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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 16th Jul 17, 10:28 AM
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    Fight the French
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    • 16th Jul 17, 10:28 AM
    Fight the French 16th Jul 17 at 10:28 AM
    this thread now edited to remove original (stupid) fund crowding request to fund payment of fines , therefore most of the replies now make no sense !



    EDIT : a further crowd funding page has now been set up , this time to raise funds for an appeal

    https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/nhsvindigo

    I agree and will be assisting in this
    Last edited by pappa golf; 16-07-2017 at 6:48 PM.
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    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 17th Jul 17, 8:29 PM
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    Half_way
    Right, I have fired off a FoI request to the trust for sight of the contract with Indigo.

    Let's see what they come back with.
    Originally posted by Cygnus Alpha
    blah blah blah commercial confidentially at a guess.



    It also made it to Radio 4 just after 5pm here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08xxddk#play starts at 18min 10 ( available for 29days)

    No doubt the PPC's in particular Indigo will be crowing over this, and thats a good thing, as the more the PPCs stick their head above the parapet then the more people will see just what these companies are up to.
    As for publicity, it would be better to focus on how Nurses, Care workers, Porters and other essential Hospital staff are falling victim, as opposed to just Nurses and Doctors.

    Depending on how things go, and on how well the publicity machine can dish the dirt on PPCs at Hospitals, things may not look too good for the PPCs, as they hopefully will fall victim to their own greed.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 17th Jul 17, 8:38 PM
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    It's all part of the Tories plan to shut the NHS down. Under fund it so it can't provide the services that people want. So get the public unhappy. Don't pay the staff so get the staff unhappy. Why are pensioners guaranteed a minimum pay rise of 2.5% every year but NHS workers get a maximum pay rise of 1%? I think the Tories want some NHS strikes so they can say "look it's not working, we need privatization".
    Originally posted by fred246
    What a small minded comment.
    Originally posted by Guys Dad
    Actually to be fair Guys Dad I found myself thinking very similar thoughts very quickly.

    The tories are known to be privatising everything, the NHS is the last major public service left and health care is always worth mega money.

    What better than to destroy the NHS from within? Plant the poisonous seeds of doubt and the staff themselves will destroy it from within and spread the poison. Next thing you know its a failing service just like british rail... and it can only be fixed via privatisation.

    It's all about strategy. The tories know how to use strategies to their advantage... well they did until TM took the helm..
    • Cygnus Alpha
    • By Cygnus Alpha 17th Jul 17, 8:56 PM
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    blah blah blah commercial confidentially at a guess.
    Originally posted by Half_way
    Commercial confidentiality in itself is not an exemption under FOI. They would have to explain or demonstrate a significant negative consequence of the disclosure - which in itself would be quite interesting.

    https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-freedom-of-information/refusing-a-request/
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jul 17, 9:29 PM
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    Actually to be fair Guys Dad I found myself thinking very similar thoughts very quickly.

    The tories are known to be privatising everything, the NHS is the last major public service left and health care is always worth mega money.

    What better than to destroy the NHS from within? Plant the poisonous seeds of doubt and the staff themselves will destroy it from within and spread the poison. Next thing you know its a failing service just like british rail... and it can only be fixed via privatisation.

    It's all about strategy. The tories know how to use strategies to their advantage... well they did until TM took the helm..
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    It may happen but it will take years and years ahead
    Until then they have to keep topping up the NHS from the magic money tree

    When the NHS was born, it was assumed that the max people
    would live was three score years and ten .... max

    Now we have a mega ageing population with mega costs involved
    and not enough people paying into the system at the bottom.

    The NHS is a prime Multi Level Marketing operation with not enough
    people at the bottom to support those at the top of the chain.

    As the note which was left by the previous government said
    "We have no money left" ???

    It is bording on implosion
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Jul 17, 9:33 PM
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40628560
    • henrik777
    • By henrik777 17th Jul 17, 9:34 PM
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    DJ Coates Does NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCAM

    If a judge does not understand the law then a mistrial should be declared. If a few hundred/thousand people complain to their M.Ps about this decision it will, one hopes, force the DOJ to review the case.

    If this is her

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/BWN7N7C1yLqfkK8-AvB6sd9tgf4/appointments

    she specialises in family law and conveyancing. I doubt very much that she is familiar with the tricks PPCs get up to. I cannot see this judgement holding.
    Originally posted by The Deep
    You think judges know the laws of every civil case in front of them ?

