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    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 2:19 PM
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    not happy with sse/equipower changes
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    • 11th Jul 17, 2:19 PM
    not happy with sse/equipower changes 11th Jul 17 at 2:19 PM
    Hi I am with sse/ ebico/equipower on a payg meter ,am unemployed due to illness.
    A huge part of me choosing this tariff was the no standing charge, this made it way ,way easier for me to track the amount of gas and electricity i was using and had available on the meter.Especially if I was not home or using any power/gas
    Now this tariff is ending and it seems the only tariff without a standing charge is available for none PAYG customers caLLED equiZero.

    I use very little gas during the summer months and don't use much electricity,aproc 7 to 10 pounds per week for electricity and almost £zero for gas over summer, as I only use the gas heating in the winter . the standing charges will be more than the amount of gas and energy I use per day over a lot of the days esp in summer .

    I really don't know what to do as my landlord and indeed my credit history will preclude me from switching to a credit meter and I want a none standing charge tariff.
    Can anybody help me as I am (tbh) really scared this will affect my health and ability to keep up with bills.

    Many thanks .
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 11th Jul 17, 2:52 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 2:52 PM
    posted t5his morning , quick research has pointed ti a new suplier , still researching at moment http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5677740
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
    Thank you for the help,would you be referring to eversmart energy?

    and many thanks for looking for others for me.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 11th Jul 17, 3:40 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:40 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:40 PM
    ok just got off phone to SSE , prior to us being "sold" by ebico to SSE we were paying

    5.2 for gas and 14.28 for electric with no standing charge , SSE promised us 3.28 gas and 13.82 for elec (no standing charge ) but have renaged on it now wanting

    13.82 + 28.76 standing charge for elec and 3.35 + 27.41 standing charge for gas

    eversmart have quoted

    14.70 elec , no standing charge
    4.32 gas no standing charge

    http://www.eversmartenergy.co.uk/

    there may be others out there as well
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 3:43 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:43 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 3:43 PM
    interesting ,sse promised me the same until a letter arrived this morning , I would have been paying almost 180 pounds extra on gas and electricity.I have tweeted eversmart asking to confirm there rates,if they do them in my area etc(not sure which area I fall into) If they confirm the prices they have got a new customer.
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 4:21 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:21 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:21 PM
    hmm according to a quote eversmart will charge a daily standing charge of
    0.23835 per day for electricity @ 0.12915 per kWh
    0.252 per day for gas @ 0.03791 per kWh
    but I hardly use any gas during the spring summer! So will be having to top up a meter for nothing!
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 4:35 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:35 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:35 PM
    economy energy will charge

    0.00 standing charge gas @ 4.360 per kWh inc vat

    0.00 standing charge elec @16.070 per kWh inc vat
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 4:46 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:46 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 4:46 PM
    so electric averages @ 5.5 kwh per day rounded up according to estimated prediction means would need to use approx 8 kwh per day for eversmart to be cheaper than economy enrgy ? is my math right

    ie difference in kWh (3p rounded up) rate divided into the standing daily charge of 24p (rounded up)?
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 11th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
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    • 11th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
    I got this letter from SSE today too. Seems like they have scrapped the idea of the SSE Zero tariff for ex Ebico customers and are putting everyone on the SSE Standard tariff.

    I only have gas on SSE Ebico but I'll be moving my supply before the August cut off, Probably to RHE Ebico where I have just recently switched my leccy too. (I didn't have my leccy with SSE Ebico originally).
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 5:39 PM
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    I can't do that as the tariff has a daily standing charge for pre payment meter customers,I refuse to pay a daily charge for gas when I am not using any gas for heating ie over spring summer.the standing charge for gas equates to about 6 kwh hours of gas.Before I have used any.
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 5:41 PM
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    I am considering moving to different companies for gas and electricity ,zero standing charge for gas but with a standing charge for electric if I am forced to, so much for the new energy rules making things simpler.
    • NoNoDrama
    • By NoNoDrama 11th Jul 17, 5:47 PM
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    Do you have at the bottom of the letter a paragraph saying "We'll repay you the difference" a paragraph stating they will help you with the difference for the next 6 months issuing a credit? Mine said £7.84 per month will be credited to each bill.

    I've worked this out and it's the standing charge per month. It's all very confusing but it sounds like they will credit you the standing charge for 6 months when the new SSE standard tariff kicks in.
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 6:20 PM
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    No there is no mention of a payback or refund on the SSE letter .It does say I will be paying 99.97£ more for electricity and 98.58 more for gas per year tho...OUCH!

    Do you mean the SSE letter or a letter from Ebico , they have sent me nothing in the post.
    Last edited by grrfy; 11-07-2017 at 6:31 PM.
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 11th Jul 17, 6:21 PM
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    footyguy
    Hi I am with sse/ ebico/equipower on a payg meter ,am unemployed due to illness.
    A huge part of me choosing this tariff was the no standing charge, this made it way ,way easier for me to track the amount of gas and electricity i was using and had available on the meter.Especially if I was not home or using any power/gas
    Now this tariff is ending and it seems the only tariff without a standing charge is available for none PAYG customers caLLED equiZero.

