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    • zacepi
    • By zacepi 12th Jul 17, 9:07 AM
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    EA 189 Nox - Seat
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    • 12th Jul 17, 9:07 AM
    EA 189 Nox - Seat 12th Jul 17 at 9:07 AM
    I have a 7 year old Seat with a 1.5L Diesel engine.

    Just had the letter regarding getting the EA 189 service done.
    Have done some googling and seen some horror stories about dead engines.

    The question is - does this give me any benefit at all?

    It's an arseache to get to a dealer for me, so a wasted morning or afternoon in all. I intend to keep the car until it becomes uneconomic, it just runs around town now having had a hard life. It will possibly be used as a trade-in one day - would a dealer refuse to take it without this "fix"?

    thanks in advance

    Z
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    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 12th Jul 17, 9:32 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 9:32 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 9:32 AM
    I wouldn't bother, there's nothing to gain. Up to you really.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 12th Jul 17, 10:30 AM
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    • #3
    • 12th Jul 17, 10:30 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 10:30 AM
    If it ain't broke........

    Documentary about the diesel gate fix on radio 4 last night. Nothing but horror stories. I know an Audi technician and he's not getting his car done.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08x9ckv
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
    • zacepi
    • By zacepi 12th Jul 17, 10:43 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 10:43 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 10:43 AM
    Well that's 3 people including me who don't see the point.

    How about this for a coincidence? I had a letter in May which prompted my OP today. Within 20 mins of posting it, I got another letter from Seat nagging me. Obviously the take up isn't going as well as they hoped because the original letter only mentioned taking it to a dealer. The one today says

    At a time and place to suit you

    The AA will come to your house and apply the fix. And you get a certificate. Woop. Smacks of desperation. I think me and my unlawful emissions will have to carry on unfixed. Sorry to the environment and all that.....

    Z
    • khcomp
    • By khcomp 12th Jul 17, 7:28 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 7:28 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 7:28 PM
    There was a discussion about this on radio 4 today: I'm a bid cheesed off about this 'scandal' - people are under the impression that a 'device' of some sort was fitted to VAG vehicles to 'cheat' the emissions test. In reality, it's just a different firmware stored in the ECU on road cars. If you're happy with the car, don't bother with the 'fix'. The general consensus seems to be that performance, economy & reliability all suffer after the fix is applied... Effectively, your car's software is better than the newer version because in certain circumstances it can make the car more efficient, so the newer software, to all intents and purposes, is actually a downgrade.
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 12th Jul 17, 8:58 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 8:58 PM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 8:58 PM
    the newer software, to all intents and purposes, is actually a downgrade
    If this is the VW software "defeat", my understanding is that :
    a) VW made it behave differently during a ( recognised ) emissions test, so it would meet the standard
    b) It had to be different only then, because always behaving that way would lose : performance, economy, and reliability
    c)The software "fix" is to make it always meet the standard ; thus causing the issues of (b). It might be a little better than the original software, but if it was easy to make it just as good all the time, VW would have done that in the first place. Most other companies need AdBlue.

    I thought that compensation had been discussed ; and if that is based on suffering (b), then I would have thought it should only be paid, once (b) is suffered.
    Perhaps at some point the "fix" will become mandatory to pass the MOT. It is probably mandatory if a dealer sells it on ; but if the AA will do it for free, they shouldn't care very much about having to arrange that.

    I'm betting you'll keep getting letters, because the government is pressing them on numbers ; and if you put it in a dealer for any work, it will get done. Drive too slowly past a dealership, and someone will come running out with an electronic box to try to do it.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 13th Jul 17, 8:06 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:06 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:06 AM
    If you watched Watchdog last night it would definitely put you off having it done. There is no benefit to the car owner but there are plenty of people that end up with issues afterwards with some vehicles deciding to go into limp mode. Some people were travelling at 70 on motorways at the time and other pretty dangerous scenarios.

