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    • birtley90
    • By birtley90 12th Jul 17, 1:25 PM
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    Teacher told child she could wet herself
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    • 12th Jul 17, 1:25 PM
    Teacher told child she could wet herself 12th Jul 17 at 1:25 PM
    My daughter year 6 asked the teacher if she could go to the toilet during the afternoon but was refused. She waited a bit and asked again but was told to wait until hometime. My daughter said she couldn't wait that long and the teacher replied with "If you can't wait you will just have to wet yourself"

    Fuming with the teacher!
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    • powerful_Rogue
    • By powerful_Rogue 12th Jul 17, 8:46 PM
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    Probably needed to go for a cigarette.
    • Madmel
    • By Madmel 12th Jul 17, 9:18 PM
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    I've been teaching for 23 years, in my first secondary school, the toilets were locked in lesson time and a kid needing to go had to get their planner signed by their teacher, then take it to the office to get the key. The psycho deputy head decided to keep a record of which kids used the toilets during lessons the most, then got the school nurse to chat to them. She also hauled in any teacher who had given the same kid permission to go more than once in a term for a rollicking.

    If a child needs the toilet during the first half of a 70 minute lesson in my current school, I do get annoyed with them (but allow them to leave). Maybe because I'm a parent (my daughters are/were at the school) I do know when it's a try-on, or when it's a girl who gets her period perhaps unexpectedly and needs to go now, in which case she does so. My standard question is: "can you not wait until break/for 5 minutes?" If the answer is "no", they go.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 12th Jul 17, 9:53 PM
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    From my experience, if one works at the till in a supermarket, or at the till in a small shop, you cannot just walk away from your post because you need to relieve yourself; you have to wait until someone can take over or until a supervisor locks your till. If you work as a driver you cannot "go" whenever you want, if you work as a carer, a nurse or doctor you cannot go immediately you feel you need.

    Bladder control education isn't a subject for school - it should be taught at home, well before the age of 11. Your DD would not have eaten her lunch just immediately before going back into class - she would have had time to go before the end of the lunch break.

    Of course there are, and always will be, those who have a specific and genuine problem with bladder control - but that should be well known to school staff and the child concerned should be able to discreetly remove himself/herself from class and return promptly.
    Originally posted by thorsoak

    Right so basically on till you can go as supervisor can lock your til.

    Driving not a problem, happened to me had to pull in next services not easy as i just left one and couldn't go and when I want to go I have to go, comes on sudden sometimes.

    Nurse/doctor most likely they probably just go.

    I don't have a medical problem (at least I don't think so) but sometimes the urge just comes on all of a sudden and hard to hold.

    A few years back on work I had to go every 10 mins one day! I had to leave early, got home nothing (nornal) next day in work same problem and at home nothing (normal)!
    Last edited by cjdavies; 12-07-2017 at 9:55 PM.
    • thorsoak
    • By thorsoak 12th Jul 17, 10:05 PM
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    Right so basically on till you can go as supervisor can lock your til.

    Driving not a problem, happened to me had to pull in next services not easy as i just left one and couldn't go and when I want to go I have to go, comes on sudden sometimes.

    Nurse/doctor most likely they probably just go. Not if they're in the middle of carrying out a procedure.

    I don't have a medical problem (at least I don't think so) but sometimes the urge just comes on all of a sudden and hard to hold.

    A few years back on work I had to go every 10 mins one day! I had to leave early, got home nothing (nornal) next day in work same problem and at home nothing (normal)!
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    So you do have a problem! And in supermarkets, you have to indicate that you need a supervisor (haven't you seen those flashing light on a check-out) and wait for the supervisor to come before you can go - so it's not immediate.....
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 12th Jul 17, 10:54 PM
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    I want a wee wee
    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th Jul 17, 11:09 PM
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    Don't be ridiculous.

    A young girl of this age who has started her period will have (or should have had) that conversation with her parents, at least her mother.

    And during that conversation, a responsible mother would explain to her daughter how to be prepared, how to be discreet and how to make sure that they don't have to skip out of class just s few minutes after having a break.

    They will have to learn to deal with periods sooner or later - why not start now??

    Mollycoddled, spoiled kids are the reason this country is in such a mess - they expect everything to just go their way and the worst thing is the parents back them up!!
    Originally posted by jondav
    I started my periods when I was in primary school. I was told by teachers that the procedure was to ask to go to the loo in lesson time, and to go to the teachers' toilets. The children's ones didn't have the right facilities. One girl who started before me had been taking her used pads home in plastic freezer bags, her mum hadn't thought to discuss the issue with staff.

    It might have changed now since more girls are starting at that age, so possibly schools are better equipped.