    Each party gets to put evidence and legal arguments before the judge and it's up to them to make sure they place enough of the correct information to let the judge make the correct decision.

    If the judge makes an error then you can appeal. Errors can be anything from a misunderstanding through to bias.
    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 17th Jul 17, 10:33 PM
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    The Lay Rep who many are blaming for this outcome has come out with a statement on the Parking Prankster blog:

    Actually, Sue, I wasn't conducting Mr Dadswell's case, I only acted as his Lay rep. Mr Dadswell was provided with, and submitted, all of the relevant evidence before his March hearing; this documentation was provided by a Bargepole, well known of this parish.

    Additionally, didn't the same Bargepole write both of Mr Beavis's clients skeletons, and didn't he and Mr Beavis decide not to have his clients give evidence?

    There seems to be some sort of myth that I was involved in all 78 cases - I wasn't, my company was involved in one for which I was asked, by you, to Ley rep, I was a lay rep for another that was adjourned, and I assisted with a set aside in a third. But that was it - I didn't write any of the documents, I didn't conduct the case, I merely represented one of the clients.

    Also, for the record, if I hadn't asked Mr Dadswell to sack me, I would have had to excuse myself as my interest in being joined as a party for costs is in clear conflict to Mr Dadswell's interest. Despite this, my company has refuded Mr Dadswell's fees, and we have ourselves paid out over £750 in expenses to support TEPAG and our customer.

    However, as my conduct has not been determined by the court as having been unreasonable, as this is not being heard until 1 September, it's a bit premature for anyone to be accusing me of anything, including a barrister in open court reciting the lies of ZZPS.

    It is worth noting that consideration is being made as to whether at least one witness will be reported for perjury - can anyone guess who?

    Publicly, I will say this - if I am found liable in Unreasonable Conduct, I will absorb the entire costs bill personally. I will also, having been joined, be appealing the judgment on four grounds, including one of the points which the Judge says was argued unreasonably.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/judgment-on-12-million-of-outstanding.html?m=1#comment-form
    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 17th Jul 17, 10:34 PM
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    I have been asked to remove this post, so I am doing.
    Last edited by Ryandavis1959; 17-07-2017 at 11:07 PM.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Jul 17, 10:39 PM
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    The big news is that he confirms that he will definitely appeal SO THE NURSES CAN GET JUSTICE!
    Originally posted by Ryandavis1959
    HE, as in singular?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th Jul 17, 10:49 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Does anyone else understand the nuances in the above two posts?

    Nope, is it just me...time will tell.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 17th Jul 17, 10:52 PM
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    I have been asked to remove this post, so I have.
    Last edited by Ryandavis1959; 17-07-2017 at 11:11 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th Jul 17, 10:54 PM
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    No speculation, eh, Ryandavis1959; it's not the smart thing to do.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 17th Jul 17, 11:04 PM
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    It may happen but it will take years and years ahead
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    It will happen alright and it will be quicker than you realise.

    IF you read a lot of the comments on the dailymail article there are so many haters of the nurses in this case - people wrongly slagging them off for not paying to park etc. The attitude is absolutely appalling.

    When there is that much hate for a state funded service that the state wants to scrap... Remember British Rail? - People couldn't stop moaning about that either and now pay higher fares than ever and the railways are still taxpayer subsidised - a lot more than BR!

    Don't be so doubtful about it. Just because it sounds far fetched doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.
    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 17th Jul 17, 11:10 PM
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    It will happen alright and it will be quicker than you realise.

    IF you read a lot of the comments on the dailymail article there are so many haters of the nurses in this case - people wrongly slagging them off for not paying to park etc. The attitude is absolutely appalling.

    When there is that much hate for a state funded service that the state wants to scrap... Remember British Rail? - People couldn't stop moaning about that either and now pay higher fares than ever and the railways are still taxpayer subsidised - a lot more than BR!

    Don't be so doubtful about it. Just because it sounds far fetched doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    The worst comments are on The Sun. Barry Beavis himself posted a link to the gofundmepage. He got abuse off people for it and sarcastic comments. The general comments thread was vile against the nurses!

    The Sun and the Daily mail are both nasty papers but it's pathetic that they are so popular. Their comments are always awful.
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 17th Jul 17, 11:23 PM
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    Yes I noticed the trolls have crawled out en-masse to slag the nhs off and crucify them. They won't be happy until they see it collapse and then they'll whinge that there is no medical help for them... and blame everyone but themselves for it.

