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    • Iamfineyesterday
    • By Iamfineyesterday 16th Jul 17, 2:48 PM
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    Who responsiable for the graffti on my wall. Council owned alleyway.
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    • 16th Jul 17, 2:48 PM
    Who responsiable for the graffti on my wall. Council owned alleyway. 16th Jul 17 at 2:48 PM
    I live next to a alleyway which is owned by the council. It a public alleyway between our houses. My house is number 10 the alleyway and then number 12. People can walk through the alleyway to get to the other side. Recently I had a lot of people knocking on my door at night time and then running off. I have installed cctv cameras now. There also loads of people hanging around in the alleyway and recently there has been graffti on my wall.


    The people who have access to the alleyway are the public will I have to pay for the graffti to be removed or is it council responsiabitly. My house is very big and my garden is around 150ft including my house around 220ft. So to clean up the graffti each time is very expensive. I don't like calling the council for this as once its gets cleaned up they will do it again.
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    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 16th Jul 17, 2:54 PM
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    I live next to a alleyway which is owned by the council. It a public alleyway between our houses. My house is number 10 the alleyway and then number 12. People can walk through the alleyway to get to the other side. Recently I had a lot of people knocking on my door at night time and then running off. I have installed cctv cameras now. There also loads of people hanging around in the alleyway and recently there has been graffti on my wall.


    The people who have access to the alleyway are the public will I have to pay for the graffti to be removed or is it council responsiabitly. My house is very big and my garden is around 150ft including my house around 220ft. So to clean up the graffti each time is very expensive. I don't like calling the council for this as once its gets cleaned up they will do it again.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday
    Does the wall belong to you or the council?
    • z1a
    • By z1a 16th Jul 17, 2:57 PM
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    I would think it is your "responsiabitly"
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 16th Jul 17, 3:02 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 3:02 PM
    How long have you lived there?
    • thebullsback
    • By thebullsback 16th Jul 17, 5:14 PM
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    I would think its up to the "council" to clean it as its a environment and criminal act.Nothing drags a place down like Graffiti and the persons responsible should be made to scrub it off with toothbrushes whilst been soaked with ice water but so many spaghetti knitters and do gooders today ................ ah well.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 16th Jul 17, 5:34 PM
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    I would think its up to the "council" to clean it as its a environment and criminal act.Nothing drags a place down like Graffiti and the persons responsible should be made to scrub it off with toothbrushes whilst been soaked with ice water but so many spaghetti knitters and do gooders today ................ ah well.
    Originally posted by thebullsback
    But if it is your house then it is your responsibility just like if someone fly tips a load of stuff in your yard or garden that is also an environment and criminal act, but is it the property owners responsibility to clear it up
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th Jul 17, 5:34 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 5:34 PM
    I would think its up to the "council" to clean it as its a environment and criminal act.Nothing drags a place down like Graffiti and the persons responsible should be made to scrub it off with toothbrushes whilst been soaked with ice water but so many spaghetti knitters and do gooders today ................ ah well.
    Originally posted by thebullsback
    Why do you think the council should foot the bill for cleaning what maybe private property?
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 16th Jul 17, 6:25 PM
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    I would think its up to the "council" to clean it as its a environment and criminal act.Nothing drags a place down like Graffiti and the persons responsible should be made to scrub it off with toothbrushes whilst been soaked with ice water but so many spaghetti knitters and do gooders today ................ ah well.
    Originally posted by thebullsback
    Thanks for the information, it's a huge help for my graffiti problem!

    First call will be to the police to cart the miscreant away. A night in the cells should be a salutary lesson that defacing someone's property will not be tolerated.

    Second call will be to the council requesting their presence first thing in the morning armed with paint and rollers.

    Third call will be to the school to explain why the 6 year old won't be in school tomorrow.

    At least she used her ghastly purple glitter nail polish to daub on her bedroom wall rather than pinching mine, or I would be adding theft to her list of criminal charges
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 16th Jul 17, 6:35 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:35 PM
    recently there has been graffti on my wall.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday
    If it's your wall it's your responsibility to clean it.

    Longer term if you approach your councillor and your community constable you may be able to get the council to agree to (and pass the necessary Order) putting a gate across the alley with adjacent houses holding keys.

    The police often have temporary wireless cameras they could put in place for a few weeks to try and identify the perpetrators.
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    • photome
    • By photome 16th Jul 17, 7:15 PM
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    If it's a council house, then it's the councils job

    if you own the house why would it be anyone's responsibility other than yours or the perps if you can catch them.
    • Iamfineyesterday
    • By Iamfineyesterday 16th Jul 17, 7:28 PM
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    Thank you for the response guys. It's private property but the people who are doing the graffti are doing it from the alleyway as the alleyway is a path by our house so my wall and neighbour wall is exposed. If we did'nt have the alleyway we would'nt have graffti. I don't think they would lock the alleyway as it very popular.

