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    • Knit Witch
    • By Knit Witch 18th Jul 17, 8:29 PM
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    The Garden Fence - proper Old Style support and chat!
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    • 18th Jul 17, 8:29 PM
    The Garden Fence - proper Old Style support and chat! 18th Jul 17 at 8:29 PM
    As threads are going walkabout I thought I would start the next stage of this off - I will try and do the links later!
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    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 1st Oct 17, 2:43 PM
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    It wont feel like it to you Hester but that seems to have flown by . I'm very much looking forward to your last day

    Now to Butter, Milk etc . ( I've learned from Karcher and me coat is ready!) Those familiar with my posts on the previous Preppers thread will already know my views on this subject .
    I'm in the minority as my milk is delivered in glass bottles to my doorstep as it has been since I was born . The huge dairy companies aren't my concern but the traditional local dairy farmers are . We have a dairy farm a short walk away which has been in the same family since 1939 . It is run with good animal welfare and fairness for all employees . A couple of months ago they hand delivered a letter across the wide area they serve . Everyone got a copy as they didn't have time to sort customers and non customers .
    I don't cry easily but it made me cry . They were begging those who buy the supermarket milk to try at least 1 pint a week to keep local suppliers going .
    The giant power of the supermarkets has reduced the true value of certain products to use them as loss leaders to get people through the door and producers have long been over a barrel to the point many are running at a loss .
    Traditional farming methods are being lost and some farms now resemble the prairies as hedgerows are ripped our .
    We are losing the things we could trust and rely on .
    Milk can come from many sources , anyone remember the Polish milk a while back in the supermarkets? That particular brand wasn't safe for human consumption .
    Veg is a loss leader as the poor growers .know to their cost . Bread also .
    If you cost butter per gram it isn't a lot but there is a whole chain of production and employees behind that pack in the chiller .
    I'll shock you now and say at the moment I pay 59p for a pint (remember those?} of milk in a glass bottle which the dairy uses again and again . I never need to go and buy milk as it's on the step early morning . A lot of people go for milk and return with shopping they don't really need . Impulse buys .
    Like the postman a milk man keeps an eye on his or her patch . They know their customers and keep an eye on the old and others they know are struggling . Many a life has been saved by that .
    At the end of the day it's choice , you can do a lot with a bottle of milk and people complain more about it than the price of wine .
    I have never had a milkman that failed to turn up whether snow , flood or sunshine . The wind is rising here now but if the weather warnings are correct my milk will still turn up tomorrow .
    polly
    i know I've spoken mainly about milk but the lowered price applies to butter a product that needs the milk .
    • wondercollie
    • By wondercollie 1st Oct 17, 3:32 PM
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    Butter is 5.99 Canadian dollars a 500 gram brick. It was a
    special offer this weekend at 2.99 at Walmart. Shelves cleared in minutes.

    Milk is 4,72 for a 4 litre jug. 2 litres is 3.65.

    Dairy is not onexpensive. If you live close to the US border, its cheaper down there even with the exchange rate.

    Food is not cheap here. And prices rise constantly as do taxes,

    I loathe the phrase. "Fixed income". Everyone s on a fixed gift ncome not just pensioners, there is no overtime or extra hours available at work, so my income is pretty much fixed as well
    • Jazee
    • By Jazee 1st Oct 17, 3:47 PM
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    Until last Thursday we had milk delivered in bottles too but our milk man has now gone out of business.
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    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 1st Oct 17, 4:24 PM
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    The milkman round here went out of business about 3 years ago. I had not had the opportunity to have one when we lived in Bognor. I have not had a milk delivery for over 25 years.

    The last milkman I had was so dopy, you give him it in writing that you are going on holiday and tell him the day before. Then I was living alone so he delivered 5 a week. He only came three days. I got fed up of coming home from 2 weeks holiday to find 10 bottles of sour milk on the door step.
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 1st Oct 17, 4:32 PM
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    Good to see you again Wondercollie . It's interesting to read the Canadian situation on prices and employment . As I mentioned a week or so back DD2 will be flying to Canada in the a couple of weeks . The tea towels will be safe as she can't even remember where she's going . Clue it has a big lake I think we've now established Ontario but that could still change !

