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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jul 17, 2:28 PM
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    I don't understand why anyone would rent at all on these forever contracts, it is bizarre and the agent didn't say anything about it at all. I didn't think I had to be an expert since I was going through a professional and trusted them. They found the tenant and did the referencing.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Well - you certainly tell the agent exactly what this tenant is like (ie just in case they are one of the more responsible ones and the tenant has lied to them as well).
    If there's "4 tendencies" type of people (Gretchen Rubin) = yep....Questioner type here
    - Meets an expectation only if they believe it's justified and resists anything arbitrary or ineffective
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jul 17, 2:30 PM
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    You know what's bizarre - someone running a business with no knowledge of what's involved. Sell up and move on.
    Originally posted by Guest101
    Some people have been brought up to be responsible - and it sometimes takes a while to realise there are quite a few others that havent had similar upbringing
    If there's "4 tendencies" type of people (Gretchen Rubin) = yep....Questioner type here
    - Meets an expectation only if they believe it's justified and resists anything arbitrary or ineffective
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 10th Jul 17, 2:31 PM
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    Some people have been brought up to be responsible - and it sometimes takes a while to realise there are quite a few others that havent had similar upbringing
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention


    Is that an excuse then? Just curious why your fiery judgment of morality only flows one way?
    • Soundgirlrocks
    • By Soundgirlrocks 10th Jul 17, 2:31 PM
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    Tell them I have very valid reasons for specifying no pets in the contract - ie my allergy and protecting my garden from toileting and my home from smelling doggy and say that they had the shortest possible notice period I could legally give them to get out. Followed by telling them the costs they would already incur for new carpets/professional cleaning/any putting right the garden and that I suggested they don't try and "stand on their rights/forget their responsibilities" or I'd be looking to see if I could get compensation as well for problems/hassle they were causing me and see if I could ensure an accurate reference about them got passed onto potential future landlords.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    You clearly know nothing both the law around being a landlord as your comment I've highlighted in red shows. It stops being your home the moment you sign a contract with the tenant. You can not legally deduct from their deposit for new carpets - thats betterment, and you have no right to any compensation for what you perceive as "problems/hassle". Coupled with your suggestion the OP blackmail their tenants, and use intimidating and threatening behaviour I really hope no one has the misfortune to rent a property from you.
    Last edited by Soundgirlrocks; 10-07-2017 at 2:34 PM.
    • Rosemary7391
    • By Rosemary7391 10th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
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    OP, please, find yourself a basic landlording course somewhere reputable. Buy a good book. Read through G_M's links. Anything to get yourself up to speed. You are messing with someone's home. Take it seriously!
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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
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    It's hardly harassment to stand outside on the street, or send some texts..... oh wait....
    Originally posted by Guest101
    I admit that my neighbour is nosy but I was glad she told me about this as I am not happy at all. She took photos of the dog and sent them to me because of its appearance, she was afraid of it. She said it lunged at her on the pavement, but in reality I think that may be an exaggeration, as she also told me that my previous tenant was a 'lady of the night' seeing clients in the flat but in reality she just had a new boyfriend every three nights.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 10th Jul 17, 2:35 PM
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    You clearly know nothing both the law around being a landlord as your comment I've highlighted in red shows. It stops being your home the moment you sign a contract with the tenant. You can not legally deduct from their deposit for new carpets - thats betterment, and you have no right to any compensation for what you perceive as "problems/hassle". Coupled with your suggestion the OP blackmail their tenants, and use intimidating and threating behaviour I really hope no one has the misfortune to rent a property from you.
    Originally posted by Soundgirlrocks
    If you have any experience with that poster you should have known you could have stopped after the first four words.
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 10th Jul 17, 2:35 PM
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    I admit that my neighbour is nosy but I was glad she told me about this as I am not happy at all. She took photos of the dog and sent them to me because of its appearance, she was afraid of it. She said it lunged at her on the pavement, but in reality I think that may be an exaggeration, as she also told me that my previous tenant was a 'lady of the night' seeing clients in the flat but in reality she just had a new boyfriend every three nights.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Post the pics so we can see then. Probably just a husky or malamute!
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 10th Jul 17, 2:36 PM
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    I admit that my neighbour is nosy but I was glad she told me about this as I am not happy at all. - your happiness is not relevant. She took photos of the dog and sent them to me because of its appearance, she was afraid of it. - her phobias are not relevant. She said it lunged at her on the pavement - why is she telling you? , but in reality I think that may be an exaggeration, as she also told me that my previous tenant was a 'lady of the night' seeing clients in the flat but in reality she just had a new boyfriend every three nights - so is unreliable as a witness...
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    One last time....


    Them having a dog, of any breed, is not relevant. If you continue to spy on your neighbours, you could find yourself getting your collar felt.


