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    • chcnorris29
    • By chcnorris29 11th Jul 17, 6:25 PM
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    Incorrect road name and failed appeal.
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    • 11th Jul 17, 6:25 PM
    Incorrect road name and failed appeal. 11th Jul 17 at 6:25 PM
    Hi,
    I got a parking ticket a while back from UKPC. The road name on the ticket was incorrect, i was parked on a different road. The road on the ticket is only round the corner however is a totally different name. The restrictions on both streets i believe to be the same but i was not parked on the street listed on the ticket.
    I appealed this charge explaining that I was not parked on the street in question on the date in question however I was parked on another street round the corner (if i am correct i believe they have no ability under the law to change a ticket??).
    They have now emailed me back after a very long time explaining that they rejected my appeal due to adequate signage been present in the street listed on the ticket, but not there reply makes no mention of the road where i was in fact parked.
    I will provide some screen shots and images to show you what I mean.

    Should i just pay the reduced price now or should i go via POPLA and continue to appeal on the bases of the incorrect information on the ticket, and is the ticket with incorrect details enforceable?

    Thank you in advance.

    Ticket says I was parked on "Civic Close" in Birmingham - in fact I was parked on Brindley Drive. Both these streets can easily be found on google maps and street view (B1 area of Birmingham) I would provide screen shots but can't see where to add images.

    Below is the wording of the reply from the appeal (I have removed any names, reg numbers, case number ect, also had to remove web addresses as it will not let me post them, have put (link) in place that had web addresses):

    Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to the above Parking Charge.
    We have investigated your appeal based on the information you have submitted and confirm that this Parking Charge was correctly issued because there are sufficient signs at the Civic Close
    warning drivers that should they park their vehicle without displaying a valid permit this will result in a Parking Charge being issued to the vehicle.
    Our Appeals process is now concluded, you may now pick one of the following options:
    1. Pay the parking charge detailed above at the reduced rate of £60 to UK Parking Control Ltd. PLEASE REFER OVERLEAF FOR PAYMENT OPTIONS AND ADDRESS DETAILS.
    2. Make an appeal to POPLA – Submit an appeal online at (link) within 28 days of the date of this letter using the verification code above. “Alternatively if you do not have internet access, you can send a letter to POPLA, PO Box 1270, Warrington, WA4 9RL within 28 days of the date of this letter using the verification code above.” Please note that if you wish to appeal to POPLA, you will lose the right to pay the charge at the discounted rate of £60, and should POPLA’s decision not go in your favour you will be required to pay the full amount of £100. If you opt to pay the parking charge you will be unable to appeal to POPLA.
    By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (link) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service. As such should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA, as explained above.
    3. If you choose to do nothing the parking charge will automatically increase after 35 days from the date of this letter to £100 and the matter will be passed to our debt recovery agent, at which point you will be liable to pay an additional charge of £60, in accordance with our terms and conditions of parking, and further charges will be claimed if Court action is taken against you. Any unpaid Court Judgement may adversely affect your credit rating.
    PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS LETTER. UKPC REGULARLY TAKES MOTORISTS TO COURT WHO IGNORE THEIR PARKING CHARGES. PLEASE SEE: (link) FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
    Yours faithfully,
    Appeals Department
    UK Parking Control Limited
    © UK Parking Control Ltd. PO BOX 1087, Uxbridge, Middlesex, UB8 9UR. Appeals: (link)
    Registered Office: The Apex, Sheriffs Orchard, Coventry, CV1 3PP. Registered in England No: 5104383.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Jul 17, 6:30 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 6:30 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 6:30 PM
    (if i am correct i believe they have no ability under the law to change a ticket??).
    That would be true if it was a real PCN. It's a mickey mouse one, so anything goes. This Country should be ashamed of allowing this utter scam and gangstery conduct by the lowest of the low.

    Should i just pay the reduced price now or should i go via POPLA
    Obviously POPLA. have you read the NEWBIES thread post #3, for POPLA appeal wording?

    It's a shame you went and told them who was driving - a huge rookie error. Ouch.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 11th Jul 17, 7:12 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 7:12 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 7:12 PM
    What would be the outcome if this was a Council issued ticket?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Jul 17, 7:13 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 7:13 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 7:13 PM
    Wrong location would win at adjudication, re a Council PCN (if not cancelled earlier).
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 12th Jul 17, 8:10 AM
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    • #5
    • 12th Jul 17, 8:10 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 8:10 AM
    Wrong location would win at adjudication, re a Council PCN (if not cancelled earlier).
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad


    Is this worth arguing at PoPLA?
    Last edited by The Deep; 12-07-2017 at 8:13 AM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • hoohoo
    • By hoohoo 12th Jul 17, 8:24 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 8:24 AM
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    • 12th Jul 17, 8:24 AM
    You should remove from your post all details (if any) of the driver.

    They can reissue the charge, because it is just an invoice, so this is like reissuing an incorrect invoice.

    However, by reissuing they lose the keeper liability provisions of POFA 201, and so only the driver is liable. As they dont know who the driver is, this will be a winning point at POPLA.
    Dedicated to driving up standards in parking
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