    The child should have taken off one of her plimsolls and used that in extremis.
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    Surely a fake Ugg would be more practical? In terms of volume and absorbability.

    Similar thread to a recent one, teachers using their 'real' names signing up to defend the school.....

    Has using the toilet in lesson time taken over from the school uniform threads?
    Originally posted by kingfisherblue
    My thoughts too. The shoe fetish was bad enough, this is worse, what will it be next
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    • louiseturner
    • By louiseturner 13th Jul 17, 12:01 AM
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    You think every time a girl is on their period, they should bring in a note from home excusing them to go to the toilet?

    Isn't this a little embarrassing for an 11 year old to have to hand to possibly a male teacher?
    Originally posted by pollyanna24
    I was just suggesting a way in which if a girl did have her period she could be excused. The bottom line is if they don't have a note I wouldn't let them go regardless of the reason, and that would apply if I taught year 6 too.

    I am sure the boys feel it is sexist too as I never let them go, but occasionally will permit a girl who has brought in a note due to periods
    • louiseturner
    • By louiseturner 13th Jul 17, 12:09 AM
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    How terrible!!!!

    I would hate to think of my year 6 going to big school in sept needing the loo and not being able to go. I understand the fact that you may not want disruptions but surely it would be more distracting to have to wait.

    Sorry but when I need to go I need to go. I am an adult and I can not predict if I will need the loo in the next 2 hours.

    Yes school is a place of education respect AND TOLERANCE.
    Originally posted by BJV
    Well you had better get used to it, as it is likely he will not be allowed to go to the toilet.They have breaks to prepare class and take precautions against needing the toilet. Yes needing a wee desperately is distracting, but so is children going to the toilet in lesson time.
    • xXMessedUpXx
    • By xXMessedUpXx 13th Jul 17, 12:39 AM
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    Sounds like she needs to be told that toilet breaks are during break time
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Christ

    I'm an adult and if i need the loo during my shift even i'm allowed to go! (yes i also go on every break but sometimes when you need to go, you need to go)

    Also on the subject of perios started in year 5, had a very heavy flow and had to carry around used towels as there was no where to dispose of them (incluuding in secondary school), there were many times i leaked and had to get my mum to get a change of clothes because teacher wouldn;t allow me to go to the toilet during class (plus i was bullied badly and periods back then made you an easy target, one girl has her sanitary products tipped put in class and was mercilessly riduculed for having them)
    Last edited by xXMessedUpXx; 13-07-2017 at 12:46 AM.
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    • Mrs_Ryan
    • By Mrs_Ryan 13th Jul 17, 1:03 AM
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    When I was in Year 6 we had a male teacher- he was old fashioned and a bit of a chauvinist, not the type anyone really wanted to discuss such personal matters with.
    When I started my periods at 10, my mum wrote a note to the female headteacher explaining and asking if I could be excused when necessary. There were a few girls in the same boat and also we were still being made to get changed for PE in front of the boys. The headteacher's secretary went and spoke to said teacher and told him the head had said that the select few of us should be allowed to just get up and walk out when necessary and that we should also be allowed to wear our PE kits under our uniforms then change in the toilets afterwards.
    He was furious at the fact we could just get up and walk out but because the Head had decreed it couldn't do anything about it. No-one abused it though and it actually worked quite well.
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    • louiseturner
    • By louiseturner 13th Jul 17, 1:13 AM
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    When I was in Year 6 we had a male teacher- he was old fashioned and a bit of a chauvinist, not the type anyone really wanted to discuss such personal matters with.
    When I started my periods at 10, my mum wrote a note to the female headteacher explaining and asking if I could be excused when necessary. There were a few girls in the same boat and also we were still being made to get changed for PE in front of the boys. The headteacher's secretary went and spoke to said teacher and told him the head had said that the select few of us should be allowed to just get up and walk out when necessary and that we should also be allowed to wear our PE kits under our uniforms then change in the toilets afterwards.
    He was furious at the fact we could just get up and walk out but because the Head had decreed it couldn't do anything about it. No-one abused it though and it actually worked quite well.
    Originally posted by Mrs_Ryan
    Not surprised he was furious, I would be too. I am sorry but unless they have a medical note then I don't let them out, and even then they still have to ask
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 13th Jul 17, 7:22 AM
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    Not surprised he was furious, I would be too. I am sorry but unless they have a medical note then I don't let them out, and even then they still have to ask
    Originally posted by louiseturner
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    • louiseturner
    • By louiseturner 13th Jul 17, 8:28 AM
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    Here is the new troll, welcome
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    Sorry, let me rephrase that. I would not be furious about children on their periods, or with medical problems going to the toilet when necessary. However would not want to be told that I have to let them out without asking, there is a safety issue that you have to consider.
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 13th Jul 17, 8:55 AM
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    Posting at 8.28 in the morning, and still online at 8.43 - shouldn't you be heading to class?
    • pimento
    • By pimento 13th Jul 17, 9:30 AM
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    period excuse ...
    Originally posted by louiseturner
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 13th Jul 17, 9:40 AM
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    From my experience, if one works at the till in a supermarket, or at the till in a small shop, you cannot just walk away from your post because you need to relieve yourself; you have to wait until someone can take over or until a supervisor locks your till. If you work as a driver you cannot "go" whenever you want, if you work as a carer, a nurse or doctor you cannot go immediately you feel you need.

