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    • bagwell
    • By bagwell 13th Jul 17, 11:46 PM
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    career ideas?
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    • 13th Jul 17, 11:46 PM
    career ideas? 13th Jul 17 at 11:46 PM
    Hi, guys.
    I'll try to keep it short.

    I'm after ideas for someone (me) who has never had a 'career' or even anything resembling an idea of a suitable one. I'm 32.

    I'm not very clever at anything! I don't say this to look for sympathy. Just to help guide any suggestions in a realistic direction. I hate the fact that you're not allowed to be thick in this country - People will say ''No, you're clever!!'' when all evidence suggests otherwise! (Same thing happens with beauty, but that's another discussion!)

    I worked hard at school. but didn't get great grades. I went to college to do IT (because my dad done IT. I literally had no desire to do IT or any other subject for that matter). I pretty much flunked it despite trying my best.

    From then on, i've been working all sort of jobs for a good decade or so. Mainly VERY UNSKILLED factory work. Some temping jobs in offices - some of which I was let go from for general incompetence.

    I worked for a window fitting company (after deciding maybe i'd be better at 'hands on' type stuff rather than office stuff) and I was equally awful to the point that workers complained about working with me and I was let go after a few months. I worked hard, but I made lots of EMBARASSING mistakes.

    I struggle to learn things. I've probably got some sort of undiagnosed learning disability if i'm honest! I often can't do simple things that 'normal' people are able to figure out, even if they've never done it before.

    Driving work is out. I still can't drive. I have failed my test more times than I can count! I'm still trying, but at this point, it's fair to say that it's a fairly slim possibility

    I also got diagnosed with cancer which put me out of work for a while and it made me re-asess my life. - All of my friends are now bordeline rich! Big houses and 4 hilodays per year kind of thing.

    I've never earnt more than a few pence over minimum wage. I just feel kind of helpless. My CV much look woeful.

    I'm just not really sure what to do. Some sort of course?? Is that possible at my age? And I still have zero idea what i'm good at.

    I' just want to live the remainder of my life earning at least a BIT more than minimum wage in a job that I don't hate, and that could potentially pay me a fair bit more one day

    I know it's a very difficult question to answer in any way, but I guess i'm hoping to hear from people who were maybe in a somewhat similar situation, or maybe have friends who were able to 'turn it around'?
    Last edited by bagwell; 13-07-2017 at 11:50 PM.
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    • _shel
    • By _shel 14th Jul 17, 5:14 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 5:14 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 5:14 AM
    https://www.kent.ac.uk/careers/Choosing/choosingintro.htm

    https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/
    Thanks to everyone who posts competitions
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 14th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
    Have you considered the NHS? You know from when you were ill yourself perhaps to give back, relate to.

    As for the must work for a few pence more then minimum wage, I really wouldn't sweat it - I worked out for enduring a different shift pattern every single week with no notice when they decide to change my shifts, I get an extra 0.23p per hour on top of the £7.50 - Last year I got a 2k increase on that of a local minimum wage job but I'd by lying if I said the working hours were fun or that is hasn't taken months to use just some of my annual leave as the nature of our business never slows.

    The big homes and holidays could be brought on credit or worse for all we know.

