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    • birtley90
    • By birtley90 12th Jul 17, 1:25 PM
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    Teacher told child she could wet herself
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    • 12th Jul 17, 1:25 PM
    Teacher told child she could wet herself 12th Jul 17 at 1:25 PM
    My daughter year 6 asked the teacher if she could go to the toilet during the afternoon but was refused. She waited a bit and asked again but was told to wait until hometime. My daughter said she couldn't wait that long and the teacher replied with "If you can't wait you will just have to wet yourself"

    Fuming with the teacher!
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    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 12th Jul 17, 4:26 PM
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    Ahhh some real d!jà vu here. There's even the teacher who joined MSE today and is using a full name while she tells us about her policy on no toilet breaks...
    Originally posted by KateySW
    The child should have taken off one of her plimsolls and used that in extremis.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 12th Jul 17, 4:37 PM
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    So - imho only - discussion about what happens when someone is having their period and wants to go to the toilet is irrelevant to the OP's specific complaint.
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    Where's the rule that says we're only allowed to discuss an issue in terms that are relevant to the opening post?

    If a school has a blanket rule that no child is allowed out to the toilet during lesson times, a girl will eventually have an embarrassing incident.

    Just because it didn't happen with the OP's child isn't a reason not to discuss it.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 12th Jul 17, 4:42 PM
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    Where's the rule that says we're only allowed to discuss an issue in terms that are relevant to the opening post?

    If a school has a blanket rule that no child is allowed out to the toilet during lesson times, a girl will eventually have an embarrassing incident.

    Just because it didn't happen with the OP's child isn't a reason not to discuss it.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Yes, the teacher didn't know that.
    Yes, she wasn't on her period.

    So - imho only - discussion about what happens when someone is having their period and wants to go to the toilet is irrelevant to the OP's specific complaint..
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    ^^^^
    Did I say there was a rule that says we're only allowed to discuss an issue in terms that are relevant to the opening post?

    Where is the rule that says we're not allowed to express our own opinions?

    ^^^^ Hypothetical question. I know there isn't one.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 12th Jul 17, 4:44 PM
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    Where is the rule that says we're not allowed to express our own opinions?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    That's ironic! You were telling us that we should be restricting our replies.
    • jondav
    • By jondav 12th Jul 17, 4:48 PM
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    Sigh...

    I'm going to skip over the weird comment about kids ruining the country because honestly the whole 'this generation is all that's wrong in society' thing is as old as flipping time and yawn (not to mention it's incredibly weird to make that comment in relation to girls learning how to deal with periods)...

    Not weird at all IMO. Periods are a part of life. Teaching your child to be embarrassed and make a big scene about it is a huge mistake.

    So I'm just going to throw a wild card out there and guess that you've never had to deal with periods yourself...? Because if you had you'd know that unfortunately, as much as you can be prepared and have "learnt how to deal with it", sometimes it isn't enough. Sometimes it catches you out and it can be at the most inconvenient of times. Even as an adult. It doesn't happen every single time of course, but alas the beginning of periods cannot be neatly scheduled into a lunch break.

    Well you are wrong, I am female so I know full well about periods thanks

    Needing to go for a wee and needing to deal with your period, really not the same thing. Going to the bathroom, yes, you can usually hold for at least some time. Periods, not so much. Biology, funny old thing ain't it?

    N.B. very aware the OP's daughter didn't have her period, but just found that comment a tad ridiculous.
    Originally posted by KateySW
    This is the point. The period was mentioned by the mother as a "what if" scenario, which makes the situation seem much worse than it actually is. Fact is there was no period involved and the girl should have gone to the loo when she had the chance just minutes earlier.
    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 12th Jul 17, 4:51 PM
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    It's easy. Child is known to mess about and her requests to go to the toilet was the 3rd one that week, after being allowed to go the times before but reminded to go at break. Child took ages to come back leaving teacher suspicious that this was not about needing the toilet: Teacher acted totally reasonable.

    Child is always well behaved, never asked to go to the toilet before, looked uncomfortable and shy about it. Totally unreasonable.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 12th Jul 17, 4:55 PM
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    That's ironic! You were telling us that we should be restricting our replies.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    I was telling you nothing of the kind.

    It is my opinion that a discussion about what happens when someone is having their period and wants to go to the toilet is irrelevant to the OP's specific complaint.

    You don't have to agree.

    You - or anyone else - don't have to stop discussing how a pupil should deal with a need to use the toilet if she is on her period or how a teacher should deal with a request to use the toilet if the pupil is on her period.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 12th Jul 17, 4:58 PM
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    This is the point. The period was mentioned by the mother as a "what if" scenario, which makes the situation seem much worse than it actually is.
    Originally posted by jondav
    I agree with this ^^^^.

