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    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 16th Jul 17, 1:34 PM
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    UKPC -Driver Parked in a retail carpark space which thought was a space
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    • 16th Jul 17, 1:34 PM
    UKPC -Driver Parked in a retail carpark space which thought was a space 16th Jul 17 at 1:34 PM
    Hi all,

    Wondering if you could help, I know someone that had a ticket from UKPC

    the driver recently parked for a few minutes at a retail park, in a space which I believed was a parking space,
    there is defined colored brickwork around the bay which defines a zone, perfect size for a car. and on the opposite side too as another car had clearly done the same thing, the driver didnt realize it was not.

    It was an honest did not see this as when parking the driver was parking guess as they were drawn to the outline, not noticing the other bays.

    they was in the shop for around a minute or two before they could see the parking attendant at
    the car so they rushed out and apologized and explained It was an honest mistake incorrectly identifying it as a parking space because of the surroundings and markings, it looked like somewhere they could park, if they had known it was a non-parking space they would have not parked there.

    He said the ticket had already been issues so there is nothing he could do. this was all in the space of a few minutes of arriving and going in to the shop for 1 min.

    they have already sent an appeal with a picture but it states we will get back to you within 35 days

    they dont want to be paying this as they feel its unfair that there was a zone defined which legitimatly looked like a space.
    Last edited by dmo84; 17-07-2017 at 8:47 AM.
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 16th Jul 17, 5:10 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 5:10 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 5:10 PM
    edit the above to remove any hint of who did what, never post information like that on a public forum

    use these terms

    THE DRIVER (parked etc)

    THE KEEPER (received blah blah)

    I hope you did not tell UKPC who was driving , or infer it either

    the correct appeal is the one in blue from the NEWBIES sticky thread

    after that you await their reply , typically within the 35 days

    come back if you get a POPLA code

    and complain to the landholder and demand a cancellation , as keeper

    never mention who may have been driving
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 16th Jul 17, 6:06 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:06 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:06 PM
    Apologies,

    It looks like they may have already said that in the appeal, if they have already appealed does that stop the discount timer on the fine? Its going to be argued as there was a defined line around the zone a car would fit.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Jul 17, 6:08 PM
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    • #4
    • 16th Jul 17, 6:08 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:08 PM
    Who cares about the blinking bribe/discount, for Gawd's sake? £60 is not a bargain, stop looking at it as if it matters.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Redx
    • By Redx 16th Jul 17, 6:11 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:11 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:11 PM
    its not a "fine" either

    Its an INVOICE

    no PRIVATE PARKING COMPANY can "fine" YOU ,or ME , or THE QUEEN for that matter
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 16th Jul 17, 8:05 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 8:05 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 8:05 PM
    Does the signage / markings give any indication as to what the car-shaped space was for ? Was it hatched, had a wheelchair symbol, "pick up / deliveries only" etc. ?
    The signage probably says something about only parking in marked bays, and "the driver" parked n a marked bay. Some parking bays, nearer to the business, are reserved for only very brief parking ; perhaps "the driver" believed that was the case.

    It would also be interesting to know if the other car got a ticket ; maybe it was a decoy to mislead "the driver".
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 17th Jul 17, 8:17 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 8:17 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 8:17 AM
    The markings apparently are indication of an old tree planter which had been filled in with bricks, with grey bricks in the center where your car would be, and lighter reddish brickwork around the perimeter where a car would go, it was not a disabled space, or a loading bay.

    they are not sure on the other car.

    What does the driver do now the appeal was submitted?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 17th Jul 17, 8:33 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 8:33 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 8:33 AM
    Await the outcome. Too late now to change from the driver to the keeper if the driver has sent an appeal

    If it fails come back to the newbies FAQ thread for advice on a popla appeal and put it up here for comments
    Last edited by Quentin; 17-07-2017 at 8:35 AM.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 17th Jul 17, 8:39 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 8:39 AM
    This will hinge on pictures and signage. Get both and post here.
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 17th Jul 17, 8:46 AM
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    The driver has a picture of the car parked in the marked bay, but not of signage, would it be safe to post here marking out reg numbers?

    They don't have any pictures of signs but if need be can go back.