    If I was told yesterday that 35 was young then 32 definately is! If you see apprentice type jobs why not contact the employer and hear it from the horses mouth if they could accept you - I nearly considered this myself when there was a HR one going not so long back.
    "If you are caught in a rainstorm, once you accept that you'll receive a soaking, the only thing left to do is enjoy the walk"
    • gwynlas
    • By gwynlas 14th Jul 17, 9:24 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 9:24 AM
    career ideas
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    • 14th Jul 17, 9:24 AM
    As previous poster suggested what about NHS care assistant type role? If you find you save an aptitude would be guided as to qualifications.
    Or what about horticulture. landscape gardening?
    Would be good if you could be tested as to certain conditions, I wasn't diagnosed as having dyslexia and dyspraxia until over 40.
    Not everyone is academic or practically minded the most important thing is being content in what you are doing.
    • aife
    • By aife 14th Jul 17, 11:09 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 11:09 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 11:09 AM
    You're certainly not too old for a course at 32 , but might not be much point if you don't have any particular interest in anything.
    Maybe try some evening classes or one off workshops and see if anything grabs you - there has to be SOMETHING that is right for you , you just haven't found it yet.
    There's no shame in not being a 'highflier' , we've got plenty of those. You obviously have a strong work ethic - that's a valuable attribute in itself. Maybe something in customer services ? Have you thought about trying temping for a bit ? I think maybe you just need to find a team /environment that's a good fit. And if you can stay in the same place for a while you've got a chance of working your way up to a decent wage without necessarily having to study or acquire qualifications
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 14th Jul 17, 12:28 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:28 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:28 PM
    What do you do outside of work? Hobbies & interests?
    Don't be angry!
    • bagwell
    • By bagwell 14th Jul 17, 2:21 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 2:21 PM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 2:21 PM
    As previous poster suggested what about NHS care assistant type role? If you find you save an aptitude would be guided as to qualifications.
    Or what about horticulture. landscape gardening?
    Would be good if you could be tested as to certain conditions, I wasn't diagnosed as having dyslexia and dyspraxia until over 40.
    Not everyone is academic or practically minded the most important thing is being content in what you are doing.
    Originally posted by gwynlas
    Regarding care work, a quick google search reads: ''Employers expect you to have some experience of healthcare or care work' - So i'd have to do something else in that line of work first? And would I be able to get THAT job without any experience?

    Landscape gardening: That's actually another job that i've done! - I actually didn't mind it. Mainly things like using the leaf blower, cutting hedges etc. But my employer needed me to help more with things like putting up fences and stuff, and it suddenly got way too confising for me.

    Getting tested for conditions: - Yeah, i'm not sure what's wrong with me! Any examples I give will seem very random and odd (and embarrassing), but for example, when I was working for a building firm, I was asked to help tidy up and put the ladders back in the vans. The ladders were them metal ones that 'extend' and it was extended at the time and leaning up against a wall. I couldn't work out how to 'de-extend' it! I was fighting this ladder for ages! So embarrassing. I must have looked like Mr. bean. One of the senior guys lost his temper with me and couldn't understand how I couldn't manage this simple task! I think he might have even thought I was winding him up! I said ''I've never actually done this before'' and even then he was like ''A moron could work this out in 2 seconds''. He was probably right! To make matters worse, I then couldn't work out how to properly secure it in the van using the elastic cable things. (i'm cringing now thinking about that day)

    I have a million more examples similar to that. Also getting lost in small areas very easily. Being unable to catch a train properly and ending up on the wrong platform or on the wrong train or something! haha. My life can be a joke!

    Unfortunately, another are I failed to mention is job interviews. I've been rejected for a HUGE percentage of teh jobs i've gone for. I seem unable to 'sell myself', or 'think on my feet'.

    You'd imagine that all of the practice would help in future interviews, but it doesn't appear to be the case

    You're certainly not too old for a course at 32 , but might not be much point if you don't have any particular interest in anything.
    Maybe try some evening classes or one off workshops and see if anything grabs you - there has to be SOMETHING that is right for you , you just haven't found it yet.
    There's no shame in not being a 'highflier' , we've got plenty of those. You obviously have a strong work ethic - that's a valuable attribute in itself. Maybe something in customer services ? Have you thought about trying temping for a bit ? I think maybe you just need to find a team /environment that's a good fit. And if you can stay in the same place for a while you've got a chance of working your way up to a decent wage without necessarily having to study or acquire qualifications
    Originally posted by aife
    Hi. Thanks for replying. I've done temping for a fair amout of time. As you say, i'm just yet to find anything I seem suited for yet.

    What do you do outside of work? Hobbies & interests?
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    When I get home from work, I tend to just surf the internet most nights. Watch comedy. Read forums, watch videos on youtube etc. I don't know if that qualifies as a hobby or not.
    I also like to go out with friends and play pool and drink beer.

    Anyway, thanks for everyone's replies.

    I'll investigate care work some more
    • Yazmina
    • By Yazmina 15th Jul 17, 1:42 PM
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    I'd address your learning difficulties first. Maybe approach your GP and ask for a referral.
    • fulous
    • By fulous 18th Jul 17, 2:52 AM
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    • 18th Jul 17, 2:52 AM
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    • 18th Jul 17, 2:52 AM
    Well, What you need is just right infont of you, may be you just don't realise it. To say you are thick is a huge exaggeration, You are above average smart judging from your post, you just have been doing the wrong things.

