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    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 14th Jul 17, 8:00 AM
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    WASPI - Early day motion EDM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 8:00 AM
    WASPI - Early day motion EDM 14th Jul 17 at 8:00 AM
    The GRASPI's are enraged. They've had their EDM amended, and it now includes this.

    after 'a' delete to 'that' in line 3 and insert 'a cost-neutral early retirement option'.
    This is NO use to them whatsoever, as they know they'll never be able to get that with the estimated 77bn of tax payers money that will be needed to fund their demands.

    They've been showing their 'true colours' over on twitter.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WASPI_Campaign?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    These are the same GRASPI woman who'll be crying foul, when there's no money left in the NHS, to pay for their welfare in their old age.
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    • Archi Bald
    • By Archi Bald 14th Jul 17, 9:50 AM
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    The amendment is bizarre, as he seems to still be asking for compensation, and as an early pension is by definition only attractive to those who also have other means and don't exclusively rely on their state pension. As to cost-neutral: nobody can tell whether it was cost-neutral until after the death of the person receiving the money. What is obvious is that it would, in the short and medium term, require additional taxpayer funds - thus is anything but cost-neutral in that time period.

    Frank Field has been on about a cost-neutral early pension on and off for about a year. Either he is not smart enough to figure out the flaws in his proposal, or he is consciously trying to conceive.

    The reaction of your typical WASPI is very telling, though. The very last thing they are interested in is any proposal that doesn't give everyone last one of them maximum moollah. Ghastly women.
    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 14th Jul 17, 10:32 AM
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    The option for (all) people to take a reduced pension has flaws, but it is something worth exploring and debating.

    It's irrelevant what the GRASPIs think of it. The government doesn't need to run any state pension ideas by them, any more than they need to anyone else.
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 14th Jul 17, 12:05 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:05 PM
    Not a good day for GRASPI's
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:05 PM
    They've been given the bum's rush again!

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    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 14th Jul 17, 12:32 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:32 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:32 PM
    The option for (all) people to take a reduced pension has flaws, but it is something worth exploring and debating. Posted by bmm78
    I think this has been considered, but rejected on the grounds that only the 'better off' would be able to access their (reduced) State benefits early.

    The minimum income guarantee at State pension age would still apply, so taking reduced benefits early would be conditional upon having other household income/pensions from State pension age which would negate the need for a means tested top up.
    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 14th Jul 17, 12:58 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:58 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:58 PM
    I think this has been considered, but rejected on the grounds that only the 'better off' would be able to access their (reduced) State benefits early.
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/work-and-pensions-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/early-drawing-pension-15-16/

    I don't think the enquiry got to the point where it got rejected. Frank Field set up a debate that if I recall correctly got cancelled and didn't go any further.

    The responses to the enquiry were dominated by WASPI-prompted diatribes about imaginary contracts and not getting a letter. One legendary response seemed to blame the OJ Simpson trial for the lack of coverage of state pension equalisation.

    I'm not sure the early state pension idea is a good one, but I think there's a bit of unfinished business there in terms of bottoming out the pros and cons. It has to be more constructive than another pointless exercise in political grandstanding like all the previous debates.
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
    • colsten
    • By colsten 14th Jul 17, 2:32 PM
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    The State Pension is intended to provide a minimum acceptable level of income in retirement. Paying a reduced State Pension would, by definition, mean that individuals would receive less than a minimum acceptable level of income. There would then need to be some sort of a top-up, say with Pension Credit. Which makes the whole package anything but cost-neutral.

    I fail to see why people are trying to solve the problems of working age people with benefits only available to people of state pension age. I further fail to see why only women of a given decade should be the only ones a solution should be found for. The problems caused by unemployment or illness will be just the same for men and for younger people. It is quite unbelievable that MPs ignore those.
    Last edited by colsten; 14-07-2017 at 6:44 PM. Reason: removed some formatting errors
    • JezR
    • By JezR 14th Jul 17, 2:50 PM
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    Other countries with the possibility of taking a pension early at a reduced rate tend to find that the in the public's mind the earliest possible date becomes the standard retirement date, and the reduced pension rate becomes the standard rate. Leading to complaints ultimately that this is too low.

    This was all gone through in the early 90s when the age equalisation arguments were played out.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 14th Jul 17, 4:14 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 4:14 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 4:14 PM
    The 'fun' continues, as Frances Coppola makes her feelings known.

