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    • Outsider_83
    • By Outsider_83 10th Jul 17, 11:02 AM
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    Getting out before the 12th
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:02 AM
    Getting out before the 12th 10th Jul 17 at 11:02 AM
    I'm new to Ireland and I've just became aware of of the secterian hate rampage on July 12th. I plan to go down to Mayo from the 11th to 16th, is this long enough and will I be safe to return then? The though of my house being destroyed or getting caught up in the violence of the day where I could end up dead terrifies me.

    What is the norm leaving duration in Ireland for this time?
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    • Tammykitty
    • By Tammykitty 11th Jul 17, 12:21 PM
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    Someone set the Carrick/Castkemara one off last night. I bet they're not well chuffed about that: 5 storeys of pallets they've been stacking for the last couple of months gone, just like that.
    Originally posted by RikM

    I think that happened last year too somewhere
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 12:50 PM
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    Guys, this is classic trolling here.

    We've seen it before with hurricane, shaz77,former_student. It's obviously the same poster. Just ignore. They drop in and out with new usernames.
    Originally posted by saverbuyer
    You're right - i've just had a cursory look at his previous posts.

    Hes said himself this is an "anonymous" user id he set up back in March, initially to ask for some dating advice, then get advice with his love life issues and then advice on his personal grooming / hygiene issues, but hes now moved on to trolling with it.

    I guess when you take in to account his personal shortcomings its not hard to see why hes resorted to internet trolling.
    Last edited by motorguy; 11-07-2017 at 12:55 PM.
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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 11th Jul 17, 1:17 PM
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    I got out this morning at 7 am, hugely relieved to be safe. Heartened to hear that marchers are declining.
    Originally posted by Outsider_83
    Are you appealing for refugee status on crossing the border? Let's face it - those Syrians fleeing across the Mediterranean in rafts after their families have been massacred haven't experienced anything like the hardship of a middle class Belfast fantasist.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 1:43 PM
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    Are you appealing for refugee status on crossing the border? Let's face it - those Syrians fleeing across the Mediterranean in rafts after their families have been massacred haven't experienced anything like the hardship of a middle class Belfast fantasist.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    That genuinely made me laugh out loud.
    You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
    • Cherryscone
    • By Cherryscone 11th Jul 17, 3:44 PM
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    Are you appealing for refugee status on crossing the border? Let's face it - those Syrians fleeing across the Mediterranean in rafts after their families have been massacred haven't experienced anything like the hardship of a middle class Belfast fantasist.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop

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    • RikM
    • By RikM 11th Jul 17, 9:25 PM
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    I think that happened last year too somewhere
    Originally posted by Tammykitty
    But blow me if they haven't rebuilt it during the day. Nearly as tall as before (while a fire engine still douses the smouldering wreckage of the original structure)...
    • Old Git
    • By Old Git 12th Jul 17, 8:33 AM
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    Another relatively quiet night .Fire service called out 40 times ,up 21% on last year .
    Surely I cant be the only person who thinks the bonfires in built up areas is wrong . Houses been boarded up as its" our Kulcher ".Building next to a petrol station ,and I am sure the holiday inn are delighted to have a bonfire in its car park . Onward and upwards we have come a long way since Drumcree .
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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 12th Jul 17, 10:03 AM
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    Course it is. It's a sign of the lack of control by police etc than fires can be erected close to property. Apart from the colossal waste of fuel, what's the problem? No doubt there will be another set of bonfires next month, with different posters, dummies and flags going up in smoke.

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    • Old Git
    • By Old Git 12th Jul 17, 10:46 AM
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-40580826/flats-residents-fears-over-bonfire-heat
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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 12th Jul 17, 11:23 AM
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    So how are you going to stop youngsters building bonfires? It's been going on for a couple of hundred years, and probably long before 11 th nights in another form, since midsummer bonfires are a tradition in many European countries, particularly Scandinavia and Slavic lands. Oh, and as you see, they're quite good crack.
    Any ideas?
    • chunter
    • By chunter 12th Jul 17, 11:25 AM
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    With all the politicians off on their holidays, Seamie Bryson is left to be the cultural attache.
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 12th Jul 17, 1:36 PM
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    Laughed out load there. Bryson the fool.

    This is the first time I've been in Ireland for the 12th in 20 years. It'll probably be the last to be fair.
    Last edited by saverbuyer; 12-07-2017 at 1:39 PM.
    • joefizz
    • By joefizz 12th Jul 17, 2:59 PM
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    So how are you going to stop youngsters building bonfires?
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    Jail them.