    Assuming nobody helped you to write this quite engaging post, I say THATS YOUR CALLING. You said you don't like doing stuff, but clearly you found it easy generating that post (from the tone of it), So I say to you consider writing as your career. Not any fancy fiction, you can start by simply documenting your life, your struggles with college, employment and finding a good fitting job. Write in the same way you have composed this post. Put much detail etc. Then approach a number of concessionary publishers (this is where you may require help from fellow MSEs here etc) I know for a fact there are lots of publishers willing to lap-up factual life stories such as yours we can try a few if you pm.

    You may eventually be surprised to find your self in similar big-houses and book signing holidays
    • dawyldthing
    • By dawyldthing 18th Jul 17, 8:40 PM
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    As well as care work look into support work. I only started applying after I got chatting to someone who worked on the same production line as me several years ago and she said she enjoyed it. Ive been in it several years and while the job has changed a lot it's still not too bad
    My targets to end 2018:
    1) To get down to 11 stone 7lbs then treat to a safari. At start 17 stone 7 lbs 36.5lbs lost 47.5lbs to go.
    Started SW16st13lbs 11/7/17 - 10 weeks in -28.5lbs
    3/9 to NYE 2.5lbs down / 12.5lbs to go
    2) to find new challenges
    • Sir_Sharmz
    • By Sir_Sharmz 18th Jul 17, 9:08 PM
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    Have a look into any local railway jobs?

    I fancied a career change last year, however I didn't fancy going back to college/uni. So i decided to apply for my local train station in a platform/customer service role. The easiest work I've ever had to do! Entry level role at around 30k pa, unlimited free rail travel, great holiday and pension. Only downside to some people would be the shift work, which I actually prefer to 9-5 hours.

    Really would recommend you looking into it as you don't really need any previous skills although customer service would help.

    Good luck! There's something for everybody out there regardless what skills you have.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 19th Jul 17, 12:34 PM
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    TBagpuss
    You said that you have done some landscape gardening - have you considered further work in that area? Maybe limiting it to actual gardening if the other thing were hard for you.

    I also agree that it may be worth approaching your GP and asking whether it is possible to be referred to asses whether you have a specific condition.

    You've mentioned having had trouble working out new tasks - do you have a feel for how you do learn? (e.g.by being told, being shown, being guided to do things yourself?) if you know what your learning style is then you can ask for training to be given in the way that allows you to learn.

    I think that starting by thinking about what your strengths are and what you enjoy is a good way to start thinking about what careers might suit you.

    For instnace:
    - do you prefer to work with others, or on your own
    - do you like / feel comfortable with working with the public / custoemrs
    - are you comfortable speaking in the phone
    What IT skills do you have?
    - would you be willing to do shift wok or work evenings or wekends?
    - Would you be interested in working with animals
    - Do you enjoy working with your hands?

    that may help you to narrow down the areas / types of work that might suit you
    • bagwell
    • By bagwell 19th Jul 17, 3:05 PM
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    bagwell
    Wow. You're a helpful, positive bunch.

    As well as care work look into support work. I only started applying after I got chatting to someone who worked on the same production line as me several years ago and she said she enjoyed it. Ive been in it several years and while the job has changed a lot it's still not too bad
    Originally posted by dawyldthing

    I'm not entirely aware of the differenc between care work and support work. However, it is something i've at least applied for once or twice in my life, simply due to the fact that most adverts stressed that no prior qualification were necessary.

    I will admit that I'm not certain I could handle certain 'personal care' job duties that I imagine would be rrequired of me.



    Have a look into any local railway jobs?

    I fancied a career change last year, however I didn't fancy going back to college/uni. So i decided to apply for my local train station in a platform/customer service role. The easiest work I've ever had to do! Entry level role at around 30k pa, unlimited free rail travel, great holiday and pension. Only downside to some people would be the shift work, which I actually prefer to 9-5 hours.

    Really would recommend you looking into it as you don't really need any previous skills although customer service would help.

