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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 12th Jul 17, 11:15 PM
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    motorcycle , new frame
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    motorcycle , new frame 12th Jul 17 at 11:15 PM
    I have a 2004 bike , just located a NOS frame from a dealer, the 2004 bike has an alloy plate with vin number on it , what is the CORRECT and legal way to do this as regards the DVLA , I am happy to keep the 2004 status


    I know all the illigal ways of doing this , just thought to do it legally


    a VAT recept comes with the frame , I do not know if the frame is stamped, I suspect not
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    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 13th Jul 17, 12:01 AM
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    With a car with a separate chassis, you can change the frame for a new (not secondhand) replacement and still keep the current registration. You would need the appropriate documentation to prove that the frame is new.

    I'm pretty sure that your question is answered on the DVLA web site. It would be worth checking.

    Keep a vehicle’s original registration number

    A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

    * a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
    Last edited by Gloomendoom; 13-07-2017 at 12:05 AM.
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 17, 8:02 AM
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    If it's a genuinely new frame, it won't have a VIN on it. You stamp the existing VIN on, and transfer any plate, in the same way as the original was marked.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 13th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    thank you ,
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 13th Jul 17, 8:44 AM
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    I reckon the DVLA will go nuts, it's really not that different from building a kitcar and kitcars have to go through IVA approval. My kitcar was built in 1994, a few years ago the VIN got flagged and the DVLA we're trying to say I had to IVA it and register as a new car, but as even a mass produced car from that decade would not pass an IVA, I was facing scrapping the car due to DVLA incompetence.
    The VIN was only flagged because it had an "I" in the number, which is a banned character since about 10 years ago.

    I got it sorted in the end, but once the DVLA screw something up it's a case of "computer says no".

    I think if you dig around you'll find that most people in this situation would do the change and then stamp the number in from the old frame.
    I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.

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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 17, 8:48 AM
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    I reckon the DVLA will go nuts, it's really not that different from building a kitcar and kitcars have to go through IVA approval.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    It's very different.

    You're using a brand new frame to manufacturer original specification, unmodified. It counts as a repair component, not a modification.
    https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles

    You build a kit, you're using a completely different body/chassis.
    https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitconverted-vehicles
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 13th Jul 17, 9:04 AM
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    It's very different.

    You're using a brand new frame to manufacturer original specification, unmodified. It counts as a repair component, not a modification.
    https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles

    You build a kit, you're using a completely different body/chassis.
    https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitconverted-vehicles
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    But, sticking plastic panels to a Toyota MR2 to make it look like a Ferrari, is classed as a kitcar.........

    I think it's a very grey area and the "rules" don't make a hell of a lot of sense.

    Essentially the DVLA don't like people making any changes to their cars/bikes, the EU still wants to ban people from working on or modifying their own vehicles, something car drivers are not so bothered by, but bikers actually did a mass protest for (which was basically blacked out by the media).
    We may not be in the EU for much longer, but these things could still creep in before we leave, as the DVLA would love a world where we all drive stock euroboxes.
    I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.

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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 17, 9:21 AM
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    But, sticking plastic panels to a Toyota MR2 to make it look like a Ferrari, is classed as a kitcar.........
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Which part of "unmodified monocoque"...?

    the EU still wants to ban people from working on or modifying their own vehicles, something car drivers are not so bothered by, but bikers actually did a mass protest for (which was basically blacked out by the media).
    You do like a good conspiracy theory, don't you? Like all of 'em, though, it's complete and utter codswallop.

    Here's the "media blackout" on this "mass protest"... Five years ago.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15054139

    Here's the MAG organisation of it...
    http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
    ...which states that the Commons were going to be debating it on 17th Oct 2011.

    And here's Hansard for that date.
    http://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2011-10-17/debates/6bd773d5-04c7-403f-8d8a-f99d81deedbb/CommonsChamber
    Not seeing anything in there, are you?

    Don't tell me... Some bikers on the M1 caused it all to be abandoned...

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, here's the actual DfT consultation:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/eu-proposed-regulation-for-the-type-approval-and-market-surveilance-of-2-and-3-wheeled-vehicles-and-quadricycles

    Now, where in that does it say anything at all about modifying or maintaining vehicles?

    Tell me again about straight bananas and 350m/week?
    Last edited by AdrianC; 13-07-2017 at 9:26 AM.
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 13th Jul 17, 10:28 AM
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    The BBC and other media outlets hid that report, it never appeared via accessible links on the site AND they didn't even publish that until quite some time after the fact. Anyone can publish web content and make it appear to have been published in 1975, it's not rocket science.

    what about:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9758494/EU-backs-down-over-threat-to-classic-cars.html

    Last I heard they were still trying to push it through silently, with countries like France banning classic cars from cities, despite classics being small in number and covering only "hobby" miles.

    Sh*t like this:

    http://parkinsurance.co.uk/dvla-clamps-classic-car-modifications/

    Whether we leave the EU or not, the powers that be want us all in new euro/eco boxes and with the help of the media, demonises those who do not comply.
    I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.

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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 13th Jul 17, 10:46 AM
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    The BBC and other media outlets hid that report, it never appeared via accessible links on the site AND they didn't even publish that until quite some time after the fact. Anyone can publish web content and make it appear to have been published in 1975, it's not rocket science.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Are the illuminati lizard people involved? Or is this one Xenu? It's so hard to keep up. Still, at least if you refer to yourself as Strider of the family 590, and tell DVLA that you refuse to agree to their contract, you can be a free man on the land, and nobody can touch you.

    what about:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9758494/EU-backs-down-over-threat-to-classic-cars.html

    Last I heard they were still trying to push it through silently, with countries like France banning classic cars from cities, despite classics being small in number and covering only "hobby" miles.

    Sh*t like this:

    http://parkinsurance.co.uk/dvla-clamps-classic-car-modifications/
    Ah, yes. The good old utter misrepresentation of the originality clause of the roadworthiness directive. Simply put, historic vehicle exemption needs include a requirement for the vehicles to be largely original. It's not a ban on modified - it simply means they need to be MOTd. The UK's doesn't. It should. It will. DVLA are currently consulting on whether to use the 8-point test that's been in place since the 1970s.

    The historic VED piece is an utter misrepresentation of a clamp-down on one - umm, premium-priced exotic marque's club, where an awful lot of "reconstructed" cars were simply fakes, with very little originality. At least one chassis number was duplicated. Strange how a specialist in another, similar marque is trying to drum up hysteria over it. Again, the 8-point test.

    BTW, have you ever heard of the FBHVC...? I'll take their interpretation - via their bimonthly newsletters, which I receive - over yours, ta.
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 13th Jul 17, 12:50 PM
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    ^^ Misinterpretation or no, if enough people believe something, then it becomes for all intents and purposes true..... Just look at how many VW Golf's are on the roads

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

    I had to change garages for my kitcar, because the first garage refused to accept it was exempt from emissions testing and it kept failing the modern emissions test (it's a 25 year on car, with a 40 year old race tuned engine, on carbs).

    Even if someone is right, they are wrong if the majority has other ideas.
    I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.

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