    I'd suggest you concentrate on your own responsibilities, as you are liable for a lot more than they are if things go wrong.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 10th Jul 17, 2:38 PM
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    I admit that my neighbour is nosy but I was glad she told me about this as I am not happy at all. She took photos of the dog and sent them to me because of its appearance, she was afraid of it. She said it lunged at her on the pavement, but in reality I think that may be an exaggeration, as she also told me that my previous tenant was a 'lady of the night' seeing clients in the flat but in reality she just had a new boyfriend every three nights.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Sounds like just the kind of person you should be listening to.


    Forget the dog; it's the least of your worries. Do as people have suggested and find out about the laws on renting.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 2:39 PM
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    BINGO!

    Take photos of the dog/recordings of it howling/etc and that's where you tell these tenants to forget about "standing on their rights - whilst carefully forgetting their responsibilities" and you'd like them out pronto or else you'll be going into that further.....

    That's two lies they've told you now
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    I don't think I would be able to threaten them to report the dog, I can't prove that it's not legal just because it looks strange, I would have to find a way to test its DNA....
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 10th Jul 17, 2:40 PM
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    I would have to find a way to test its DNA....
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Troll...lol.....lol
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 10th Jul 17, 2:40 PM
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    Post the pics so we can see then. Probably just a husky or malamute!
    Originally posted by lovinituk
    She's said it's a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Google them. They look like wolves. I'm not sure how anything could look any more like a wolf than one of those, to be honest.
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 10th Jul 17, 2:43 PM
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    She's said it's a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Google them. They look like wolves. I'm not sure how anything could look any more like a wolf than one of those, to be honest.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    She's (if we're referring to OP?) said a lot of things, doesn't make them true, hence why I said post the pics.

    I hadn't heard of that breed before but just looked it up - they look like a husky/alsatian cross!
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 10th Jul 17, 2:44 PM
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    I don't understand why anyone would rent at all on these forever contracts, it is bizarre and the agent didn't say anything about it at all. I didn't think I had to be an expert since I was going through a professional and trusted them. They found the tenant and did the referencing.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Oh dear. yep, definitely sell up.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 10th Jul 17, 2:47 PM
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    She's (if we're referring to OP?) said a lot of things, doesn't make them true, hence why I said post the pics.

    I hadn't heard of that breed before but just looked it up - they look like a husky/alsatian cross!
    Originally posted by lovinituk
    My point being that if the tenant claims it's a Czech Wolfdog, I don't know how anyone could look at it and say "No, it isn't, it's more wolflike than that."
    It's far more likely to be the recognised, legal dog breed that they say it is than an illegal half wolf hybrid that somebody has imported with enormous difficulty and expense. So much more likely, that the latter alternative can be discarded.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 2:50 PM
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    Post the pics so we can see then. Probably just a husky or malamute!
    Originally posted by lovinituk
    The tenant has already admitted it is a breed of wolfdog, one which is legal. But apparently it doesn't matter what kind of breed it is, even if it is an illegal wild animal it is free to tear the place up and no-one can do anything. I think I will suggest that they get themselves more animals and turn the place into a petting zoo, where the animals TEAR YOUR BELONGINGS TO SHREDS AND PEE ALL OVER YOU
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 10th Jul 17, 2:51 PM
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    The tenant has already admitted it is a breed of wolfdog, one which is legal. But apparently it doesn't matter what kind of breed it is, even if it is an illegal wild animal it is free to tear the place up and no-one can do anything. I think I will suggest that they get themselves more animals and turn the place into a petting zoo, where the animals TEAR YOUR BELONGINGS TO SHREDS AND PEE ALL OVER YOU
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop

    I seriously hope the tenants come on this forum and get advice to tell you to F......
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 10th Jul 17, 2:51 PM
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    My point being that if the tenant claims it's a Czech Wolfdog, I don't know how anyone could look at it and say "No, it isn't, it's more wolflike than that."
    It's far more likely to be the recognised, legal dog breed that they say it is than an illegal half wolf hybrid that somebody has imported with enormous difficulty and expense. So much more likely, that the latter alternative can be discarded.
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    I'm taking everything the OP says with a pinch of salt. We don't even know if the tenant really exists, let alone that they said it was a Czech Wolfdog. Now with the OPs DNA testing comment I think its all bull$h1t anyway.
    • Tammykitty
    • By Tammykitty 10th Jul 17, 2:54 PM
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    You could tell the agency you rent through that the tenants have got a dog - against the terms of the contract, and let the professionals advise you.


    You could potentially give permission for the dog (as it already there), but ask for a bigger deposit to cover the potential damage (This would also need to be protected) and add an amendment that the tenants must get the flat professionally cleaned,
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