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    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:04 PM
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    Fined 100, then refunded from hm-courts.svs.gov.!? 0 points on gov license check?
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:04 PM
    Fined 100, then refunded from hm-courts.svs.gov.!? 0 points on gov license check? 17th Jul 17 at 3:04 PM
    I paid 100 on 21/12/16 for contravening a red a light and was given 3 points.

    I recently had a 100 refund in June from hm courts svs gov.

    It seems other people have had this happen but not clear on what the results were.

    I have checked the gov website and phoned the DVLA and they say I have 0 penalty points. Could this just be an error with the system?

    Would the check that insurance companies do show up my points?

    Do you think this is grounds to now not mention the points when applying for car insurance? Tempted to not mention it. Don't want to phone up ticket office in case the ask for the 100 back.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 17th Jul 17, 3:07 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:07 PM
    I paid 100 on 21/12/16 for contravening a red a light and was given 3 points.

    I recently had a 100 refund in June from hm courts svs gov.

    It seems other people have had this happen but not clear on what the results were.

    I have checked the gov website and phoned the DVLA and they say I have 0 penalty points. Could this just be an error with the system?

    Would the check that insurance companies do show up my points?

    Do you think this is grounds to now not mention the points when applying for car insurance? Tempted to not mention it. Don't want to phone up ticket office in case the ask for the 100 back.
    Originally posted by joed123
    This won't be good news. Did you send off your driving licence? If you didn't, then you haven't kept the conditions of the fixed penalty. This means it will be going to court where if you aren't careful will end up costing you more money.
    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:17 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:17 PM
    This won't be good news. Did you send off your driving licence? If you didn't, then you haven't kept the conditions of the fixed penalty. This means it will be going to court where if you aren't careful will end up costing you more money.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    I can't remember now but no i dont believe so. I only did what the letter asked. I surely would have sent it if it asked. All the letter asked for was to check the details of NIP, that i was the driver and to enter my license no etc. I did that, then paid the fine when next letter came through.
    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:19 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:19 PM
    This won't be good news. Did you send off your driving licence? If you didn't, then you haven't kept the conditions of the fixed penalty. This means it will be going to court where if you aren't careful will end up costing you more money.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    send off driving license to who?
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 17th Jul 17, 3:20 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:20 PM
    Did they not offer you a course? I ran a red light and did like a course for it. Which was an interesting experience.....
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 17th Jul 17, 3:22 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:22 PM
    send off driving license to who?
    Originally posted by joed123
    The letter normally says.

    What was the date of the offence? You might have got lucky.

    You have no need to tell your insurers anything unless they specifically ask if you have any offences pending.
    • LegendaryMatt
    • By LegendaryMatt 17th Jul 17, 3:25 PM
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    Did they not offer you a course? I ran a red light and did like a course for it. Which was an interesting experience.....
    Originally posted by Stoke
    How exciting was that course then? I'd hope at least as exciting as the speed awareness course where they still insist on using outdated breaking distance measurements to explain why travelling at 80mph on a motorway is an accident waiting to happen and is possibly the most 'unsafe' thing you can do in your motor vehicle.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 17th Jul 17, 3:27 PM
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    I can't remember now but no i dont believe so. I only did what the letter asked. I surely would have sent it if it asked. All the letter asked for was to check the details of NIP, that i was the driver and to enter my license no etc. I did that, then paid the fine when next letter came through.
    Originally posted by joed123
    send off driving license to who?
    Originally posted by joed123
    If a speed awareness course was offered, the letter has 3 options:

    1. SAC
    2. Pay 100 and take the 3 points
    3. Other, meaning going to court

    Option 2 requires you to pay by post, phone or online, and also to send in your photocard licence as proof of identity. (The address is listed in option 2, as you have to send off the form anyway with proof of payment, and include the licence therein). If you didn't do the latter then you might find the NIP isn't complete and you end up with a court case.
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    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:27 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 3:27 PM
    The letter normally says.

    What was the date of the offence? You might have got lucky.

    You have no need to tell your insurers anything unless they specifically ask if you have any offences pending.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    date of actual offence 10/11/16

    insurance quote always asks you if you have any points
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 17th Jul 17, 3:30 PM
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    How exciting was that course then? I'd hope at least as exciting as the speed awareness course where they still insist on using outdated breaking distance measurements to explain why travelling at 80mph on a motorway is an accident waiting to happen and is possibly the most 'unsafe' thing you can do in your motor vehicle.
    Originally posted by LegendaryMatt
    I've done the speed awareness course, and ironically had to speed to get home as they insisted on us waiting until bang on 12 midday despite us having covered all of the content a good 40 minutes earlier.

