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    • Knit Witch
    • By Knit Witch 18th Jul 17, 8:29 PM
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    Knit Witch
    The Garden Fence - proper Old Style support and chat!
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    • 18th Jul 17, 8:29 PM
    The Garden Fence - proper Old Style support and chat! 18th Jul 17 at 8:29 PM
    As threads are going walkabout I thought I would start the next stage of this off - I will try and do the links later!
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    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 9th Mar 18, 9:43 PM
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    MMF007 that's brilliant I liked his sense of humour.

    I have to look up to everybody but only physically not figuratively. Only god is entitled to that. I may see eye to eye with the Queen she is not very tall.

    Stop worrying about me all of you. All that has passed cannot be changed and all of the future will not change by worrying so DON'T.

    I am OK now, happily bouncing along to the end of my life when I will see Jesus or as his correct name in Hebrew is Yeshua.

    What ever is God's will will happen. DS is tired he has just had a week of the shortest shifts 9 hours some more it has been as bad as at Christmas. After a nine or 10 hour sift he still has a half hour walk one and a half hours on two buses with often a half hour wait in between and a good walk up hill to get home it often means he had been away from home for well over 12 hours and he is starving because it is 13 hours since breakfast and all he has had to eat since is a sandwich at 8 am.

    It's not surprising he is grumpy when he get home. He goes to bed and 4 kids jump on his head for the next four or five hours. None of them has walked all afternoon they have jumped with both legs everywhere.

    Monna I said yesterday I can't cope with being out 5 hours to go and view places. It is almost the same journey as DS does every day. I also need to get back to get his dinner so I would need to go out in rush hour. I cannot say yes without him, neither of us can do without the other if we are to get out of this flat. He has promised to go next week so I just have to wait until Wednesday and hope it does not go before. I have picked this one out because it is so ugly outside that it will put a lot of people off. I will only see the outside when I am coming in.

    mar the Victorians ate such huge meals I don't think I could cope with either the cooking or the eating.

    To be honest DS said not long ago that he has been aware since he has been about ten that he would lose his parents young. He says he does not feel anything.
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 9th Mar 18, 9:59 PM
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    I like doing plain good food, soups and meat and two veg. Workers food, not banquets.
    Very tired and weary tonight, was out getting my hair done and first the down bus was late so I got there half an hour late. Then there was another lady being done so I had to wait. Then I just missed the up bus and had to sit in a freezing bus station for an hour until the next one. Nearly bedtime thank god
    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 9th Mar 18, 10:03 PM
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    polly I have not asked him to look after me. I hope I can mange my self until the time comes to go into a Hospice. I just need to to understand there will come a time when I cannot even get him a sandwich. While we are such a long in time from his work he would not cope with getting dinner never mind doing anything else in the house. On Christmas Eve he did not get home until 5 pm.

    How can anyone after a 10 hour shift and 15 hours out of home, having last eaten at 8 am get himself a dinner eat it and get to bed in an hour.

    If we move to Farnworth it will be half an hour even on a push bike. He may come home as early as 11 am some mornings. He will not have to get up until 4 am. We may sit down for dinner as early as mid day.

    He would have liked to buy the house we saw on Sunday. It was only £150,000. We could have raked up a 10% deposit between us but there is no way ether of us could have got a mortgage. We would have struggled to get to the end of the month.
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 10th Mar 18, 12:03 AM
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    nm Are the staff able to buy any goods where they work? i understand your DS works in a warehouse, but I know that some places like that have a staff shop. I wondered if he might be able to buy an occasional "ready meal" to give you a break from having to cook for him to a strict timetable. Aldi don't sell a vast selection of those, but they do sell some. Alternatively a canned meal would take only a few minutes for him to heat in the microwave or a saucepan. He certainly shouldn't be shouting at you if his dinner isn't on the table! People who work long hours and live alone have to shift for themselves when they get home, after all. xx
    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 10th Mar 18, 12:53 AM
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    The big problem is just how many calories they use because they are basically doing a massive workout often for 9 or 10 hours a day. He has breakfast about 2. 45 am. He has a bowl of cereal at that time. He then sets off walking for 40 minutes. Bolton probably does not have more than a few square feet of flatness in the whole town so he does down and up and down and up all the way to the bus station. He gets a mini bus at 4 am to work.