    Not poking fun at 1950s women in general. Just at the disgusting #WASPI campaign and its rich privileged directors.
    #WASPI campaign has no morals, no honour and no integrity.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/status/885875984930676736

    She's letting 'em have it with both barrels.
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    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 15th Jul 17, 7:40 AM
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    #WASPI campaign has no morals, no honour and no integrity.
    +1 to this ^^^^
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 15th Jul 17, 10:00 AM
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    +1 to this ^^^^
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    They are also against Equality with men, not Inequality.

    If they get what they want, expect legal action from men who will be being discriminated against.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 15th Jul 17, 10:24 AM
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    They are also against Equality with men, not Inequality.
    Originally posted by ffacoffipawb
    We know what WASPI are for and against.
    I'm a woman who falls under the WASPI 'umbrella' so would benefit financially if they get what they want.
    However, like lots of posters in similar circumstances, I do not agree with WASPI 'asks', 'wants' or 'demands'.

    If they get what they want, expect legal action from men who will be being discriminated against.
    Originally posted by ffacoffipawb
    They've been banging on about this for considerable time and are no nearer to getting what they want.
    They don't stand a cat-in-hell's chance of getting what they want.
    I believe (as do lots of people who post on WASPI threads) that s man and a woman born on the same day should get their state pension at the same time.

    Isn't that equality?
    Last edited by Pollycat; 15-07-2017 at 10:27 AM.
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 15th Jul 17, 11:24 AM
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    We know what WASPI are for and against.
    I'm a woman who falls under the WASPI 'umbrella' so would benefit financially if they get what they want.
    However, like lots of posters in similar circumstances, I do not agree with WASPI 'asks', 'wants' or 'demands'.


    They've been banging on about this for considerable time and are no nearer to getting what they want.
    They don't stand a cat-in-hell's chance of getting what they want.
    I believe (as do lots of people who post on WASPI threads) that s man and a woman born on the same day should get their state pension at the same time.

    Isn't that equality?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    That is equality yes, but that isn't what the GRASPI WASPI want.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 15th Jul 17, 11:29 AM
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    They are also against Equality with men, not Inequality.

    If they get what they want, expect legal action from men who will be being discriminated against.
    Originally posted by ffacoffipawb
    They won't be the only ones. Under the GRASPI remit,women born up to 31/12/59 will get their SP at 60. However, a woman born a day later will have to wait six years longer!

    Anne Keen and her bunch of misfits really haven't thought this through!
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    • Triumph13
    • By Triumph13 15th Jul 17, 11:46 AM
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    GRASPI don't give a monkey's about equality. Men of the same age can go hang, as can younger women. Their sole motivations are envy of older women and greed.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 15th Jul 17, 12:37 PM
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    Their sole motivations are envy of older women and greed.
    Originally posted by Triumph13
    Sums up the GRASPI Directors nicely.
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    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 15th Jul 17, 6:45 PM
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    Susan Beevers - Executive's HR boss was once sacked for bullying
    Is this the same Susan Beevers who's a Director of WASPI?

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/executive-s-hr-boss-was-once-sacked-for-bullying-1-1124126
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    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 15th Jul 17, 7:21 PM
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    Is this the same Susan Beevers who's a Director of WASPI?

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/executive-s-hr-boss-was-once-sacked-for-bullying-1-1124126
    Originally posted by Mortgagefreeman
    Yup, that's her.

    There are apparently two sides to the story.

    Unfortunately, the only side that is public knowledge is the one where she resigned from a £86,000 a year hr role after being suspended after allegations of misconduct which had the investigation delayed after she went on sick leave which may or may not have been connected to a disastrous £8.5m project that was so bad that it warranted an internal investigation and after it had emerged that she had previously lost an industrial tribunal for harassment and intimidation that she hadn't disclosed when applying for the new role.

    Keeping an open mind, the other side of the story may completely exonerate her and she's actually really nice and honest and everything.
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 16th Jul 17, 3:00 PM
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    WASPI Hardship fund
    I see the lovely Sue Beevers owns a Farm.

    http://www.floddenedgefarmequestriancentre.com

    I can now understand why she need her Pension at 60.

    £25 will buy Gilbert a sack of Oats, or Sullivan a large bag of carrots.

    But if you'd rather waste it, £25 will buy you Membership of WASPI for a year. However Dobbin won't like it.
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    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 16th Jul 17, 6:40 PM
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    WASPI are the type of people who even argue with their own Twitter parody account....
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
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