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    • SailingAway
    • By SailingAway 10th Jul 17, 3:06 PM
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    Parking Charge Notice while car with Airport Meet & Greet
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:06 PM
    Parking Charge Notice while car with Airport Meet & Greet 10th Jul 17 at 3:06 PM
    I regularly travel for work, and book my parking using the links on the Money Saving Expert site - usually through Holiday Extras or SkyPark Secure. One such trip was 4th - 10th June 2017.

    This morning, I received a letter entitle "Parking Charge Notice (PCN)", with my vehicle reg, a reference number (PCN No), an issue date, and an 'incident' date. The letter stated that I had been in a car park in Hayes, from 1320 on the 10/6, until 2010 on the 10/6. The 'fine' is £100, reduced to £60 if I pay within 14 days.

    The company are called "Civil Enforcement", and have the website www.ce-service.co.uk. They state I can appeal in writing or by e-mail, but do not publish an e-mail address.

    The company I booked parking with were called 'Parking Spotz", albeit through the Holiday Extras site. I paid by credit card. Parking Spotz' telephone numbers do not even ring; they state not available.

    How do people suggest I proceed? Do I pay the fine, and request a chargeback on my card? Not sure if this is over a time limit. Do I appeal the fine? Do I contact Holiday Extras? All of the above?

    Thanks!

    Jim
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Jul 17, 3:09 PM
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    They state I can appeal in writing or by e-mail, but do not publish an e-mail address.
    Their email is on the PCN...where it tells you how to appeal. But I reckon you should simply name the company acting as the keeper/driver of the car on that day, filling in the section about the driver. Name 'Parking Spotz' and their address and attach a COPY of proof of the booking/Airport Transfer contract, as proof.

    If you have to post that slip, take a photocopy of it first and keep that along with the receipt from the PO Counter for a free 'certificate of posting' (NOT RECORDED, oh my Lord, not recorded). Keep that proof with the PCN for six years, and use it in your defence of CEL proceed to try to claim from you.


    How do people suggest I proceed? Do I pay the fine, and request a chargeback on my card?
    Don't be daft, of course you don't pay.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Redx
    • By Redx 10th Jul 17, 3:10 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:10 PM
    its not a "fine" , its an INVOICE , nothing more

    give them details of the driver/company who were entrusted with it , therefore NAME THE DRIVER and as RK you have fulfilled your obligations under POFA2012

    also read the NEWBIES sticky thread so you understand more about what this sc@m is (and only a fool would pay it)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • SailingAway
    • By SailingAway 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
    Thanks chaps!

    I've found the e-mail address in tiny writing at the bottom of the letter. They don't ask me who the driver is. I will e-mail them (and post a letter) showing, as you say, that the car was with Parking Spotz and that I refuse to pay.

    I will also read the newbies thread :-)
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
    They don't ask me who the driver is.
    Yes they do, in a slip on the back of the PCN, or in a paragraph asking about it.

    You must give Parking Spotz' name and address.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 10th Jul 17, 3:23 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:23 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:23 PM
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5545732&highlight=airport+meet+gr eet
    • SailingAway
    • By SailingAway 10th Jul 17, 3:41 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:41 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:41 PM
    Yes they do, in a slip on the back of the PCN, or in a paragraph asking about it.

    You must give Parking Spotz' name and address.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I have sent them a letter with parking spotz name and address. Their form (which I can post an attachment of if necessary) is an A4 sheet of paper, printed, and the 'Payment Slip' at the bottom has sections called "From" and "Address". It states it is to accompany cheques. I'm loathe to fill in their form, as it may indicate acceptance of the charge - hopefully my letter providing Parking Spotz name and address will suffice.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Jul 17, 3:46 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:46 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 3:46 PM
    Hopefully the letter has the PCN and VRN number and your full name and address on it, as well as Parking Spotz' name and address, and proof of the Airport parking contract?

    And we hope the letter was sent at a PO counter, with a free proof of posting certificate (not recorded)?
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 10th Jul 17, 4:33 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 4:33 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 4:33 PM
    These meet and greet companies have featured on watchdog and in the news numerous times for this sort of activity and getting speeding tickets, blowing up engines etc personally I can't see the attraction and wouldn't take the risk.

    Good luck, but don't expect much help from Parking Spotz whose registered address is a very ordinary residential property in Burton Latimer.

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10056963

    Their terms and conditions basically say they aren't responsible for anything:

    https://www.parking-spotz.com/terms-and-conditions/
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 10th Jul 17, 8:05 PM
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    Much as some of these car parking companies are rogue operators using pub car parks and so on, have you checked to sdee if CEL are complying with the protection of freedoms act?

    If CEL have failed to meet the requirements of the protections of freedoms act, then why give them a chance to get at their money?
    If you point CEL at Parking Spotz, then theres every chance some poor minimum wage employee will end up getting the fine docked from his/her wages, and CEL getting their ill gotten gains.

    So if CEL have failed to meet the requirements of Sch.4 of the Protection of freedoms act a simple reply, along the lines of


    Dear CEL, Re pakring charge notice refxxxxxxxx issued to vehicle registration ABC 123
    I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle, at the time of the parking event to which your invoice refers to I was out of the country, and i have evidence to prove this.
    As your so called parking charge notice fails to meet the strict requirements of the protection of freedoms act, I, as Registered keeper am under no obligation to name ( or attempt to name) the driver on the day, and therefore this matter is closed.
    I am also aware of the Elliot vs Loake case, which some parking companies attempt to use, however that case (EvL) was a criminal case, backed up by forensic evidence and is irrelevant with civil matters.

    I am also making a formal request under sch10 of the Data protection act to have my data removed from your system, with the exception of an acknowledgement of this letter I do not expect to hear from you again.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 11th Jul 17, 7:05 AM
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    Dear CEL, Re pakring charge notice refxxxxxxxx issued to vehicle registration ABC 123
    I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle, at the time of the parking event to which your invoice refers to I was out of the country, and i have evidence to prove this.
    As your so called parking charge notice fails to meet the strict requirements of the protection of freedoms act, I, as Registered keeper am under no obligation to name ( or attempt to name) the driver on the day, and therefore this matter is closed.
    I am also aware of the Elliot vs Loake case, which some parking companies attempt to use, however that case (EvL) was a criminal case, backed up by forensic evidence and is irrelevant with civil matters.

    I am also making a formal request under sch10 of the Data protection act to have my data removed from your system, with the exception of an acknowledgement of this letter I do not expect to hear from you again.[/I]
    Originally posted by Half_way
    NO! In this case, it appears that the meet and greeters are the bigger villains. Look how long they left your car unattended. Goodness knows what else they might have done.

    Just give CEL the facts and let the predators fight it out. With a bit of luck, they could both end up with court costs.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 11th Jul 17, 7:24 AM
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    The most likely scenario if CEL chase the net and greet company is that some unwitting employee will get charged/docked.
    Then a follow up could be Help ive been fined by cel, and my wages have been docked after work told me to park a vehicle at......

    If cel do not comply with the protection of freedoms act, then why make it easy for them to claim their ill gotten money?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Jul 17, 3:03 PM
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    It's a hard call, which is the worst aggressor?
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 11th Jul 17, 3:45 PM
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    The reality is ... OP is not at fault, the M+G company have primary fault for causing the PCN to be incurred in the first place.

    Forget about whether it possibly might impact some poor employee - OP needs to look after number 1 and get this killed stone dead. Naming the M+G company is the way to do this.
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