    He gets a 20 minute break at 8 am. He has had 5 hours of mostly working physically. He says lots of them could eat a large two course dinner at that time. They have a choice of a sandwich or a tiny ready meal. Sometimes the machines are nearly empty. He will then work until they finish plus he has 2 and 1/2 hours to get home.

    He will have worked on a small meal for up to 8 hours. I can understand how hungry he feels 8 hours from a light meal until dinner and it is not always possible to get it ready in time. He may have had one of their microwave meals at 8 am. He will not take a meal with him mainly because he would not have time to heat it and eat it. 20 minutes is not a very long.

    There is an Aldi shop on Logistics North. I gather it is about 10 minutes
    walk from the warehouse. Sometimes he gets a lift he only goes to the shop he will miss his lift. If I ask him to bring something home I have to wait a few days. I can understand he want a lift if he can get one. They just drop him near the bus stop. They are going that way anyway.

    I cannot think of anything that comes in a can he would like except beans. I understand the thing about those who live alone fending for himself but they don't take two and half hours to get home. No one else who works there lives this side of town. Those who don't have transport can have the Local Link from home. It is not allowed over here because we are almost in the richest suburb of the town.

    No one who lives over this side of town applies for a job that side of the town. He is the only one out of a staff of over 500 who lives this side of town.

    Having a flat makes it worse because we have no where for him to store a bike. If he bought one it would get pinched the first night. If it was not the housing association would take it and take it too the tip. I lost my bike that way when we lived in Sussex.

    I have to leave him a microwave meal when I have a hospital appointment.
    • Softstuff
    • By Softstuff 10th Mar 18, 1:54 AM
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    I'm sorry to hear you still aren't feeling too good Softstuff . Are you managing better sleep yet ? All I can say is the longest journey starts with a single step ( sorry )
    I miss waking in the morning to the banter between yourself and monna while we all slept . Between you not feeling too good and poor monna being run ragged by Millie the Minx i suppose it will be a while before those chats resume .
    Originally posted by pollyanna 26
    Thanks for asking, the sleep is improved in that I think I'm breathing mostly through it and sleeping correctly on my side, but I'm not getting much of it by time or much quality to it (my fitbit tracks it seemingly very well) and I ache like billy-o when I get up I'm working on everything I can to improve "sleep hygiene" as they call it (no caffeine after lunch, eating a bit sooner, losing weight, no screen time before bed, relaxing sooner, earlier set bed times). I've purchased a new pillow, which though extortionately priced, seems worth it. I'm looking into cooling the bed directly and will be in a completely dark new room soon. In short, if it can be fixed, I'll fix it. Just a bit miffed with it all. I realise others have bigger worries though and I'll perk up in due course
    Softstuff- Officially better than 007
    • monnagran
    • By monnagran 10th Mar 18, 8:06 AM
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    Softstuff, I'm sorry you are still having problems sleeping. I depend on the hound to wake me up these days and that depends on the state of her bladder. It could be once every couple of hours or only twice a night.
    When it was me waking myself up I was happy to turn to tablet for company and to pass the time, but being woken up to escort an excited dog downstairs, usher her out of the door and then try to entice her back in changes things. When I've finally convinced her that it is not play time I can't wait to get back into my warm bed and back to sleep.

    As to those pesky height/weight tables, ignore them. They take no account of body build, genetics or past history.
    I was discussing this with a friend only a couple of weeks ago. She had been to the hospital where they had told her what she should weigh and offered her a diet sheet. She said that she had actually weighed that once, when she was in her early 20s, in hospital being treated for anorexia and very close to death.
    Just be sensible and concentrate on "healthy" rather than "slimming".

    nm. You are absolutely right, you don't stand outside your house admiring its appearance. As long as it has everything you need inside and you can be comfortable and peaceful it will be fine.

    It's too early for me to have done anything worthy of reporting so I'll just leave you with


    In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion. Nice try though.
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    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 10th Mar 18, 8:21 AM
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    Fuddle and anybody else interested in nutrition and/or old fashioned eating - take a read at this, it's fascinating:
    Originally posted by mardatha
    So interesting. It makes so much sense as well. We're definitely a victim of our success, gorging on all we want whenever we want.

    I was reading that we shouldn't really indulge in fruit out of season because it's not what nature intends. Some people rest off eating eggs in the winter because chickens naturally produce less then. I often wonder about the Ploughman's lunch and how it sustained hard grafters. Here's me stuffing full my desk sitting/driving husband full of meats etc because he's had a long day.

