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    • Outsider_83
    • By Outsider_83 10th Jul 17, 11:02 AM
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    Getting out before the 12th
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:02 AM
    Getting out before the 12th 10th Jul 17 at 11:02 AM
    I'm new to Ireland and I've just became aware of of the secterian hate rampage on July 12th. I plan to go down to Mayo from the 11th to 16th, is this long enough and will I be safe to return then? The though of my house being destroyed or getting caught up in the violence of the day where I could end up dead terrifies me.

    What is the norm leaving duration in Ireland for this time?
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    • duggan1
    • By duggan1 10th Jul 17, 10:24 PM
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    From doing research the Orange order is in decline so leaving at the 12th will not last much longer.
    Originally posted by Outsider_83
    I suspect the bands will march anyway, as they do most of the time.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 10th Jul 17, 10:40 PM
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    I suspect the bands will march anyway, as they do most of the time.
    Originally posted by duggan1
    You can't have the Twelfth without the Orange as each Orange lodge invites and in most occasions pay a band to lead them on parade. A Loyal Orange parade is much richer than a typical band parade in terms of floats, banners, bannerettes, family connections, history, religious/biblical elements and even music that is not prevalent in band parades.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 8:31 AM
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    You can't have the Twelfth without the Orange as each Orange lodge invites and in most occasions pay a band to lead them on parade. A Loyal Orange parade is much richer than a typical band parade in terms of floats, banners, bannerettes, family connections, history, religious/biblical elements and even music that is not prevalent in band parades.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    Of course, its part of our culture and has been for a very long time and will continue to be so.
    You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
    • duggan1
    • By duggan1 11th Jul 17, 8:37 AM
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    You can't have the Twelfth without the Orange as each Orange lodge invites and in most occasions pay a band to lead them on parade. A Loyal Orange parade is much richer than a typical band parade in terms of floats, banners, bannerettes, family connections, history, religious/biblical elements and even music that is not prevalent in band parades.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    So if the OO decides to stop having the '12th', what's to stop the bands organising their own parade, as they do most of the time?
    • Cherryscone
    • By Cherryscone 11th Jul 17, 8:48 AM
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    From doing research the Orange order is in decline so leaving at the 12th will not last much longer.
    Originally posted by Outsider_83
    Maybe If you had used Google you would have got someone better Qualified to do your painting for you who knows you might have got yourelf an orangeman?
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    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 9:22 AM
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    So if the OO decides to stop having the '12th', what's to stop the bands organising their own parade, as they do most of the time?
    Originally posted by duggan1
    Good question, if the Loyal orders go out of business then that's the end of the Twelfths, Scarva, Derry Day and Black Saturday events as well as all Orange church parades.

    As you have rightly said bands will still have their annual parades as they do now but with the Loyal orders gone the heart is gone and with that a huge array of tradition.
    • duggan1
    • By duggan1 11th Jul 17, 9:29 AM
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    Good question, if the Loyal orders go out of business then that's the end of the Twelfths, Scarva, Derry Day and Black Saturday events as well as all Orange church parades.

    As you have rightly said bands will still have their annual parades as they do now but with the Loyal orders gone the heart is gone and with that a huge array of tradition.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    I think you're kidding yourself if you think they are going anywhere.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 9:40 AM
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    I think you're kidding yourself if you think they are going anywhere.
    Originally posted by duggan1
    The Loyal Orders?
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 9:42 AM
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    Good question, if the Loyal orders go out of business then that's the end of the Twelfths, Scarva, Derry Day and Black Saturday events as well as all Orange church parades.

    As you have rightly said bands will still have their annual parades as they do now but with the Loyal orders gone the heart is gone and with that a huge array of tradition.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    Scarva and Black Saturday are Royal Black Institution events, not Orange Order.

    Neither organisation are going anywhere anytime soon.
    You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 9:44 AM
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    So if the OO decides to stop having the '12th', what's to stop the bands organising their own parade, as they do most of the time?
    Originally posted by duggan1
    As long as there is a single Orange Man in a single Orange Order, there will be a 12th July Parade.

    And if you look at the sheer numbers at each of the many demonstrations throughout Northern Ireland and beyond, thats not happening any time soon.
    You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 9:53 AM
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    Scarva and Black Saturday are Royal Black Institution events, not Orange Order.

    Neither organisation are going anywhere anytime soon.
    Originally posted by motorguy

    To be in the Royal Black one has to be in the Orange and in fact numerically the Royal Black in in severe trouble.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 9:55 AM
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    As long as there is a single Orange Man in a single Orange Order, there will be a 12th July Parade.

    And if you look at the sheer numbers at each of the many demonstrations throughout Northern Ireland and beyond, thats not happening any time soon.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    For a lodge to exist it needs five members. Too many people attend the Twelfth but don't realise what goes into making it happen and there is definitely a need for new blood.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 11th Jul 17, 10:35 AM
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    You seem to have it well analysed. No orange order, and the Catholic Church is about to grind to a juddering halt as the numbers of priests collapse. Then what are we left with? Peace?
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 10:51 AM
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    You seem to have it well analysed. No orange order, and the Catholic Church is about to grind to a juddering halt as the numbers of priests collapse. Then what are we left with? Peace?
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    Do you believe the Orange are a problem?
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 11th Jul 17, 11:18 AM
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    Looks like Arlene is getting another boost this morning, now that Teresa's majority has been cut further by one of her mps getting the red card last night. What makes someone use foolish American civil war era terms like that?

    Any more nonsense and Nigel dodds will be offered a job in the cabinet.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 11th Jul 17, 11:18 AM
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    For a lodge to exist it needs five members. Too many people attend the Twelfth but don't realise what goes into making it happen and there is definitely a need for new blood.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    I was kind of being flippant with that, but i take your point.
    You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 11th Jul 17, 11:34 AM
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    I was kind of being flippant with that, but i take your point.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    I know but I do think we in the Orange need to get better at promoting our traditions especially at the Twelfth in order to ensure its survival.
    • Tammykitty
    • By Tammykitty 11th Jul 17, 11:36 AM
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    I have a 2 hour drive tomorrow to get to a funeral tomorrow morning and not looking forward it, will have to leave early to ensure we have time for all the diversions, and then 2 hours home again - won't be staying long after the funeral as want to get home again before any trouble kicks off.


    Also leaving work early tonight, as want to get home before the bonfires!
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    • Outsider_83
    • By Outsider_83 11th Jul 17, 11:46 AM
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    I got out this morning at 7 am, hugely relieved to be safe. Heartened to hear that marchers are declining.
    • RikM
    • By RikM 11th Jul 17, 12:02 PM
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    I have a 2 hour drive tomorrow to get to a funeral tomorrow morning and not looking forward it, will have to leave early to ensure we have time for all the diversions, and then 2 hours home again - won't be staying long after the funeral as want to get home again before any trouble kicks off.


    Also leaving work early tonight, as want to get home before the bonfires!
    Originally posted by Tammykitty
    Someone set the Carrick/Castkemara one off last night. I bet they're not well chuffed about that: 5 storeys of pallets they've been stacking for the last couple of months gone, just like that.
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