    It's been going on for a couple of hundred years, and probably long before 11 th nights in another form, since midsummer bonfires are a tradition in many European countries, particularly Scandinavia and Slavic lands. Oh, and as you see, they're quite good crack.
    Any ideas?
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    Ive travelled the world and have been in numerous countries during their national day (Switzerland, Canada, France, Chile etc) and I was always struck how European countries in particular deal with bonfires.
    Firstly they are built to a certain height in a certain way with buy in from the local fire service. If youve ever been in the scouts and built an Altar fire then its the same principle. The fire is elevated off the ground slightly have metal sheets underneath and a layer of soil to insulate the ground and the fire is placed on top. The fire is built of proper wood and to a height that will burn for an hour or so (no pallets, no tires, no old sofas) and after a fixed time period the fire service put it out and everyone goes home.
    Oh and alcohol is usually served nearby (as is food, hot chocolate etc etc).

    Simple really. Its like a bigger version of the patio log burner. Most people on the planet find this an acceptable way of doing things. It doesnt impinge on anyones culture, is safe, is fun and attracts tourists.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 12th Jul 17, 3:16 PM
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    Simple really. Its like a bigger version of the patio log burner. Most people on the planet find this an acceptable way of doing things. It doesnt impinge on anyones culture, is safe, is fun and attracts tourists.
    Originally posted by joefizz
    +1

    There needs to be control around whats happening on the 11th night RE: bonfire locations, etc.
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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 12th Jul 17, 3:30 PM
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    Jail them.


    What's the charge? Or will you just intern them?

    Simple really. Its like a bigger version of the patio log burner. Most people on the planet find this an acceptable way of doing things. It doesnt impinge on anyones culture, is safe, is fun and attracts tourists.
    Originally posted by joefizz
    Well all sounds fine. Who knows? It may end up like that with a bit of work, but Arlene seems to think there's a vote or two in backing this.

    I object to the pallet wastage but sofas seem like an ideal source.
    • joefizz
    • By joefizz 12th Jul 17, 3:58 PM
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    What's the charge? Or will you just intern them?.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    Go build a big bonfire in a public space at any time other than 11th July or 8th august and see what happens to you.

    Apply for a bonfire like I mentioned on your own land at say halloween, solstices etc and see all the hoops you have to jump through.

    As you said though, there has to be a political will to enforce the law. Have a look at the videos online from that apartment block last night near the big bonfire. Listen to the terror in peoples voices and see the later arrival of the fire service, people putting themselves in harms way for no good reason whatsoever.
    Even beforehand the Housing Executive boarding windows up. I mean WTF? Where else in the world would that even be considered acceptable behaviour by a government body?
    If that fire in London wasnt enough of a lesson to learn about how things can go wrong and very quickly I dont know what is.
    None of the bonfire builders give a monkeys that its the fire service and the police who will be the ones to putting their lives on the line if it goes wrong.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 12th Jul 17, 4:26 PM
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    Well there's a failure of the state for a start.

    You're right about other bonfires. A farmer round here was working at fences when two suits from the civil service arrived to ask him had he been burning hedge clippings. He hadn't, but someone had reported him for same, so these two, in fully pensionable employment, paid holidays, motor expenses, had been sent out to investigate. You're not allowed to burn clippings on your own land because of air pollution. You are allowed to hire a machine to chop them up, supposedly to allow them to rot, spewing petrol fumes into the atmosphere as it burns an irreplaceable resource. Mad.
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 12th Jul 17, 4:35 PM
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    Well there's a failure of the state for a start.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    I think the failure starts with society. Probably hundreds of people standing round last night watching this thing burn. If people weren't there to watch, it wouldn't get built. Standing round watching your neighbour's house go up in smoke... something deeply troubling about that picture.
    • JulieElizabeth
    • By JulieElizabeth 12th Jul 17, 6:49 PM
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    For some people 11th night bonfires is all they have to look forward to during the year. Kids round my way have nowt else to aspire to apart from collecting, building and guarding the annual boney
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    • donnac2558
    • By donnac2558 12th Jul 17, 6:58 PM
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    Jail them.



    Ive travelled the world and have been in numerous countries during their national day (Switzerland, Canada, France, Chile etc) and I was always struck how European countries in particular deal with bonfires.
    Firstly they are built to a certain height in a certain way with buy in from the local fire service. If youve ever been in the scouts and built an Altar fire then its the same principle. The fire is elevated off the ground slightly have metal sheets underneath and a layer of soil to insulate the ground and the fire is placed on top. The fire is built of proper wood and to a height that will burn for an hour or so (no pallets, no tires, no old sofas) and after a fixed time period the fire service put it out and everyone goes home.
    Oh and alcohol is usually served nearby (as is food, hot chocolate etc etc).

    Simple really. Its like a bigger version of the patio log burner. Most people on the planet find this an acceptable way of doing things. It doesnt impinge on anyones culture, is safe, is fun and attracts tourists.
    Originally posted by joefizz

    Can't see them wanting lock up 12 year olds and younger. Because that who do it mainly. Get the stuff delivered and they do it.
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