Mr daisy lol) and keeping some "in case of funerals and interviews". Hmm, well that accounts for keeping about 3 pairs allowing for the unlikely but possible event of two funerals and an interview all happening in the same week but how many did I seriously think I needed?? Some of the tights I'm sure I recognise the packaging from my Saturday job in BhS .....in the mid 80s (paola im looking at you). Several seem to have been bought during a sale (5 pairs for £3.60 - bargain, let's buy loads and keep them for 20 years without wearing them).

    So, 53 pairs of tights, 30 of which are brand new. SABLE? Jeez, no wonder I had to spend 12 grand on bedroom fitted wardrobes a few years ago to store all my 'treasured' possessions! Ah well, they do spark extreme joy (only 2 small bedside cabinets to put things down on, the rest is floor to ceiling so I can't let loads of Stuff wash up on horizontal surfaces like the tide deposited it daily as it seemed to before. And I have empty shelves inside. Even before I started kondoing.

    Ho hum. At least my nephews won't have quite so many to chuck out when they clear our house in the future (another with no kids here and concerned about whoever we leave it all to)

    Daisy xxx
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    • catshark88
    • By catshark88 11th Sep 17, 8:56 PM
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    Hello. May I join you?

    I discovered MK a couple of years ago (possibly on MSE). It was a revelation and I think it's been a life changer.

    I wasn't madly untidy or cluttered but I just had TOO MUCH STUFF. I couldn't see the things I loved because there was too much and I had scary cupboards, full of things that gave me sad memories (photos), or were depressing (clothes that either no longer fitted or were hugely unflattering) etc.

    Over time, I've been through and Kondoed the lot and oh the difference it's made. I've found the things that I love and I can see and use them every day. I'm still fat (no miracle there!), but wear clothes that I'm happy in.

    The amazing difference though is in the way that it's made me think and that has then filtered through to my family. I don't buy much now (i have to really love it to give it space in my home). As a family, we tend to go on hols and have "experience" type treats now, rather than buy stuff and I love the memories that build up (& do give house room to lots of photo books of them).

    We were able to really understand what matters to us and this is leading to a house move and lifestyle changes that we wouldn't have considered before.

    I'm sorry to go on, but it's been an amazing journey.

    Stick with it, the rewards of peace and calm are so worth the painful bits.
    Last edited by catshark88; 11-09-2017 at 8:59 PM.
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