    Can I ask a Q for asthmatics? When you've had an attack and on steroids do you bring up a lot of sticky stuff from your chest afterwards? I'm just trying to learn about asthma and attacks. I'm still a bit confused with my bit self. I've been having short bursts of chest tightness that I try not to panic about and take my inhaler. I soon come round but that mixed with anxiety and I react badly to steroids I don't know what's normal and what's not. I slept all night though and feel much clearer chest wise this morning.

    That said please can I beg of you positive thoughts for the next 3 hours or so? We're taking the caravan to its new permanent home in SW Scotland. It's going on a small holiday site - lochs, forest, swimming pool and pub We're anxious tourers who hate the caravan on the back and we're doing that right now! What makes it worse is the last time we had the caravan on tow we broke down North of Glasgow and needed the AA to bring us, car and caravan back to Durham. The cars fault was never found.
    Please don't judge my story by the chapter that you walked in on.
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 10th Mar 18, 8:33 AM
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    Morning everyone!

    , oh goodness, I understand now what a huge problem it is for him, calorie-wise. Does he take any snacks with him to eat on his way home, to take the edge off his hunger and raise his blood sugar a bit? I find a Mars bar is particularly helpful if i'm out and about and realise I'm becoming too exhausted to get home safely. I do realise he would need more than that. xx

    Softstuff Sorry you're not quite there yet with the good sleep xx

    My sister-in-law was having a check=up once and the nurse told her she was overweight. She pointed out that she was six feet tall and a perfect size 12, how could she be overweight? but the nurse ignored the evidence of her own eyes and insisted SIL was definitely overweight. It turned out the scales were broken....

    Ooh fuddle, just seen your post. Wishing you well on your journey there and back. It sounds a gorgeous place to have a caravan
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    • Floss
    • By Floss 10th Mar 18, 8:42 AM
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    Fuds am praying to the God that is Airstream for safe travelling for you & your van
    • camelot1001
    • By camelot1001 10th Mar 18, 9:06 AM
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    Hope your travels are going well fuddle, it's a horrible wet day to be travelling.

    nm - I appreciate your DS works a long way from home but he must realise that his job may not be forever and could find another position in a different area at some time. Maybe a food flask could be of use to him and a stack of sandwiches that he could make up the night before?

    What would your DS do if you weren't around to look after him so well? He would have to work, shop and look after a home himself, something that many, many people have to do whilst working long hours. I hope you find a suitable solution.

    You are certainly throwing everything at the sleep problem softstuff, one of my friends sewed a tennis ball to the back of her OHs pjs so that he wouldn't roll over onto his back!
    • Jazee
    • By Jazee 10th Mar 18, 9:06 AM
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    Fuddle - hope your journey is trouble free.

    Another one here who gets annoyed by overweight nurses telling me I need to lose a few pounds.

    DD is coming over to use our gym today. I really must get in there myself, and not just to clean it.
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    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 10th Mar 18, 9:22 AM
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    We're near Newcastle at The Caravan Clinic. The new brakes are touching one of the wheels making the metal hot. We don't subscribe to the ignorance is bliss mentality. We ease our anxieties by being proactive and vigilant... which adds to the anxieties! Just get us there!
    Please don't judge my story by the chapter that you walked in on.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 10th Mar 18, 9:23 AM
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    Drive safe love xxx.
    Thumpers mum was right - if you can't find anything nice to say don't say anything at all!
    • Softstuff
    • By Softstuff 10th Mar 18, 10:57 AM
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    Fingers crossed for your journey Fuddle.

    Sadly, Monna, I know that the scales and the body fat percentage were very accurate! I can't say I have a big build, my wrists are so slight I can wear childrens bracelets, and though I am tall, I am not supposed to be wide. Up until about 18 months ago, I was quite merrily a size 10 around the waist (and could still have lost a few KGs without even beginning to look skinny), and I weighed what I'm aiming to get back to. I just like to eat more than is advisable (and more junk) and that coupled with the lack of sleep (increased cortisol causes weight gain), mean I'm presently bigger than I should be (which is a vicious circle, making the sleep apnea worse). I need to just suck it up and get on with it. But I was being a precious flower for a bit instead

    I just closed my page accidentally and almost lost this, think I'd best head to bed. Love to all xx
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    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 10th Mar 18, 12:10 PM
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    We're stuck on a layby just over the border of Scotland. The caravan brakes have seized on. We can't move forwards. The AA are coming to take the caravan to the site. We'll drive on up. It's a blessing really as the stress has now gone and the recovery costs are met by DH's work.