    Jazee I'm sorry you've lost your milkman . So many dairy farmers are being forced to give up now . I hope our local farm and all it employs can hang on but the writing seems to be on the wall .
    polly
    • Hard Up Hester
    • By Hard Up Hester 1st Oct 17, 5:27 PM
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    I had milk delivered until I moved on to my boat, I also had eggs and veg delivered as a way of supporting local businesses.
    Chin up, Titus out.
    • Floss
    • By Floss 1st Oct 17, 5:35 PM
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    Way back in 1981 at 6th form i worked every Thurs & Fri evening from 5pm until 9pm collecting money for our local dairy on our round, in all weathers. By the time me & my kids lived with my mum in late 1999 the dairyman had retired, the site was sold and executive houses built.

    We have a milkman here but live on a main road and can't guarantee the milk will be still on the step when we go for it
    • wondercollie
    • By wondercollie 1st Oct 17, 5:57 PM
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    Good to see you again Wondercollie . It's interesting to read the Canadian situation on prices and employment . As I mentioned a week or so back DD2 will be flying to Canada in the a couple of weeks . The tea towels will be safe as she can't even remember where she's going . Clue it has a big lake I think we've now established Ontario but that could still change !

    Jazee I'm sorry you've lost your milkman . So many dairy farmers are being forced to give up now . I hope our local farm and all it employs can hang on but the writing seems to be on the wall .
    polly
    Originally posted by pollyanna 26
    We have Lake Louise! I thought the teatowels were safe until my oldest son moved out. He came home and helped himself to several that had recipes on them! He said he needed them for help for his partner to feed him. So I guess they are living on soda bread, !!!! o'leekie soup, etc, lol.
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 1st Oct 17, 6:12 PM
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    I feel I may have cursed your beloved stash of tea towels . A novel way to learn cooking , that never came to mind thankfully with any of mine . You'll have to write all the recipes down and present them with a homemade cook book and get a padlock on the cupboard before the shelves are bare .
    DD2 is well educated and highly professional in her career . However she is very vague on details at times . I was calling up my geography lessons from a long time ago , eventually she said it's got a big lake . There's really no answer to that !!! I've advised her to try and bag a Mountie and give me some respite
    Take care
    polly
    • wondercollie
    • By wondercollie 1st Oct 17, 6:31 PM
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    Nah, Mounties can be pretty full of themselves. Pay cheque isn't bad though depending on where they work.

    Hate to tell you they only wear the red serge on ceremonial duties, the rest of the time they just look like policemen with yellow stripes on their trouser legs. If you see one with his Stetson hat in his squad car, they are usually the meanest ones.
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 1st Oct 17, 6:45 PM
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    Nah, Mounties can be pretty full of themselves. Pay cheque isn't bad though depending on where they work.

    Hate to tell you they only wear the red serge on ceremonial duties, the rest of the time they just look like policemen with yellow stripes on their trouser legs. If you see one with his Stetson hat in his squad car, they are usually the meanest ones.
    Originally posted by wondercollie
    But we don't have to tell here that do we? It's rather like policemen in the 60s . I had my eye on a number of them but it was usually a big letdown when they took the helmet off
    polly
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 1st Oct 17, 10:07 PM
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    The post from Floss regarding the safety on the doorstep of her milk coupled with my mentioning policemen has triggered a childhood memory . In the late 50s there were a few occasions when the milk was missing when mum went to fetch it in . She mentioned it to the local beat bobby and for three days a burly , uniformed police sergeant stood in our hallway near the front door . We were under strict instructions from mum to come downstairs fully dressed as there was a man in the house We had to be quiet though it was hard not to giggle . On the third day the thief was grabbed and taken away .
    That couldn't happen now , blue remembered hills again .