    Fact is there was no period involved and the girl should have gone to the loo when she had the chance just minutes earlier.
    Originally posted by jondav
    It was 40 minutes after lunch, quite reasonable in my eyes to need a wee after lunch. She had to wait 1hr and half
    Originally posted by birtley90
    • KateySW
    • By KateySW 12th Jul 17, 4:58 PM
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    Don't be ridiculous.

    A young girl of this age who has started her period will have (or should have had) that conversation with her parents, at least her mother.

    And during that conversation, a responsible mother would explain to her daughter how to be prepared, how to be discreet and how to make sure that they don't have to skip out of class just s few minutes after having a break.

    They will have to learn to deal with periods sooner or later - why not start now??

    Mollycoddled, spoiled kids are the reason this country is in such a mess - they expect everything to just go their way and the worst thing is the parents back them up!!
    Originally posted by jondav
    Just posting this here again jondav, seeing as you've just argued back that the whole point is that it wasn't about it being her period - bit odd when you wrote the comment above about dealing with periods, being discreet, having the conversation with mothers, not having to skip out of class etc etc...

    My comment wasn't out of context in response to that
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 12th Jul 17, 5:05 PM
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    You think every time a girl is on their period, they should bring in a note from home excusing them to go to the toilet?

    Isn't this a little embarrassing for an 11 year old to have to hand to possibly a male teacher?
    Originally posted by pollyanna24
    Why would it be any more embarrassing? Are you suggesting a male teacher wouldn't understand the issue? Seems a bit sexist....
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 12th Jul 17, 5:09 PM
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    Often I just have the sudden urge to go and need to go.

    There are some stupid !!!!ers who seem incapable of thinking.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 12th Jul 17, 5:14 PM
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    Tell you what, next time one of you is doing your job, invite the teacher along to tell you how to do it..... Until then, you let him/her run their classroom as they see fit and you get on with your job, whether that's parenting or professional or both.


    Using an extreme example to justify a position is a common flaw in liberal arguments. So how about this for a compromise.


    If it's ok to leave the classroom because you are on your period, but not to use the toilet, would that be ok? Then simply explain to the teacher that is the reason and they'll be aware that for next few days it may happen, the situation should only occur a handful of times a term!
    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 12th Jul 17, 5:22 PM
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    Similar thread to a recent one, teachers using their 'real' names signing up to defend the school.....

    Has using the toilet in lesson time taken over from the school uniform threads?
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 12th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
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    Similar thread to a recent one, teachers using their 'real' names signing up to defend the school.....

    Has using the toilet in lesson time taken over from the school uniform threads?
    Originally posted by kingfisherblue
    Don't worry as the debate will soon be balanced by a new member, who will be a pillar of the teaching profession, joining to express her horror at the teacher who condones such inhumane treatment of a child.

    Am I psychic, or just been here for a few years
    • GwylimT
    • By GwylimT 12th Jul 17, 5:57 PM
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    She wont be able to use the toilet during lessons when she starts secondary school in September, so she better get used to going at the appropriate time.
    • maman
    • By maman 12th Jul 17, 6:20 PM
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    Similar thread to a recent one, teachers using their 'real' names signing up to defend the school.....

    Has using the toilet in lesson time taken over from the school uniform threads?
    Originally posted by kingfisherblue

    I infinitely prefer fake Uggs and black plimsoll threads. I must have a shoe fetish. Toilet humour has never been my thing.
    • surveyqueenuk
    • By surveyqueenuk 12th Jul 17, 6:57 PM
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    I feel sure that louiseturner attended the same teaching college as Vickytaylor.

    Personally, I think there is something untoward about this thread and the previous one started by kellbanks. It doesn't half smell iffy...
    • LilElvis
    • By LilElvis 12th Jul 17, 7:10 PM
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    I infinitely prefer fake Uggs and black plimsoll threads. I must have a shoe fetish. Toilet humour has never been my thing.
    Originally posted by maman
    I miss bluelass and her extremely dysfunctional family
    • avogadro
    • By avogadro 12th Jul 17, 8:27 PM
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    And also by a newbie!
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    And by strange coincidence there's a 'newbie' teacher posting as well, as there was on the first thread.
    • thorsoak
    • By thorsoak 12th Jul 17, 8:35 PM
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    From my experience, if one works at the till in a supermarket, or at the till in a small shop, you cannot just walk away from your post because you need to relieve yourself; you have to wait until someone can take over or until a supervisor locks your till. If you work as a driver you cannot "go" whenever you want, if you work as a carer, a nurse or doctor you cannot go immediately you feel you need.

    Bladder control education isn't a subject for school - it should be taught at home, well before the age of 11. Your DD would not have eaten her lunch just immediately before going back into class - she would have had time to go before the end of the lunch break.

    Of course there are, and always will be, those who have a specific and genuine problem with bladder control - but that should be well known to school staff and the child concerned should be able to discreetly remove himself/herself from class and return promptly.
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