    The red light course involved me driving an instructors car, with someone else also caught for running a red light, for about 4 hours. She drove for 2 hours, I drove for 2 hours, and basically, this guy observed our driving, gave us tips, and we covered some stuff on why running a red light is dangerous. It was a very odd experience.
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th Jul 17, 3:34 PM
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    Did they not offer you a course? I ran a red light and did like a course for it. Which was an interesting experience.....
    Originally posted by Stoke
    How much like a course was the experience?
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th Jul 17, 3:35 PM
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    How exciting was that course then? I'd hope at least as exciting as the speed awareness course where they still insist on using outdated breaking distance measurements to explain why travelling at 80mph on a motorway is an accident waiting to happen and is possibly the most 'unsafe' thing you can do in your motor vehicle.
    Originally posted by LegendaryMatt


    With that attitude to things, I can see why you think it's also OK to run red lights.


    *braking*
    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:35 PM
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    If a speed awareness course was offered, the letter has 3 options:

    1. SAC
    2. Pay 100 and take the 3 points
    3. Other, meaning going to court

    Option 2 requires you to pay by post, phone or online, and also to send in your photocard licence as proof of identity. (The address is listed in option 2, as you have to send off the form anyway with proof of payment, and include the licence therein). If you didn't do the latter then you might find the NIP isn't complete and you end up with a court case.
    Originally posted by DoaM
    I did option 2 and remmeber paying by phone, but don't remember the letter saying to send my license or them telling me to send it on the phone. I dont have the letter to hand at the mo but i would have thought they would have sent another letter to remind me to send it to them?
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 17th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
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    How much like a course was the experience?
    Originally posted by BeenThroughItAll
    Not much in fact. It was more like a driving test

    But nice bit of grammar picking there.
    • TonyMMM
    • By TonyMMM 17th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
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    To comply with the terms of the offer of a fixed penalty you have to pay the fine AND send in your licence.

    You haven't done that, so it will revert to court proceedings. If/when you get a court date (or a single justice notice) you can try asking for the case to be dealt with at the fixed penalty rate. This is allowed where you couldn't comply with the offer for administrative reasons ..... in this case it is you own fault so they may/may not agree - but worth a try.

    Otherwise the fine will be income related , and there will be costs to pay on top.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 17th Jul 17, 3:40 PM
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    With that attitude to things, I can see why you think it's also OK to run red lights.


    *braking*
    Originally posted by BeenThroughItAll
    I also never said it's okay, but it seems your attitude isn't great either darling. Suppose virtue signalling and stuff.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 17th Jul 17, 3:43 PM
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    I did option 2 and remmeber paying by phone, but don't remember the letter saying to send my license or them telling me to send it on the phone. I dont have the letter to hand at the mo but i would have thought they would have sent another letter to remind me to send it to them?
    Originally posted by joed123

    Not necessarily. It's well past the 6 month point, so you may have been forgotten about, but don't hold your breath. Information about the charge needs to be submitted to the court by the prosecution body within 6 months of the offence.

    As far as insurance is concerned, not every insurer processes these things in the same way. It all depends on what the paperwork tells you to do. Look at the Ts and Cs of your policy and see what it says. Failure to follow it can lead to an absolute headache.
    • joed123
    • By joed123 17th Jul 17, 3:52 PM
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    To comply with the terms of the offer of a fixed penalty you have to pay the fine AND send in your licence.

    You haven't done that, so it will revert to court proceedings. If/when you get a court date (or a single justice notice) you can try asking for the case to be dealt with at the fixed penalty rate. This is allowed where you couldn't comply with the offer for administrative reasons ..... in this case it is you own fault so they may/may not agree - but worth a try.

    Otherwise the fine will be income related , and there will be costs to pay on top.
    Originally posted by TonyMMM
    how long do court proceedings take? I surely would have been conatcted by now?
    • TonyMMM
    • By TonyMMM 17th Jul 17, 4:31 PM
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    Proceedings have to be started within 6 months of the offence ...it can then take a few weeks for the summons to arrive with you, but it does sound like this may have slipped through the net.

    You could ring the ticket office - it is too late for them to start proceedings now, so no harm in asking.
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th Jul 17, 4:41 PM
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    I also never said it's okay, but it seems your attitude isn't great either darling. Suppose virtue signalling and stuff.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    You know that I wasn't replying to your post with that, right?

    It's not all about you, snowflake
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