    The other house across the alleyway has had the side on top of the fence grafftied. That is'nt the only problem as my neighbour propertry has also been burgulared. The alleyway connets to the other side of the road and both of these houses have also been robbed. Some one knock on my door around 10pm at night and ran off. We did'nt have any lights on so I am sure that they where trying to get in.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 16th Jul 17, 7:31 PM
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    Thank you for the response guys. It's private property but the people who are doing the graffti are doing it from the alleyway as the alleyway is a path by our house so my wall and neighbour wall is exposed. If we did'nt have the alleyway we would'nt have graffti. I don't think they would lock the alleyway as it very popular.

    The other house across the alleyway has had the side on top of the fence grafftied. That is'nt the only problem as my neighbour propertry has also been burgulared. The alleyway connets to the other side of the road and both of these houses have also been robbed. Some one knock on my door around 10pm at night and ran off. We did'nt have any lights on so I am sure that they where trying to get in.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday
    But if someone threw a load of rubbish over your low garden fence would you expect the council to remove it as it was from the public road. they would say it is your property you clean it up
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 16th Jul 17, 7:37 PM
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    If we did'nt have the alleyway we would'nt have graffti. I don't think they would lock the alleyway as it very popular.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday
    Isn't that a bit like saying that if there wasn't a road running outside of my house then burglars would have a much more difficult job getting to and breaking in to my property so if I'm robbed, it must be the fault of the council or government for putting a road there?

    Provided that the alleyway was legally put in place then the council won't be responsible for what users of that alleyway get up to.
    • Iamfineyesterday
    • By Iamfineyesterday 16th Jul 17, 7:44 PM
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    I lived here for 12 years. I've always cleaned it up. When I had a fence I would paint over it. But now when I made a brick wall it's very hard to remove it all the time. It's like saying If my neighbour chucked rubbish into my garden would I need to clean it?. If i chucked rubbish in the alley would the coucil clean it?.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 16th Jul 17, 7:45 PM
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    As burglary seems to be an issue in your area then you might want to consider having a monitored alarm installed, though this certainly isn't cheap (mine is £30+/month with ADT). The police response time has been around 5 minutes for both the alarm and the panic button on the 3 occasions they have been activated.
    • Iamfineyesterday
    • By Iamfineyesterday 16th Jul 17, 7:50 PM
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    I have adt and a cctv system. I pay £39 for adt a month. They charged me £45 to changed the batteries. They have loads of hidden charges. Charges for fobs for examples.
    Last edited by Iamfineyesterday; 16-07-2017 at 7:55 PM.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 16th Jul 17, 7:50 PM
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    I lived here for 12 years. I've always cleaned it up. When I had a fence I would paint over it. But now when I made a brick wall it's very hard to remove it all the time. It's like saying If my neighbour chucked rubbish into my garden would I need to clean it?. If i chucked rubbish in the alley would the coucil clean it?.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday
    If your fence was getting defaced with graffiti then why did you choose to replace it with a wall which would be more difficult to clean? A nice thick hedge would have been a better solution.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th Jul 17, 7:55 PM
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    If your fence was getting defaced with graffiti then why did you choose to replace it with a wall which would be more difficult to clean? A nice thick hedge would have been a better solution.
    Originally posted by LilElvis
    Yes and a thorny one at that.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 16th Jul 17, 7:56 PM
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    Thank you for the response guys. It's private property but the people who are doing the graffti are doing it from the alleyway as the alleyway is a path by our house so my wall and neighbour wall is exposed. If we did'nt have the alleyway we would'nt have graffti. I don't think they would lock the alleyway as it very popular.

    The other house across the alleyway has had the side on top of the fence grafftied. That is'nt the only problem as my neighbour propertry has also been burgulared. The alleyway connets to the other side of the road and both of these houses have also been robbed. Some one knock on my door around 10pm at night and ran off. We did'nt have any lights on so I am sure that they where trying to get in.
    Originally posted by Iamfineyesterday

    It's up to you to clean it.

    Have you reported and of the damage or antisocial behaviour to the police?
    • Iamfineyesterday
    • By Iamfineyesterday 16th Jul 17, 8:09 PM
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    I had a fence with barbed wire. It' did'nt look very nice and my garden is really big so would have been an eyesore . I decided to make a big long wall. The people on the road and I did report it to the police but as it was happening regularly gave up. If we want to sell the house a wall would look much better which I now think does.
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