    I am, however, annoyed we've missed our free bowl of soup at the welcoming function. If I'm honest I'm struggling with barriers that appear with every ruddy thing I try to do but I'll get myself calmed, sorted and look back at the adventure. can I swear!
    Please don't judge my story by the chapter that you walked in on.
    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 10th Mar 18, 1:00 PM
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    fuddle Now you are asking e to go back. Don't think I have worked with asthma patients since 1967. there is no reason why you should not have had a cold this week. It just could be that. You would not notice a mild cold with everything else.

    For all the tests you have had you could still have had a virus that did not show up. Stop worrying about it you see the specialist on Monday.
    You are going to be seen by lots of Drs again because they are sill not sure what it is.

    Of course you could have both. Probably something congenital with your heart, was your mother drinking when you were born? The other thing is if it is a strong allergy it will effect your sinuses as well. You will only be coughing up rubbish from your sinuses in that case. It is only coming from your throat not your lungs.

    When you get home damp dust everything and vacuum all curtains the sofa etc. keep doing it every day and that may help. I know if I did that in my flat it would help a lot because both of us are allergic to dust. You could try only using home made cleaning materials.

    Soft stuff, I think the vicious circle is why we have had this government directive to put all newly diagnosed sleep apnea patients on a weight reducing diet.

    I have the opposite problem of your SiL ivyleaf. Nurses weigh me and see 8 st 10 and don't see me as over weight. It is the top end for my height. DS eats a lot anyway but then when I was his age I ate a lot too and was only 6st 6lbs. He is not supposed to eat while working. When he is working his hands are full most of the time anyway. That's the nature of the job. I was buying him some big squares of flapjack with chocolate on top. The were only 39p from Pou n dstrecher. There have not been any for the last couple of months. They are very nice but they have 460 calories.

    DS has been promised the job for life. I don't think he will manage it until retirement it's too heavy. Most of them are under 40 in his department. Though there are much lighter departments in ambient like paper products.

    I have to tell you what he said last night. Every time I spoke to him he barely said a word back. He said I can't English I've been stuck in Japanese all day. He did finish one book, start another, play a computer game in Japanese and watch some Japanese TV, as well as do his daily practice.
    • nursemaggie
    • By nursemaggie 10th Mar 18, 1:54 PM
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    Join the club fuddle. Life is like that sometimes. At least you will get there. We used to have a car that did not like a lot of weight. When my two older kids were in their early teens we would load up the car to go camping. The kids were now almost fully grown.

    Any attempt to go over 50 miles and hour the car would scream OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 10th Mar 18, 2:35 PM
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    pollyanna 26
    fuds you don't do things by halves do you ? I hope the journey is now continuing towards your destination and things go smoothly from now on , NM has given you some pointers to manage the breathing issues . My two younger daughters both have asthma diagnoses but only one gets the sticky gunge thing .
    Wise to wait until Tuesdays appointment with the consultant . No doubt you'll be armed with a list of questions on the day . Whatever is going on will be sorted hopefully soon .
    Had I known you were heading over the border today I'd have stowed away ! Could do with some peace and nature right now .

    NM Some time last year I did a post or two about how DS coped food wise with his long journeys and shifts on the railway . His shifts were on ever changing rotas and longer than he can safely work nowadays as a senior driver .
    This time of year if we were asleep when he got home I would leave plated meals ready in the fridge , if his breakfast time was odd hours he would make proper porridge with jumbo oats in roughly 4 mins in the microwave , you can prepare that in advance and leave in the fridge but we didn't know that back then .
    Lunches depending on the season would be either homemade stew , chunky soups or similar in a food flask as mentioned above , with a well filled sandwich or roll that would keep him going . Sometimes he'd do scrambled eggs and tomatoes in the microwave for breakfast . Lots of different things are quick and easy to prepare .
    I know you are limited both space time and energy wise when cooking from scratch so having some decent quality good size microwavable meals in is useful . I'm not a frequent microwave user but my son grew up with them and it kept him fed when he wasn't home when we ate .
    polly x
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 10th Mar 18, 2:53 PM
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    What way did you come up fuddle? the A1 or the A68?
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