    I use very little gas during the summer months and don't use much electricity,aproc 7 to 10 pounds per week for electricity and almost £zero for gas over summer, as I only use the gas heating in the winter . the standing charges will be more than the amount of gas and energy I use per day over a lot of the days esp in summer .

    I really don't know what to do as my landlord and indeed my credit history will preclude me from switching to a credit meter and I want a none standing charge tariff.
    Can anybody help me as I am (tbh) really scared this will affect my health and ability to keep up with bills.

    Many thanks .
    Originally posted by grrfy
    No, there are a number of suppliers/tariffs that offer zero standing charge (but not for PPM customers)

    PPM tariffs are now price capped - if you have an issue with that, best take it up with your MP. That's what government intervention does to prices.

    Best solution is to consult a comparison site and find the best deal(s) for you. I very much doubt you will find Ebico at the top of the list for electricity supplied via a credit meter, no matter what your consumption. Won't be top for gas either.
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 6:27 PM
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    actually economy energy offer a zero standing charge on prepaymeters .I am thinking of changing just the gas to them.
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 11th Jul 17, 6:51 PM
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    actually economy energy offer a zero standing charge on prepaymeters .I am thinking of changing just the gas to them.
    Originally posted by grrfy
    I don't see that on their website

    For the London region, they offer Evergreen Capped which has a daily standing charge 28.760p per day for electricity and 27.500p per day for gas.

    Same results from Energyhelpline

    Where did you get your info from?
    Which supply region ? (just in case that makes a significant difference, but I doubt it - the price caps imposed on PPM tariffs mean imposing a standing charge seems the only viable business solution)

    Edit:
    Actually EHL are indicating E have a zero standing charge (2 rate charging instead ) but I cannot access the E website to check it out.
    Last edited by footyguy; 11-07-2017 at 7:02 PM.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 11th Jul 17, 7:29 PM
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    ok just got off phone to SSE , prior to us being "sold" by ebico to SSE we were paying...
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    It was never a case of Ebico customers being "sold" to SSE, even with the 'sold' in inverted commas.

    Ebico entered into a new arrangement with RHE and suggested most* customers moved to the new Ebico/RHE deal. In fact Ebico wanted to move us all*, unless we opted out. That turned out not to be possible and instead we had to ask to move.

    SSE invited Ebico customers to stay with SSE and not switch to the new Ebico/RHE arrangement.

    We all* had a choice to make, stick with Ebico, or stick with SSE - but nobody was "sold" to SSE. If you remained with SSE it was because you made a choice (either intentionally or by default) to do so.

    [* I use 'most' and 'all' because (as was explained by Ebico at the time) not all customers would benefit by switching to the new Ebico/RHE arrangement.]
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 7:32 PM
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    Economy Energy value pay as you go , sorry as a new user I cannot post links

    thats what I found , although when i looked again just now it mentionss the same daily charge as you mentioned..confused now

    applied through ukpower dot co dot uk
    • grrfy
    • By grrfy 11th Jul 17, 7:39 PM
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    Economy Energy says this
    Economy Energy Value Pay As You Go
    Standing charge No standing charge
    Unit rate 4.152p per kWh
    (4.360p inc. VAT)

    Standing charge No standing charge
    Day rate 15.305p per kWh
    (16.070p inc. VAT)

    Tariff notes

    Fixed tariff for 6 months.
    Prepayment meter only
    Dual fuel or single fuel available.
    Early termination fees apply: £25 for gas, £25 for electricity (a total of £50 for dual fuel)

    This is in Distributor Area 14 which seems to be west midlands if that makes a difference.
    Last edited by grrfy; 11-07-2017 at 7:42 PM. Reason: added details
    • footyguy
    • By footyguy 11th Jul 17, 8:31 PM
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    Economy Energy value pay as you go , sorry as a new user I cannot post links

    thats what I found , although when i looked again just now it mentionss the same daily charge as you mentioned..confused now

    applied through ukpower dot co dot uk
    Originally posted by grrfy
    Economy Energy says this
    Economy Energy Value Pay As You Go
    Standing charge No standing charge
    Unit rate 4.152p per kWh
    (4.360p inc. VAT)

    Standing charge No standing charge
    Day rate 15.305p per kWh
    (16.070p inc. VAT)

    Tariff notes

    Fixed tariff for 6 months.
    Prepayment meter only
    Dual fuel or single fuel available.
    Early termination fees apply: £25 for gas, £25 for electricity (a total of £50 for dual fuel)

    This is in Distributor Area 14 which seems to be west midlands if that makes a difference.
    Originally posted by grrfy
    Thanks.

    I think that is an error by that particular comparison site
    (You cannot apply via that comparison site for that tariff anyway)

    According to EnergyLinx comparison site, that tariff by Economy Energy was removed 28-Feb-2017
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