    Can anyone confirm if the discounter timer stops when appeal has been submitted?
    Last edited by dmo84; 17-07-2017 at 8:49 AM.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 17th Jul 17, 8:51 AM
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    discounter timer?

    the early payment discount is a gimmick designed to pressure people into paying.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 17th Jul 17, 9:34 AM
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    So ignore the early payment discount?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 17th Jul 17, 9:40 AM
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    So ignore the early payment discount?
    Originally posted by dmo84
    See #4 & #11
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Jul 17, 9:41 AM
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    So ignore the early payment discount?
    Originally posted by dmo84
    What are you thinking of doing with the 'early payment discount'?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 17th Jul 17, 10:06 AM
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    This whole industry works by bribery, lies, fake tickets, threats, bullying, doctoring photos etc.

    All the above have been reported on here time and time again.

    The early payment reduction is a bribe to get you to pay up a still ridiculous amount of money to bullies to make you give up without a fight, so they can move on to the next victim at minimal cost to them.
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 17th Jul 17, 5:40 PM
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    ok so in other words they should ignore that then.

    So, guess the driver should sit and wait to see if they reply now
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 18th Jul 17, 11:51 PM
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    The markings apparently are indication of an old tree planter which had been filled in with bricks, with grey bricks in the center where your car would be, and lighter reddish brickwork around the perimeter where a car would go, it was not a disabled space, or a loading bay.
    So it was a marked out, car-sized rectangle, very similar to the parking bays ; but the parking company insists it wasn't a parking bay. Do the owners of the retail park, state that those areas are / are not parking bays ; or is it the parking company which has decided ?

    The tree planter probably looked quite nice in its day, but has since been removed, at some cost. Either it was so unsightly / dangerous that it had to be removed ; or it was removed to provide another parking space, and hence increase revenue for the business. Increased revenue by more shopping is fine, increased revenue by parking charges isn't ; if the rectangles looked enough like normal parking bays to deceive people, I'd say that's fraud ( exposing someone to risk of loss ).

    It would be interesting to know how much money has been made from these "fake" parking areas ; and hence how generally they are perceived to be true bays ; an outline of coloured bricks is a common alternative to painted lines. If they really didn't want people to park there, a bit of white paint would say "No Parking", "Loading only", "HM The Queen & Prince Philip", "CEO & mistress" etc. Non-grey bricks could have been used to write the words / symbol.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 19th Jul 17, 12:11 AM
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    So it was a marked out, car-sized rectangle, very similar to the parking bays ; but the parking company insists it wasn't a parking bay. Do the owners of the retail park, state that those areas are / are not parking bays ; or is it the parking company which has decided ?

    The tree planter probably looked quite nice in its day, but has since been removed, at some cost. Either it was so unsightly / dangerous that it had to be removed ; or it was removed to provide another parking space, and hence increase revenue for the business. Increased revenue by more shopping is fine, increased revenue by parking charges isn't ; if the rectangles looked enough like normal parking bays to deceive people, I'd say that's fraud ( exposing someone to risk of loss ).

    It would be interesting to know how much money has been made from these "fake" parking areas ; and hence how generally they are perceived to be true bays ; an outline of coloured bricks is a common alternative to painted lines. If they really didn't want people to park there, a bit of white paint would say "No Parking", "Loading only", "HM The Queen & Prince Philip", "CEO & mistress" etc. Non-grey bricks could have been used to write the words / symbol.
    Originally posted by Geoff1963
    seem to recall PP blogged about those false bays , now go to the planning department and get site of the plans that were accepted for the site to be built , read how many bays were stipulated , then start walking the site , very easy for a parking co to introduce "honey traps" as a form of steady income
    • dmo84
    • By dmo84 19th Jul 17, 12:36 PM
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    They will probably fight the cause that it was a marked bay, and there was no clear indication that it wasnt a parking space.


    In reply
    "So it was a marked out, car-sized rectangle, very similar to the parking bays ; but the parking company insists it wasn't a parking bay. Do the owners of the retail park, state that those areas are / are not parking bays ; or is it the parking company which has decided ?" - Yes this is correct, marked out size rectangle, size that would say that would mimic a normal bay.

    They do not know about the retail carpark owners, if they find out do they contact them and ask?


    There is no other markings around in stipulating "no parking"
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 19th Jul 17, 12:46 PM
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    it is defined by the planning department , not by a trumped up ex clamper who is short of ready cash
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