    I'm like you Hester and support local business as much as possible . If the fair producers and suppliers go to the wall we will be left with those powerful supermarkets who can then name any price knowing we are the ones over the barrel .
    Methinks I may need a dairy cow or two in the near future .
    polly
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 2nd Oct 17, 8:04 AM
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    We've had the same milkman here for 30 years, he only comes Mon/Wed/Fri but he will bring veg and fruit in season. I don't get him because my son had a milkround when he was at high school and that sod fiddled him out of his wages more than once.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 2nd Oct 17, 8:43 AM
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    We don't have the option of a milkman and haven't for the last 20 years, there was a round when we first moved here 25 years ago but the milk didn't get delivered until 11.30 am most days and the milk often didn't get delivered at all! No wonder the round disappeared. We've also lost a Doctors Surgery, 2 banks and a garage that sold petrol etc.and quite a few small businesses that over the years have set up in the empty shops and lasted at most for a year, mostly six months before closing. We have 6 hairdressers, 2 small supermarkets, 1 bakery/restaurant that gets all the baked goods delivered in, 4 pubs,1 fish and chip shop, 1 Chinese takeaway, 1 Indian restaurant, 1 up market restaurant, 2 estate agents, 1 funeral director/florist, 2 car sales garages, 1 tea room, 1 pet shop, 1 chemist, 1 posh dress shop, 1 very expensive and increasingly small Boutique, 1 picture framer and surprisingly the most successful business is a Bridal/Prom dress shop. We are out of the way little place on the road to nowhere but here so it's no wonder that businesses don't thrive but I guess the rentals on the retail units must be lower than in the bigger villages so people chance their luck and it NEVER works!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 2nd Oct 17, 8:50 AM
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    We live in an outer suburb and had a Co-Op milkman for many years. The morning after the 1987 "Great Storm", trees down all over the place, still very windy, and he came round the corner on his float as if nothing had happened.
    When he retired, Co-Op diaries having been taken over by then, the new milkman only came 3 days a week and the milk had become increasingly expensive, and the milkman often didn't come but then we were charged for the milk we hadn't had, so we regretfully cancelled, and buy supermarket milk now

    Nice to "see" you wondercollie

    I have an appointment with the dentist presently - a tooth broke on Thursday evening I expect it will need a crown, and I've only just paid for one!

    ETA The tooth has been mended and it was close enough to the last treatment to be counted as a "continuation", so I didn't have to pay
    Last edited by ivyleaf; 02-10-2017 at 10:34 AM.
    • THIRZAH
    • By THIRZAH 2nd Oct 17, 11:02 AM
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    We had the same problem Ivyleaf. For years our milkman delivered milk on time whatever the weather-he only lived up the road. When he retired a firm based in a town about 20 miles away took over. If the weather was bad we didn't know when or if the milk would arrive. On a couple of occasions I waited until mid morning then slithered down the hill to town in the snow to buy milk only to find a pint on the step when I returned.

    We've switched to supermarket milk. In the winter I buy a four pint bottle of the Cravendale type milk about once a month so if it does snow we have milk in the fridge. I also keep a supply of long life-we don't like in in tea but it's fine for cooking.
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 2nd Oct 17, 11:10 AM
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    Our milkman arrives in all weathers too, he has winter tyres and chains lol
    • ArthriticOldThing
    • By ArthriticOldThing 2nd Oct 17, 11:14 AM
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    I only wish we could get milk delivered but we live in a large block of flats with outside walkways and ANYTHING left on doorsteps always disappears quickly!
    Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, Do without.
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 2nd Oct 17, 11:36 AM
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    We could have our milk delivered - but we don't because he does his round between midnight and 1am (seriously!). OK in the winter, but milk is likely to go off in the summer - unless you're willing to get out of bed when you hear the bottles rattling, which we are not.

    Going back to the 1960s/1970s, we had a spate of milk being stolen from our doorstep - even though we had a small front garden and a gate. My mum waited for the milkman, then swiftly swopped the new bottle for one-she-had-prepared-earlier. Dettol mixed with water. We didn't lose any more milk after that.
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 2nd Oct 17, 3:20 PM
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    We could have our milk delivered - but we don't because he does his round between midnight and 1am (seriously!). OK in the winter, but milk is likely to go off in the summer - unless you're willing to get out of bed when you hear the bottles rattling, which we are not.

    Going back to the 1960s/1970s, we had a spate of milk being stolen from our doorstep - even though we had a small front garden and a gate. My mum waited for the milkman, then swiftly swopped the new bottle for one-she-had-prepared-earlier. Dettol mixed with water. We didn't lose any more milk after that.
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    Well done to your mum
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