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    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 15th Jul 17, 10:23 PM
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    On Burying Treasure
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    • 15th Jul 17, 10:23 PM
    On Burying Treasure 15th Jul 17 at 10:23 PM
    I want to stash some cash, about a month's net salary, in a safe place, so that, if I become a fugitive, I can retrieve the assets.

    Clearly, I need to hide the money away from my residence/land, so presumably on land which I don't own.

    Has anyone got any useful advice on maximizing the security and availability of hidden physical-asset stashes? Burying treasure seems to be a lost art these days.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    Last edited by FatherAbraham; 15-07-2017 at 10:32 PM.
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    • veryintrigued
    • By veryintrigued 15th Jul 17, 10:29 PM
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    Drop me a PM and I'll let you know my post code and house number.

    I'll even lend you a spade.
    • DiggerUK
    • By DiggerUK 15th Jul 17, 10:30 PM
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    Shove it, means shove it
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    • 15th Jul 17, 10:30 PM
    I suggest a dark place, easily found by bending as far forward as you can..._
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    • Zanderman
    • By Zanderman 15th Jul 17, 10:43 PM
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    Burying treasure seems to be a lost art these days.
    Originally posted by FatherAbraham
    How can you tell? Treasure buriers are hardly likely to tell anyone - the whole point of the exercise is to keep it secret. Rather than a 'lost art' it may be very common and happening all over the place - but no-one will ever know (how common it is)....
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 15th Jul 17, 11:09 PM
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    How can you tell? Treasure buriers are hardly likely to tell anyone - the whole point of the exercise is to keep it secret. Rather than a 'lost art' it may be very common and happening all over the place - but no-one will ever know (how common it is)....
    Originally posted by Zanderman
    How do I know? Because the topic is little discussed.

    Just as an effective encryption algorithm must be openly reviewed and criticised, with the strength of protection depending solely on the secrecy of the key (Kerckhoff's Principle), so an effective physical-asset concealment technique will be better for public discussion, with only the specific details of a particular concealment needing to be secret.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    • RG2015
    • By RG2015 16th Jul 17, 8:03 AM
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    Watch the first Jason Bourne film but try to avoid almost getting killed many times. Oh sorry, yes, you need to join the CIA (Covert Investments Anonymous) as well.
    Last edited by RG2015; 16-07-2017 at 8:29 AM.
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 16th Jul 17, 8:27 AM
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    So there's a (Usonian) blog dedicated to underground asset caching, which covers some aspects: https://howtoburyyourvaluables.wordpress.com

    What's possibly missing from that is a thorough discussion of location diversification, and site-selection criteria.

    Useful stuff on packaging the cache, though.

    Retrieval is also an issue - it's not easy to show up in the middle of a municipal park, or even a cemetery, and start digging without drawing attention.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    • Alter ego
    • By Alter ego 16th Jul 17, 8:30 AM
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    Boating friend of mine stashes his in the river bank!
    Ignore me if you like, it's not the real me anyway.
    • RG2015
    • By RG2015 16th Jul 17, 8:32 AM
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    Can the term "burying" be used metaphorically?
    • Biggles
    • By Biggles 16th Jul 17, 8:46 AM
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    I am mainly curious about what deed might cause you to become a fugitive, and when you are planning this?

    And why only a month's pay, why not a year's, to give you time to get settled into your (presumed) new identity?

    But moorland would be good. Just think how long they were trying unsuccessfully to find the location of Brady's last victim and were never successful; yet they seemed to suspect that he could have gone straight to it.

    Edit: Is it possible to shield it in some way from metal detectors, or bury it too deep or something?
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 16th Jul 17, 9:07 AM
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    why only a month's pay, why not a year's, to give you time to get settled into your (presumed) new identity?
    Originally posted by Biggles
    Because only the initial period's assets need to be cached in liquid form, so that they can be used immediately.

    Physical caches are risky and expensive to operate, so further assets for such an emergency should be cached/hidden in less-available storage.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    • DiggerUK
    • By DiggerUK 16th Jul 17, 9:58 AM
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    I don't make this sh!t up you know
    I suggest a dark place, easily found by bending as far forward as you can..._
    Originally posted by DiggerUK
    It's a simple plan, for a simple man Stan. Fully explained for butterfly brains by the end of the first paragraph.
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    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 16th Jul 17, 10:07 AM
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    Of course, what one needs in order to design any effective security system is a realistic threat analysis.
    • Discovery and theft of cache
    • Losing the cache - forgetting the location
    • Losing access to the cache - someone's built a house or road on top of it
    • Physical damage to contents
    • Inflationary damage to cache's value
    • Cached banknotes becoming obsolete

    Each threat needs a mitigating design feature in proportion to it's likelihood and gravity of consequences.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 16th Jul 17, 12:03 PM
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    Good film, very funny ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Job_(film)
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 17th Jul 17, 6:31 AM
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    Another useful precaution seems to be not carrying a smartphone when creating the asset cachee, to avoid leaving an electronic clue trail.
    • mollycat
    • By mollycat 17th Jul 17, 8:11 AM
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    Burying money in the ground is so yesterday, who do you think you are Samuel Pepys?

    Security Box is your friend, under an assumed name.

    Might be best to start getting a comprehensive set of disguises and false identities ready for your time on the run; wigs, hats, false moustaches etc, etc.

    Practice some different accents as well!

    I wish you well in your venture.
    • Zanderman
    • By Zanderman 17th Jul 17, 9:25 AM
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    How do I know? Because the topic is little discussed
    Originally posted by FatherAbraham
    Perhaps you're just not moving in the right social circles.
    • AndyT678
    • By AndyT678 17th Jul 17, 9:38 AM
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    if I become a fugitive...
    Originally posted by FatherAbraham
    Is nobody else curious?

    FA - from what are you fleeing? Don't say "winter is coming".
    • Clive Woody
    • By Clive Woody 17th Jul 17, 10:36 AM
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    Lockers in train stations seem popular locations for stashing bags of kit for folk on the run...if Hollywood is to be believed. Not sure how often lockers are emptied by cleaning staff.
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    • schiff
    • By schiff 17th Jul 17, 11:02 AM
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    Nobody would think of looking for a load of money in the confessional booth. Why not create a secret compartment under your seat?

    Mind you if you are expecting to become a fugitive from what I think you may be becoming a fugitive from, it may not be the best idea. Getting unfrocked would really be the last straw.
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