    Bladder control education isn't a subject for school - it should be taught at home, well before the age of 11. Your DD would not have eaten her lunch just immediately before going back into class - she would have had time to go before the end of the lunch break.

    Of course there are, and always will be, those who have a specific and genuine problem with bladder control - but that should be well known to school staff and the child concerned should be able to discreetly remove himself/herself from class and return promptly.
    Originally posted by thorsoak

    A teacher cannot just leave her class unsupervised to go to the loo, either.

    As I said before, a good teacher, who knows the class, will know if a kids is trying it on - or not.
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    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 13th Jul 17, 9:58 AM
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    A teacher cannot just leave her class unsupervised to go to the loo, either.
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    There may be times when a teacher has to get to the toilet in a hurry - the schools I worked in always had a policy for what action to take if you needed to leave the class unattended.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 13th Jul 17, 10:14 AM
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    Christ

    I'm an adult and if i need the loo during my shift even i'm allowed to go! (yes i also go on every break but sometimes when you need to go, you need to go)

    Also on the subject of perios started in year 5, had a very heavy flow and had to carry around used towels as there was no where to dispose of them (incluuding in secondary school), there were many times i leaked and had to get my mum to get a change of clothes because teacher wouldn;t allow me to go to the toilet during class (plus i was bullied badly and periods back then made you an easy target, one girl has her sanitary products tipped put in class and was mercilessly riduculed for having them)
    Originally posted by xXMessedUpXx
    But there was no period in this case
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 13th Jul 17, 10:18 AM
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    But there was no period in this case
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Maybe not, but personally I'm ready for a full stop.
    • BJV
    • By BJV 13th Jul 17, 10:50 AM
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    Well you had better get used to it, as it is likely he will not be allowed to go to the toilet.They have breaks to prepare class and take precautions against needing the toilet. Yes needing a wee desperately is distracting, but so is children going to the toilet in lesson time.
    Originally posted by louiseturner
    No actually I don't. I honestly do not care if you find it distracting it is your job to be able to deal with that. You are a trained adult who should be able to cope with this situation. They are children.

    My daughter is 11 and will start her periods soon. I would be devastated if she was not able to go to the toilet.

    As I am sure you will be aware for the first few years of starting a period they can be very irregular. Also sometimes very heavy. Sometimes lots of pain. Yes I will help her to be able to accept cope and deal with all of this but to deny the human right of being able to change a sanitary product. ????


    I am lucky. I have a good job, reasonable standard of living and work long and hard. I am respected in my field but my body sometimes does things out of schedule. Very annoying but being a human being I accept this. This is life.

    It is not more important that you may be distracted for a milli second than children sit in discomfort for a lesson. How much to you think that they are actually taking in while worrying to hold everything in.

    I want my children to go to a good school where educational excellence is expected. Where they are taught to be respectful, and with our ( parents) help can grow to become amazing wonderful young people. I have two children. One boy 14 one girl 11. I would back them 100% for walking out of the lesson if they had had I mean had to go.

    Please remember that respect is something that is a has to be earned and is very easily lost. I would hate to think that my two would be taught by someone who is not prepared to treat them with respect. They are young people and you have the honor of helping to make them special.

    Please do not miss understand me my two are no angels. My son is just about to start his ebach, ( think that is how you spell it ) and my daughter moving to middle school in sept. I do and would continue to full support my children's schools for any lapse of behavior or attitude. But when you need the loo you need the loo. Being forced to give a detailed reason is draconian.

    You are a teacher so I will try and be as respectful of the fantastic job that most teachers do but have to say Louise you sound a little power crazed???

    I once remember standing in a chemistry lesson with Mr Stewart who looked like a frog and when he would not let me go the to toilet I had to scream it was because I was leaking blood everywhere. Not nice to have a class of 15 year old's staring at you laughing. It must have affected me because I still remember how humiliated I felt even now over twenty years later.

    There was no period in this case but there might of been?
    Last edited by BJV; 13-07-2017 at 10:56 AM.
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