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    • Kookygirl
    • By Kookygirl 14th Jul 17, 10:32 PM
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    How much to heat a home with electricity
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    • 14th Jul 17, 10:32 PM
    How much to heat a home with electricity 14th Jul 17 at 10:32 PM
    Good evening,

    I'm potentially moving into a new property in a month or so and starting to worry about how much the energy bills are going to increase. The new home is electricity only as there is no gas in the area. I've read it can be 3-4 more expensive than gas. I live alone and it's a 3 bed mid-terrace 17-18th century house. Can anyone living alone tell me how much they spend on electricity a month in a similar sized property?

    Thanks,

    Nathalie
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 15th Jul 17, 8:39 AM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 8:39 AM
    Do you have Night storage Heaters? and are you on an Economy 7 tariff?

    Many electrically heated properties do have storage heating/Economy7/10 as it is the cheapest form of electrical heating* and you can heat hot water overnight.

    * some might argue that a heat pump is cheaper; other would disagree.
    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 15th Jul 17, 10:27 AM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 10:27 AM
    Also does it have double glazing? I guess something that old may be Listed.
    • Kookygirl
    • By Kookygirl 15th Jul 17, 11:53 AM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 11:53 AM
    Thanks for the replies. It is listed, but has secondary glazing on most windows. I checked with the supplier yesterday and it is currently on economy 7 and the property description says that the heaters are storage heaters. However, I don't think Economy 7 will be cost effective for me, because as I'm a freelancer that works from home, i'll probably be using most of my electricity during the day when it is more expensive on Economy 7. Furthermore, I'm not a fan of storage heaters, I remember 10-15 years ago when I was at uni having these, and you didn't have any control of when the heating came on and I remember being cold a lot!

    I've not heard of Economy 10 though, it looks like something that could work for me if I can get the right off peak hours during the day.

    There is also a wood burner, not sure how cost effective this will be to use but could potentially heat the house reasonably well.
    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 15th Jul 17, 12:38 PM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 12:38 PM
    Dimplex heating quote the following numbers for a 3-bedroom flat built to 1960s standards of insulation, glazing and draughtproofing:



    So around 16,000 kWh ('Units') of electricity which they price at about £1500.

    If you are at home during the day then night-storage radiators would actually suit you well since they give out heat throughout the day. You might find that you need to supplement the heating in evenings, though.

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    Last edited by coffeehound; 15-07-2017 at 12:40 PM.
    • Kookygirl
    • By Kookygirl 15th Jul 17, 1:03 PM
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    oh my god £1500, I could weep. Thanks for the info though. I spend £56 a month on my current dual fuel in a 3 bed terrace. E7 doesn't seem feasible unfortunately. I may stick with the existing storage heaters and see how I get on though I was hoping to replace them as they are an eye sore.

    I read about infrared heating which seems to be more efficient than convector panel heaters but they are relatively expensive to buy... Does anyone have any experience of infrared hearers and whether they really do save a lot of money in bills?
    • frugalmacdugal
    • By frugalmacdugal 15th Jul 17, 1:14 PM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 1:14 PM
    Hi,

    well, as you work from home during the day you will get the benefit of the E7 heating that is at it's warmest in the morning pumping out, after the overnight charge.

    Folks out working all day complain it's getting cold by the time they get home.

    During the summer months if you need heat, you could use a halogen heater on one bar for direct heat.
    Y'all take care now.
    • Kookygirl
    • By Kookygirl 15th Jul 17, 1:45 PM
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    You may be right, I'll keep the E7 in place to begin with and see how my bills stack up. It's going to be trying to get used to a different approach of living. I am used to being able to use heating whenever I want (and switch it off when I don't want it) and use appliances etc at any time of day.

    Do you know if all the suppliers use the same economy 7 hours (e.g. midnight to 7am) or do they vary slightly from supplier to supplier?
    • frugalmacdugal
    • By frugalmacdugal 15th Jul 17, 1:51 PM
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    • 15th Jul 17, 1:51 PM
    Hi,

    here's a map, though not sure how accurate the times might be, and depends if your clock is at right time.