    Good luck! There's something for everybody out there regardless what skills you have.
    Originally posted by Sir_Sharmz
    'Easy' sounds VERY good to me! What does it actually consist of? What is your official job title?


    You said that you have done some landscape gardening - have you considered further work in that area? Maybe limiting it to actual gardening if the other thing were hard for you.

    I also agree that it may be worth approaching your GP and asking whether it is possible to be referred to asses whether you have a specific condition.

    You've mentioned having had trouble working out new tasks - do you have a feel for how you do learn? (e.g.by being told, being shown, being guided to do things yourself?) if you know what your learning style is then you can ask for training to be given in the way that allows you to learn.

    I think that starting by thinking about what your strengths are and what you enjoy is a good way to start thinking about what careers might suit you.

    For instnace:
    - do you prefer to work with others, or on your own
    - do you like / feel comfortable with working with the public / custoemrs
    - are you comfortable speaking in the phone
    What IT skills do you have?
    - would you be willing to do shift wok or work evenings or wekends?
    - Would you be interested in working with animals
    - Do you enjoy working with your hands?

    that may help you to narrow down the areas / types of work that might suit you
    Originally posted by TBagpuss
    I have considered basic gardening work again, although I'm not 100% certain that it's necesarily much of a step above doing factory work etc. At least in my experience the wage was the same (arod minimum wage) and it's not really a 'career' as such?

    In regards to how I learn - That's a very interesting question indeed. I've never thought about it! I suppose that I 'learn' in the samw way as most people. Being shown, with explanation along the way. With patience.

    It's more my lack of abililty to work things out by myself. My embarrassing example with the ladder from earlier is illustration of this. If I haven't been shown something, or done it myself before, i'm hopeless. I know that you could say that that's true of everyone, but it's really not. I geuss you could say it's a lack of common sense. Lack of logic? I guess you could say i'm a 'right brained' person! (being generous!)

    - do you prefer to work with others, or on your own
    I'm kind of indifferent, although I tihnk the fact that i'm so comfortable with COMPLETE isolation means that working with others is good for my mental health, and so probably a superior choice for me

    - do you like / feel comfortable with working with the public / custoemrs
    I don't have much experience with this. I tend to be very anxious at first, but after exposure, I get better. As long as I felt competent in my job, then it wouldn't be an issue

    - are you comfortable speaking in the phone
    Not particularly, if i'm honest, although it's not a deal breaker

    What IT skills do you have?
    Very basic indeed. I can type 'reasonably' fast, I guess. I can't do anything complicated. I can't program or do V'lookup on a spreadheet, for example


    - would you be willing to do shift wok or work evenings or wekends?
    Yep

    - Would you be interested in working with animals

    Ohhhhhh.....I LOVE animals!!! Love them!

    - Do you enjoy working with your hands?

    I don't mind being physical. Makes me feel good. But most jobs invloving being good with yuor hands nearly always come with the abililty to be very technically minded which is where I can come unstuck! If you'd have seen me trying to build my home gym, you'd have had a bloody good laugh!!
    Last edited by bagwell; 19-07-2017 at 3:10 PM.
    • bagwell
    • By bagwell 19th Jul 17, 3:09 PM
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    Well, What you need is just right infont of you, may be you just don't realise it. To say you are thick is a huge exaggeration, You are above average smart judging from your post, you just have been doing the wrong things.

    Assuming nobody helped you to write this quite engaging post, I say THATS YOUR CALLING. You said you don't like doing stuff, but clearly you found it easy generating that post (from the tone of it), So I say to you consider writing as your career. Not any fancy fiction, you can start by simply documenting your life, your struggles with college, employment and finding a good fitting job. Write in the same way you have composed this post. Put much detail etc. Then approach a number of concessionary publishers (this is where you may require help from fellow MSEs here etc) I know for a fact there are lots of publishers willing to lap-up factual life stories such as yours we can try a few if you pm.

    You may eventually be surprised to find your self in similar big-houses and book signing holidays
    Originally posted by fulous
    Nice of you to say. I did write it all myself!! (I sound about 5 years old saying that)
    To be clear, are you suggesting starting some sort of 'blog'? I think i'd need something more stabl and reliable in my quest to build some sort of 'career' if i'm honest. Also, time is kind of 'of the essense' since i'm no longer super young
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