    The update seems to cause a problem with the EGR valve in some cases.
    Last edited by hollie.weimeraner; 13-07-2017 at 8:10 AM.
    • kiddy guy
    • By kiddy guy 13th Jul 17, 8:08 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:08 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:08 AM
    DO NOT HAVE THIS UPDATE DONE!

    Hope that's clear The update has seen thousands of owners experience reduced MPG, lower torque, EGR valve failures (multiple times) and cars going into limp mode all the time. The car runs more regens more often and people's cars sound like tractors. Do you want to be driving along at 70 in the outside lane and suddenly your car goes into limp mode and rapidly deccelerates to 20mph?

    The CEO of VW has been accused by the Parliamentary select committee of lying to them about the fix.

    If anyone has any doubt whether to have the fix I'd just ask:

    1) Does your car run fine now?
    2) Do you trust a company that has lied to billions of people already and has been forced to buy back cars in America
    3) Do you believe VW can apply a fix that will do absolutely nothing whilst satisfying the UK govt - if so why didnt they do this to begin with

    The begging letters from VW to have the fix are up to 6 now - seems desperate. They even have the DVSA logo on to make you think you have to have it - IT IS AN OPTIONAL FIX. IT IS NOT MANDATORY . If VW don't get enough fixes done then they will be fined by the government so all they want is to get cars fixed!

    If you are still doubting, please go and check out the Volkswagen diesel customer forum on Facebook and see the misery that the fix has brought to people.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 13th Jul 17, 8:16 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:16 AM
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    • 13th Jul 17, 8:16 AM
    Perhaps at some point the "fix" will become mandatory to pass the MOT.
    Originally posted by Geoff1963
    It has nothing to do with the MOT as the vehicle would have passed the emissions test without the fix anyway (and in the case of the OP he has already passed either 4 or 5 MOT's).

    No vehicle will fail an MOT because it hasn't had a manufacturers recall. The MOT testers can only test on items that are listed in the testers handbook with emissions set between parameters and as long as these parameters are met vehicles will pass.
    • Nagme
    • By Nagme 13th Jul 17, 9:37 PM
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    Of course it will pass the MOT without getting the software "upgrade" - that's what the software was designed to cheat!

    PS don't get the fix!
    July 2017 £20,864.
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 14th Jul 17, 8:25 AM
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    Of course it will pass the MOT without getting the software "upgrade" - that's what the software was designed to cheat!

    PS don't get the fix!
    Originally posted by Nagme
    No it wasn't!
    • zacepi
    • By zacepi 14th Jul 17, 11:26 AM
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    All have confirmed my suspicion about this, so thanks for the replies.

    The tone of the letter leads me to believe that the next letter will possibly offer a bribe to have it done. It had better be in the £100s to convince me! Hope VW are reading, as are lots of owners of these engines.

    Z
    • Crag30
    • By Crag30 20th Jul 17, 10:02 AM
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    I had my software updated 10 months ago now. On leaving the service centre then, I noticed a change in the way my A4 Estate drove.
    On pulling away and having just gone up a gear, I noticed less power, and seemed to be noisier, but i put up with it.
    Wind forward to early June 2017 and I've booked a holiday. On the 2nd day the engine management light comes on, which kind of killed the holiday to be honest as I couldn't make any plans until somebody could look at the car.

    A local independant service centre stepped in to help me and found the error was given by the pressure sensor for the Diesel Particulate FIlter.
    He reset it and sent me off to get some DPF cleaner to put into the diesel.

    Last Saturday the Engine Management light came on again. On Monday I was informed it was the same error and that a new sensor may solve the problem, but the errors kept repeating.

    It seemed like I was going to have to have the DPF replaced, (which is roughly £1000 job)
    An independant VAG specialist was sent my way by a friend, who checked the car over, found the DPF clean as a whistle, and no other faults, apart from a problem with the Software update, to remove the cheat emission software that Audi uploaded 10 months ago.

    The car was factory reset to it's original settings, and I no longer have engine management light coming on, and I have the power back.

    I wonder what Audi will do for me to apologise for my losses, or make me want to buy Audi again? I won't hold my breath.
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