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    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 9th Jul 17, 12:53 AM
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    Timid poster, advice on technicalities and grace period
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    • 9th Jul 17, 12:53 AM
    Timid poster, advice on technicalities and grace period 9th Jul 17 at 12:53 AM
    Hi there new poster please be gentle,

    Writing this on behalf of my girlfriend who received a dressed up invoice through the post today, 100 quid reduced to 60 if paid in 14 days, for staying 3 hours and 11 minutes in a 3 hour car park

    I would have to say this is horribly unfair if the grace period is meant to be 10 minutes?

    I would also like to ask about technicalities, been trawling through all the articles and forum posts relating to this for the past hour and i Beleive the statement should say if within 28 days we have not received payment, however on our notice it says within 29 days, would that apply as a technicality?

    Many thanks would like to know abit more about those bits before proceeding to appeal

    David
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    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 9th Jul 17, 2:13 AM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 2:13 AM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 2:13 AM
    I would also like to ask about technicalities,

    been trawling through all the articles and forum posts relating to this for the past hour and i Beleive the statement should say if within 28 days we have not received payment, however on our notice it says within 29 days, would that apply as a technicality?
    Originally posted by Davidmwroe93
    Don't - these cowboys don't bother much with them.

    Non-compliant NTKs are not a technicality. Instead they are a very real fact of life when dealing with PPCs and should be used whenever they present themselves.

    Instead of reading volumes of stuff at random, you need to get stuck-in to the Newbies Sticky at the top of this forum and structure your appeal/challenge along the lines suggested within.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 9th Jul 17, 7:29 AM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 7:29 AM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 7:29 AM
    You need to read the BPA and IPC codes of practice. Tell us which PPC and we can say which to use.

    The IPC one reads
    15. Grace Periods
    15.1 Drivers should be allowed a sufficient amount of time to park and read any signs so they may make an informed decision as to whether or not to remain on the site.
    15.2 Drivers should be allowed a sufficient amount of time to leave a site after a pre-paid or permitted period of parking has expired.

    So you can argue for leeway at both ends.
    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 9th Jul 17, 3:28 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 3:28 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 3:28 PM
    They are a member of the BPA

    I'm going there after work to check signage etc take some photos if neccessary

    But can I still use that template but instead of mentioning signs talk about the grace period?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 9th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
    Use the template as it's written.

    It's tried and tested for ensuring that you get a popla code
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 9th Jul 17, 5:25 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 5:25 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 5:25 PM
    Each PPC deals with appeals differently. Some fold easile others fight to the bitter (court) end.

    it helps if we know the enemy.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
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    • #7
    • 9th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
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    • 9th Jul 17, 5:31 PM
    They are a member of the BPA

    I'm going there after work to check signage etc take some photos if neccessary

    But can I still use that template but instead of mentioning signs talk about the grace period?
    Originally posted by Davidmwroe93
    It's ParkingEye isn't it? 29 days is correct.

    But 11 minutes is not OK. No point going into that detail until POPLA stage, though.

    Complain to the landowner/retailer. Do that first. Loads are cancelled that way.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 10th Jul 17, 10:00 AM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 10:00 AM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 10:00 AM
    Ah sorry guys it's a company called premier park.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Jul 17, 5:41 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 5:41 PM
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    • 10th Jul 17, 5:41 PM
    No probs, still a BPA firm, and 11 minutes is within the Grace Period you will read about if you search this forum for 'eleven minutes'.

    Also, was the 3 hours free, or was 3 hours paid for, and the 11 minutes is either side of paying? If so, how long before paying and how long after expiry of the ticket.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 10th Jul 17, 8:09 PM
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    It's 3 hours free parking, no payment taken, entered at 09:50 left at 13:02 duration is classed as 3:11
    • Redx
    • By Redx 10th Jul 17, 8:16 PM
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    so clause #13 of the BPA CoP applies , never mind anything else

    have you read it ?

    add this as an extra paragraph to the blue text appeal

    and complain to the landholder too
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 23rd Jul 17, 2:55 PM
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    Sent as instructed this is the reply

    Dear Miss Turner,



    Re: Parking Charge Notice 7014080



    We write to acknowledge receipt of your recent online appeal, on behalf of the driver, appealing against the issuing of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) to the vehicle.



    We note your comments and must refer you to the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4 - Recovery of unpaid Parking Charges. This is available to view online at:

    legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4



    We must therefore request that the details of the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention are supplied; this must include their full name and serviceable UK postal address. If you are unwilling or unable to provide these details the registered keeper of this vehicle will remain liable for this PCN. This information should be provided by 9th August 2017. Please note, Premier Park Limited will not reply to any correspondence until after the above date, if the requested information is not provided.



    If we do not receive this information by the date given, the registered keeper of the vehicle at the date of event will be held liable.



    If you would like to view our photographic evidence, please visit .pcnpayment


    Please respond by return or by filling in the Transfer of Liability form on the reverse of the PCN and posting it to Premier Park, PO Box 624, Exeter, EX1 9JG.





    Yours Sincerely,

    cid:image001.png@01D15F47.91CA8360



    The Appeals Team

    Premier Park Ltd


    Don't see a popla code? What's the next step
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 23rd Jul 17, 2:57 PM
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    Await your popla code
    • Davidmwroe93
    • By Davidmwroe93 23rd Jul 17, 3:05 PM
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    Will it be sent by post then?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 23rd Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    Yes, as per all other PP cases you care to read, they do this all the time.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 23rd Jul 17, 5:13 PM
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    But your POPLA appeal will be based on Grace in the BPA CoP
    http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS_Code_of_Practice_October_2015_update_V6..pdf

    13.4 You should allow the driver a reasonable period to leave the
    private car park after the parking contract has ended, before
    you take enforcement action. If the location is one where
    parking is normally permitted, the Grace Period at the end
    of the parking period should be a minimum of 10 minutes.


    plus the magic words from their annual report.

    http://www.popla.co.uk/docs/default-source/default-document-library/popla-annual-report-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

    In an ANPR controlled car park where no statement on the signs indicates that the parking period begins on entry to the car park, as opposed to when a vehicle parks, we may discount (meaning ignore) the amount of time between entry and parking when calculating the grace period at the end
    of the contract. This is because the average motorist would assume that a period of parking begins when they park the vehicle, and not when they enter the car park.


    So simply base your appeal around that - the POPLA annual report words for the time to be allowed prior to parking and the BPA words for the end of parking. But keep it simple and straight to the point saying that they must allow a minimum of 10 minutes grace at the end by their own trade association and that 1 extra minute to find a space and park is well within the POPLA guidelines as well, as long as their signage does not state that the clock starts when you enter the car parking area.
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