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    • Dullville
    • By Dullville 15th Jul 17, 6:06 PM
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    ESA, permitted work and WTC
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    ESA, permitted work and WTC 15th Jul 17 at 6:06 PM
    Is it possible to receive WTC whilst on ESA if your receiving pay for permitted work?
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    • missbunbury
    • By missbunbury 15th Jul 17, 6:14 PM
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    If it's income related ESA then WTC would affect the amount you'd get, plus you normally have to work at least sixteen hours a week for WTC and that's outside the usual permitted work for ESA...
    • epitome
    • By epitome 15th Jul 17, 6:55 PM
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    It follows therefore that you would only be interested in WTC if you had ESA Conts or an amount of ESA Conts within your ESA IR.

    As I understand it WTC usually requires 30 hours(?) of work a week before it can be claimed, but you can reduce that to 16 hours of work under certain exceptions.

    As above they are correct that 16 hours of paid work on ESA would normally result in the ESA being closed. (permitted work is normally under 16 hours). I believe that Supported Permitted work on ESA can be full time 37 hours a week, but you are not going to get Supported Permitted work in normal claimant circumstances.

    There is also voluntary work, you can do voluntary unpaid work on ESA full time if you want to. Or permitted work under 15 hours and another 15 hours of voluntary work. This I believe would then qualify you for 30 hours of work to get WTC. Which would then not affect an ESA C claim.
    • Darksparkle
    • By Darksparkle 16th Jul 17, 6:00 AM
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    It follows therefore that you would only be interested in WTC if you had ESA Conts or an amount of ESA Conts within your ESA IR.

    As I understand it WTC usually requires 30 hours(?) of work a week before it can be claimed, but you can reduce that to 16 hours of work under certain exceptions.

    As above they are correct that 16 hours of paid work on ESA would normally result in the ESA being closed. (permitted work is normally under 16 hours). I believe that Supported Permitted work on ESA can be full time 37 hours a week, but you are not going to get Supported Permitted work in normal claimant circumstances.

    There is also voluntary work, you can do voluntary unpaid work on ESA full time if you want to. Or permitted work under 15 hours and another 15 hours of voluntary work. This I believe would then qualify you for 30 hours of work to get WTC. Which would then not affect an ESA C claim.
    Originally posted by epitome
    Voluntary work is normally unpaid and not considered remunerative employment so wouldn't qualify for WTC.
    • Dullville
    • By Dullville 16th Jul 17, 8:16 PM
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    It follows therefore that you would only be interested in WTC if you had ESA Conts or an amount of ESA Conts within your ESA IR.

    As I understand it WTC usually requires 30 hours(?) of work a week before it can be claimed, but you can reduce that to 16 hours of work under certain exceptions.

    As above they are correct that 16 hours of paid work on ESA would normally result in the ESA being closed. (permitted work is normally under 16 hours). I believe that Supported Permitted work on ESA can be full time 37 hours a week, but you are not going to get Supported Permitted work in normal claimant circumstances.

    There is also voluntary work, you can do voluntary unpaid work on ESA full time if you want to. Or permitted work under 15 hours and another 15 hours of voluntary work. This I believe would then qualify you for 30 hours of work to get WTC. Which would then not affect an ESA C claim.
    Originally posted by epitome
    What is the min hours reqd for WTC if on the highest rate of care(PIP)
    If the person involved was to take the part time position (16 hours per week) surely it's in her interests to close ESA claim down and claim WTC?
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 16th Jul 17, 10:59 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 10:59 PM
    What is the min hours reqd for WTC if on the highest rate of care(PIP)
    If the person involved was to take the part time position (16 hours per week) surely it's in her interests to close ESA claim down and claim WTC?
    Originally posted by Dullville
    It's 16 hours minimum. Can't comment on the other question as no idea on the OP circumstances, but surely that's for them to decide and no one else....
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 17th Jul 17, 4:29 PM
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    for ESA permitted work, the claimant has to work LESS than 16 hours. for WTC its 16 hours or more.

    there can be no overlap, its less than 16 hours or 16 hours or more
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