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    • lordsnooty01
    • By lordsnooty01 12th Jul 17, 5:32 PM
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    LPS (Local Parking Security Ltd) - CCTV
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    • 12th Jul 17, 5:32 PM
    LPS (Local Parking Security Ltd) - CCTV 12th Jul 17 at 5:32 PM
    Hello - great insight in here but having exhausted the search tool, this one may have a slightly different angle so would appreciate any pointers and hence the question.

    I apologise profusely if I have missed this anywhere so please DONT SHOUT too loud

    Got a PCN from LPS (Ltd) which is CCTV based. Clearly shows my car but not the driver. In short, they are trying to extract £50 (within 14 days) or £85 of my hard earned cash for a 40 minute parking 'violation'.

    Having checked the BPA - these comedians are members but they do not seem to be authorised for CCTV - unless I'm reading it wrong.

    ANPR - NO
    Back Office - NO
    Debt Recovery - NO
    Self Ticket - NO
    Ticket - YES

    They are not members of the IPA.

    As this is CCTV based - are the rules different at all? Should I still ignore or am I going to fall foul of some new legislative nightmare.

    Incidentally as mentioned above - no driver can be identified, additionally they clearly show me leaving on the 2nd picture but the first picture does not show me at an entry barrier.

    I can redact and upload if anyone would like to view content??

    Thanks in advance.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 17, 5:42 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 5:42 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 5:42 PM
    They can use CCTV or any old camera, the BPA don't seem to care any more (a members club). Do not ignore it, appeal it as per the NEWBIES thread.

    But was the PCN received within 15 days and does it seem to comply with para 9 of Schedule 4?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • lordsnooty01
    • By lordsnooty01 12th Jul 17, 5:54 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 5:54 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 5:54 PM
    The 15 days was met
    Date of car park visit - 22 June 17
    PCN issued - 4th July 17

    I guess it complies on the grounds of a 'reasonable cause criteria' which was why they queried via DVLA.

    Could you not provide a fake name for someone in Lithuania or suchlike - this more than certainly would stop them in their tracks?

    Or is that blatant fraud?! Haha
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 17, 6:10 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 6:10 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 6:10 PM
    You don't need to do any of that, we win POPLA appeals almost every time. Stop looking for an excuse to 'get off' the PCN (do not lie) and instead, read about how to properly appeal.

    Please read the NEWBIES thread.

    I guess it complies on the grounds of a 'reasonable cause criteria' which was why they queried via DVLA.
    Nope, not right. Please compare it to para 9 of Schedule 4 (linked in the NEWBIES thread).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • lordsnooty01
    • By lordsnooty01 19th Jul 17, 8:37 PM
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    • 19th Jul 17, 8:37 PM
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    • 19th Jul 17, 8:37 PM
    So if I use the template as defined within the 'Newbies' thread, specifically for use with BPA members, the wording is strong enough?? I only ask as it stipulates the 'signage' and 'wording' angle as the main resistor for the charge.

    It also states 'if you should obtain' from DVLA - clearly this has already happened hence why I have come here for some much-needed assistance.

    Notice issue date is 04/07
    I assume I issue the online response on day 26 for this one?

    Thx in advance.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 19th Jul 17, 8:57 PM
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    • 19th Jul 17, 8:57 PM
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    • 19th Jul 17, 8:57 PM
    So if I use the template as defined within the 'Newbies' thread, specifically for use with BPA members, the wording is strong enough?? I only ask as it stipulates the 'signage' and 'wording' angle as the main resistor for the charge.

    It also states 'if you should obtain' from DVLA - clearly this has already happened hence why I have come here for some much-needed assistance.

    Notice issue date is 04/07
    I assume I issue the online response on day 26 for this one?

    Thx in advance.
    Originally posted by lordsnooty01
    If the keeper has received an NTK through the post, then they should appeal straight away. Day 26 is only for NTDs (windscreen tickets.)

    The BPA template in blue is designed to get you a PoPLA code and make sure you don't give away the driver's identity. That's all.

    Once you have a code you should draft a PoPLA appeal based on the template points in post 3 of the NEWBIES and post it here for checking before sending it.

    But, first things first. Copy and paste and send the BPA template from the Keeper.
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