    Y'all take care now.
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 15th Jul 17, 3:33 PM
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    Good evening,

    I'm potentially moving into a new property in a month or so and starting to worry about how much the energy bills are going to increase. The new home is electricity only as there is no gas in the area. I've read it can be 3-4 more expensive than gas. I live alone and it's a 3 bed mid-terrace 17-18th century house. Can anyone living alone tell me how much they spend on electricity a month in a similar sized property?

    Thanks,

    Nathalie
    Originally posted by Kookygirl
    - £800-1000pa
    - you can not compare gas v electric heating, you do not have gas
    - E7 night store is by far the cheapest option
    - E10 [x10] hours E7 [x7] hours, obviously 10 is more than 7 you decide
    - timings are an unnecessary distracting hang up at this point
    - a kWh is a kWh, all electric heating costs the same
    - day heating [core] is 2-3 times more expensive than [nightstore]
    - you will always need and instant 'on demand' other heater
    - input, the total amount you store is important. output [IMO] should be slammed shut and left alone

    Timings and tariff costs are determined by the [supplier] area code you live in. The more cheap stuff you store overnight the less expensive day rate you will use. E10 is the luxury end of E7, you get x3 more hours than E7 delivered and day as well as night top up. The monthly cost is the worst way to think, [CAC] annual costs ÷ 12 monthly payments, plus [your own] meter reads supplied and the best tariff and discounts you can get is your starting point. If you have the maximum input and are still cold you do not have enough 'stored cheap heat'. Best of luck.
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    • frugalmacdugal
    • By frugalmacdugal 15th Jul 17, 3:57 PM
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    Hi,

    wouldn't bother changing to E10, might cost you more to change.

    Instead, make sure that you use the heaters correctly.

    Keep output shut, and adjust input according to weather forecast for next day, you'll get used to it.
    Y'all take care now.
    • Kookygirl
    • By Kookygirl 15th Jul 17, 8:46 PM
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    Thank you everyone, I really appreciate this information. I'm completely new to electric heating and there seems to be a lot to it, especially if you want to save money. I was just thinking about hot water? Occasionally I like to have a hot bath in the evening especially in winter, can the hot water be stored in the tank if heated the night before or do I just have to pay for that on the higher rate?
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 15th Jul 17, 10:34 PM
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    Good evening,

    I'm potentially moving into a new property in a month or so and starting to worry about how much the energy bills are going to increase. The new home is electricity only as there is no gas in the area. I've read it can be 3-4 more expensive than gas. I live alone and it's a 3 bed mid-terrace 17-18th century house. Can anyone living alone tell me how much they spend on electricity a month in a similar sized property?

    Thanks,

    Nathalie
    Originally posted by Kookygirl
    Ask the existing/previous tenants what their typical bills are and/or refer to the EPC
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 15th Jul 17, 10:40 PM
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    ...However, I don't think Economy 7 will be cost effective for me, because as I'm a freelancer that works from home, i'll probably be using most of my electricity during the day when it is more expensive on Economy 7....
    Originally posted by Kookygirl
    Hopefully you have storage heaters that take advantage of low rate E7

    You can only really make the assessment you have once you know how much electricity you use according to both registries, and then have consulted a comparison site.

    It seems you're renting, so you probably cannot change the meters (or will be charged if you do)
    So apart from a very limited few suppliers, you will have no choice than to be on E7.

    If you don't want E7, then I suggest you look for another property.
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 15th Jul 17, 10:42 PM
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    ... I'm completely new to electric heating ...
    Originally posted by Kookygirl
    This doesn't make sense as previously you wrote

    ... Furthermore, I'm not a fan of storage heaters, I remember 10-15 years ago when I was at uni having these, ....
    Originally posted by Kookygirl


    Only leaves me to wish you good luck!
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 15th Jul 17, 10:54 PM
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    There is also a wood burner, not sure how cost effective this will be to use but could potentially heat the house reasonably well.
    Originally posted by Kookygirl
    Depends on the wood burner and its efficiency but I didn't use my gas central heating at all last winter given it was so mild and my stove pretty efficient and effective at heating the fabric of the house.

    Now is the time to get your chimney swept (reminding myself too!), and to stock up on wood if you are going to use it. I never buy any and have learnt to scrounge and use a bow saw, electric chain saw and splitting axe! I save on the gym too!
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