    Incidentally (and it took me a while to realise why) the hospitals website isn't responding. At first i thought it was my connection but i think they've been hacked as several minutes later i still can't get any pages on the site to display.
    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 17th Jul 17, 11:42 PM
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    It will happen alright and it will be quicker than you realise.

    IF you read a lot of the comments on the dailymail article there are so many haters of the nurses in this case - people wrongly slagging them off for not paying to park etc. The attitude is absolutely appalling.

    When there is that much hate for a state funded service that the state wants to scrap... Remember British Rail? - People couldn't stop moaning about that either and now pay higher fares than ever and the railways are still taxpayer subsidised - a lot more than BR!

    Don't be so doubtful about it. Just because it sounds far fetched doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    Yes I noticed the trolls have crawled out en-masse to slag the nhs off and crucify them. They won't be happy until they see it collapse and then they'll whinge that there is no medical help for them... and blame everyone but themselves for it.

    Incidentally (and it took me a while to realise why) the hospitals website isn't responding. At first i thought it was my connection but i think they've been hacked as several minutes later i still can't get any pages on the site to display.
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    That's interesting, as the Indigo website was also down earlier today.

    There will always be people taking shots at the NHS, but all healthcare professionals should have free parking like they do in Scotland, as well as free patient parking.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 18th Jul 17, 6:29 AM
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    There will always be people taking shots at the NHS, but all healthcare professionals should have free parking like they do in Scotland, as well as free patient parking.
    While you claim to know a lot about our northern neighbours you appear to have gaps in that knowledge.

    All Scots hospitals have free parking except for two types - PFI and where the parking company lease the parking from the Trust. Like the Indigo one at Ninewells where staff and visitors are being hounded in a test case similar to the Cardiff one.

    Hope Indigo have paid their PR company's bills.
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
    LoC
    • bargepole
    • By bargepole 18th Jul 17, 8:34 AM
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    ... There seems to be some sort of myth that I was involved in all 78 cases - I wasn't, my company was involved in one for which I was asked, by you, to Ley rep, I was a lay rep for another that was adjourned, and I assisted with a set aside in a third. But that was it - I didn't write any of the documents, I didn't conduct the case, I merely represented one of the clients.
    Originally posted by Ryandavis1959
    Just to rebut some of the many inaccuracies and lies in this statement:

    From the official transcript of the Case Management hearing (page 137 of the bundle):

    THE DISTRICT JUDGE: How many are there? is it dealt with in one of the letters?
    MR W*****: (Short pause) Madam, if it assists, I am instructed it is 27 cases in total.

    Also:

    "I didn't write any of the documents" is completely untrue. The Lay Rep in question sent several notices to the instructing solicitors accusing them of unreasonable behaviour, and threatening to hit them for substantial costs. He also wrote the skeleton for one of the defendants, and filed a Hearsay Notice to say that one potential witness would be unable to attend.
    Speeding cases fought: 24 (3 of mine, 21 for others). Cases won: 20. Points on licence: 0. Private Parking Court Cases: Won 28. Lost 9.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 18th Jul 17, 8:54 AM
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    While you claim to know a lot about our northern neighbours you appear to have gaps in that knowledge.

    All Scots hospitals have free parking except for two types - PFI and where the parking company lease the parking from the Trust. Like the Indigo one at Ninewells where staff and visitors are being hounded in a test case similar to the Cardiff one.

    Hope Indigo have paid their PR company's bills.
    Originally posted by IamEmanresu
    I think there's 3 Scottish hospitals that still have paid for parking, and I understand that's just until the contracts expire. That could be a while for the PFI hospitals though.
    • Ryandavis1959
    • By Ryandavis1959 18th Jul 17, 7:38 PM
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    The Labour First Minister has now claimed that the parking "rules" have to be enforced because there was a death due to "illegal" parking at the hospital. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40644807

    I think it's clear that the English and Welsh establishment is happy with the situation of nurses having to pay £150,000 in parking tickets and this potentially hurts any hope with an appeal, because if the politicians are appealing to emotion like this then the Judges will no doubt follow their paymasters.

    (Of course if there truly was a death due to "illegal parking" I doubt it was one of the defendants but RIP that person).
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