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    • Rebecca Palmer
    • By Rebecca Palmer 12th Jul 17, 2:56 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 2:56 PM
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    Hi. Would you suggest "Smart Meters" for the whole building? A friend said it can log any usage and when it happened. We've been trying to save energy and cost so my Dad asked me to find the best solution. Suggestions?
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    • JJ Egan
    • By JJ Egan 12th Jul 17, 3:59 PM
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    Smart Meters do not save energy .
    User saves energy by turning down off using less .
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    • By hans 2 12th Jul 17, 4:07 PM
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    • John Gray
    • By John Gray 12th Jul 17, 11:15 PM
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    Don't get a first-generation "smart" meter. The only use mine has is to save me sending in the gas and electricity meter readings every month!

    When available, consider getting a second-generation "smart" meter.

    Have a read of http://www.which.co.uk/reviews/smart-meters/article/smart-meters-explained/getting-a-smart-meter-installed...

    +1 for JJ Egan's post!
    • Jivesinger
    • By Jivesinger 12th Jul 17, 11:39 PM
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    I expect the novelty wears off pretty quickly so I imagine any energy savings caused by going round switching stuff off when the meter goes into the red will be temporary.

    Plus you can go around switching stuff off without needing a meter telling you to do so.

    I don't buy the adverts telling us that they stop estimated bills either - many people will pay a monthly direct debit which is based on, guess what, estimated usage. And in any case, estimated bills aren't the end of the world for most people as you still pay eventually when an actual meter reading is taken, it's just slightly less risk of getting an unexpected big bill.
    • John Gray
    • By John Gray 13th Jul 17, 8:46 AM
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    Conversely, my monthly Ovo bills are based on the actual meter readings sent from the "smart" meters by the attached mobile phone device on or near the last day of the month.
    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 13th Jul 17, 12:31 PM
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    I have smart meters.

    The big advantage for me, and the only reason I have them, is that the nagging letters telling me I need a smart meter have stopped dropping through my letter box.
    • Frozen_up_north
    • By Frozen_up_north 13th Jul 17, 1:10 PM
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    Smart meters are primarily designed to eventually offer discounted electricity at times of low demand and surplus supply from solar and wind generation, e.g. a warm sunny day with plenty of wind. It's not dissimilar to storage heaters and electric cars using Economy 7 "off peak" electricity to take advantage of the output from coal and nuclear generated power.

    Unfortunately the initial roll out has resulted in thousands of meters that can't even send in readings to new suppliers, let alone offer discounted daytime electricity. My E.On meter can't send readings to Scottish Power!

    On the subject of saving money, they are useful to a point. My consumption at the moment is 182 Watts, with a desktop computer, CCTV system and maybe the fridge/freezer too. The consumption drops to around 38 Watts as a minimum (CCTV, clock radio, etc.).

    Replacing filament bulbs with LED ones, and making sure your loft has a lot of insulation, will save a lot of energy... a smart meter helps a little, even once the novelty wears off.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 13th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
    Scrap the Smart Meter Programme
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    • 13th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
    Although there are some would be trolls on the energy forums who will no doubt attack me I will tell you my opinion.

    Smart meters are a massive scam on the UK population, the cost of the project seems to vary but supposed to be around £12bn and WE are all paying for it.

    At the start of any project or programme there is the business case and the idea is that if at any time the the project no longer offers the benefits including the savings it should be scrapped. Well this programme is so well beyond that failure that it is embarrassing.

    A smart meter will only tell you what you can go see by looking at your meter, so as others have said it should be called a LAZY meter. It will NOT tell you that your fridge is using too much electricity or that your Gas Boiler water temperature is set too high.

    It will not tell you whether all your computer gear is costing a fortune in electricity., but this this gadget WILL tell you, it costs £12 although I managed to get one for £9.99 so make an offer or check others out.

    www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262780149937

    You can turn the water temperature down, you can adjust your central heating boiler right now, no smart meter required.

    Let me be clear, the only real beneficiary to smart energy meters are the energy companies because not only do YOU PAY for the energy they use but the energy company is able to move to monthly billing. Oh and if you dare to change supplier you will be left with a dumb meter that is incompatible. What a kock up!

    They seem to think it is a benefit that they do not STEAL BORROW money from your bank account by over estimates (they currently have BILLIONS of pounds of customers money).

    Well I am moving to a company that does not rip you off for not paying by direct debit or punish you for having single fuel, I am a low user so it makes sense for me to pay slightly higher rate with no standing charge (I will still save over £200 a year) and I am not done yet reducing my usage.

    If the Government wants to gain some popularity they should scrap the Smart Meter programme, remove all subsidy, SCRAP THE STANDING CHARGE, freeze prices for 3 years and let the energy companies decide if they want to invest their own money in Smart meters.

    If you needed ANY justification for the above just look at the 7.8bn they have been making by ripping us off

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40568869
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    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 13th Jul 17, 4:01 PM
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    If you needed ANY justification for the above just look at the 7.8bn they have been making by ripping us off

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40568869
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    That's the energy networks, not the energy companies. (Consumer pay companies, who buy off the networks).
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 14th Jul 17, 9:32 AM
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    They are all structured to rip us off with their gambling, same as banking and derivatives and other financial products created to mask activities as far as I am concerned.
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    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 14th Jul 17, 10:23 AM
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    Rockon DavidP24, what you missed was a couple of things,the rubbish SM's that are being foisted on the public have massive security holes, practically nothing to stop malicious actors messing with your bill just for the heck of it

    And, they are generally incompatible between suppliers so when you switch from one to another in the future whose to say there wont be a "meter charge" to cover that cost, making switching uneconomic and thereby making the whole exercise pointless.

    Which it is in any case because lets say your SM shows your oven is using a lot of electricity at the moment. Is that a lot compared to your average use? Well No **** Sherlock, what re you going to go, stop making Sunday lunch?

    Or is it a lot compared to the Hokey Cokey Model 42? Nope, wont show you that. Useless.

    As said they are a ludicrous idea, and whats worse a badly executed ludicrous idea.

    Left a light on unnecessarily? Well, if you need a SM to work out you need to switch it off, you have bigger problems.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 14th Jul 17, 6:23 PM
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    I have smart meters.

    The big advantage for me, and the only reason I have them, is that the nagging letters telling me I need a smart meter have stopped dropping through my letter box.
    Originally posted by wealdroam

    Lucky You

    Mum had letters and phone calls from British Gas to come and fit a Smart Meter.

    Slight issue was that she had left BG and gone to another company so not a BG customer.
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