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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 8th Jul 17, 11:43 PM
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    About to rent my property, barking dog issue.
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    • 8th Jul 17, 11:43 PM
    About to rent my property, barking dog issue. 8th Jul 17 at 11:43 PM
    So I've had a barking dog issue, the neighboring dogs bark incessantly from 8am to 11pm. Last night I went over and knocked on the door, the owner took offense to me pointing out it was 11pm and I couldn't sleep.

    I'm in a position where I could move quickly if I wanted to, and weighing up whether if I should fight this or simply move. If |I fight, I get the impression that its going to be a long one. But
    if I sell I have to declare the noisy dogs anyway, so then perhaps I might as well fight it.

    Having to declare a problem with neighbors that's resolved would probably not affect the price so much, whereas noisy dogs/an existing potential problem can potentially slash the cost of your property.

    I was going to rent for a year, but would want my tenants to be comfortable. A barking dog isn't my idea of comfort. So, if I rent I'd also have to take action against the dog owners now. And then I have to wait for it to be rectified before renting, and I don't know how long that would take.

    So a selfish dog owner has potentially affected my chances of renting in the near future, which could cost me hundreds of pounds. As well as the stress of not being able to enjoy my home as I would like.

    I was going to put a formal letter through the door tonight, but am pausing to think first. I wouldn't want tenants or future buyers to go through what I'm going through, so I should take action. However, once it gets formal, your property loses value.

    The fact that one careless dog owner can cause you such misery and potential financial loss is a terrible
    thing.

    Any thoughts and advice appreciated.
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    • gld73
    • By gld73 9th Jul 17, 6:57 PM
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    If I viewed a house to rent or buy and there was a dog barking all the time, it would rule out the property for me. Much as I like dogs, I work shifts and sleeping during the day is hard enough as it is without noise like that.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 9th Jul 17, 9:10 PM
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    Could anyone comment on the effect on property value of a barking dog, or having had to go to the council to complain of one?
    Originally posted by PhilE
    Councils won't all have identical policies, but if a complaint is made to mine, lets say about barking dogs ( or rubbish being put out on the wrong day, or loud parties) the standard procedure is to send a letter to every house in the immediate area saying a recurrent problem with whatever it is has been reported and the situation is being monitored.

    Even the complainant will get this letter, so everyone's treated the same.

    Sometimes the official letter is enough and the unwanted behaviour stops. If it doesn't, the offending person(s) will get a visit from the relevant officer: i.e. the dog warden for barking.

    Further monitoring by whoever began the complaint follows, and there are a couple more levels of escalation if the problem persists. For noise, that would include measuring and recording it.

    The final step, when all else has failed, would be prosecution, but that's costly, so councils are reluctant to do it. However, if much evidence has been collected, there would be nothing to stop a member of the public taking out a private prosecution.

    So, as I said, it's not always a quick process.
    'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in.'
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 9th Jul 17, 10:36 PM
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    My sympathies OP and hope you manage to resolve it. I get annoyed enough that I've got a similar "antisocial" near me and their dog just barks intermittently and has continued to be allowed to do so (despite my pointing out to them that quite a few houses nearby can hear this besides myself). So very frustrating - even if the barking is infrequent enough that I just resort to saying "Chav" or the like rather loudly in my garden when they let it start up again.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Sorry, but, it seems as though you think it's reasonable to expect that a dog would never bark, if even infrequent barking makes you start calling them rude names?

    Dogs do bark sometimes, that's partly why we domesticated them, they are a burglar alarm and general early warning system!
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 9th Jul 17, 10:43 PM
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    Dogs do bark sometimes, that's partly why we domesticated them, they are a burglar alarm and general early warning system!
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    But would they bark all day?
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jul 17, 7:23 AM
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    Sorry, but, it seems as though you think it's reasonable to expect that a dog would never bark, if even infrequent barking makes you start calling them rude names?

    Dogs do bark sometimes, that's partly why we domesticated them, they are a burglar alarm and general early warning system!
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    What I meant was that one might - very occasionally - hear a dog "wwoofing" once or twice and then it stops. The chav neighbour I have lets their dog bark for minutes at a time and it happens several times a week. That isnt "normal behaviour" or acceptable - though, obviously, some people (eg OP) are getting it a sight worse.

    But it is still unacceptable behaviour for a dog to be barking for, say, 10 minutes and then maybe start up again some hours later and have another 10 minutes worth.

    Part of the problem with intermittent barking is one can't rely on quiet when that is happening. You think, for instance, "Right - I'll have a quiet read of my book". The dog interrupts and barks for some minutes and you give up trying to read and get on reluctantly with something else instead whilst you wait for the barking to stop. You decide it's safe to get back to reading (as the dog has stopped) and then it starts up again and it's "rinse and repeat" and you can't rely on getting on with what you've decided to in your own home.

    To me - it's an odd concept to regard having a dog as a living "burglar alarm". All the dogs I've known (including the most closely-known - ie my parents) were never thought of for one second as "burglar alarms". They were pets and part of the family.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 10-07-2017 at 7:25 AM.
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    • adamsNancy
    • By adamsNancy 10th Jul 17, 8:42 AM
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    I agree gld having a barking dog nextdoors would degrade the price of your room.
    • Caroline_a
    • By Caroline_a 10th Jul 17, 9:07 AM
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    Is the dog inside or outside; if its outside you could give it a bone, to keep it quiet for a few minutes.
    Try to solve the issue yourself? Calling the RSPCA is good.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Seriously bad idea. What happens if the dog chokes on the bone? Or is made ill by it? By giving the dog a 'treat' you are rewarding the barking, so will probably make it worse!

    My dogs both have huge barks, but rarely do - the GSD will woof if a pigeon dares to fly within his airspace, but apart from that they're pretty quiet, so if they do bark at night I always get up to see what's happening as it's really unusual. However, my neighbours' dog which is treated like a baby will yap and howl for up to 4 hours if left! I'm sort of used to it now and the walls are thick so can't hear it over the sound of my tv if I turn it up a little...
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Jul 17, 11:41 AM
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    What I meant was that one might - very occasionally - hear a dog "wwoofing" once or twice and then it stops. The chav neighbour I have lets their dog bark for minutes at a time and it happens several times a week. That isnt "normal behaviour" or acceptable - though, obviously, some people (eg OP) are getting it a sight worse.

    But it is still unacceptable behaviour for a dog to be barking for, say, 10 minutes and then maybe start up again some hours later and have another 10 minutes worth.

    Part of the problem with intermittent barking is one can't rely on quiet when that is happening. You think, for instance, "Right - I'll have a quiet read of my book". The dog interrupts and barks for some minutes and you give up trying to read and get on reluctantly with something else instead whilst you wait for the barking to stop. You decide it's safe to get back to reading (as the dog has stopped) and then it starts up again and it's "rinse and repeat" and you can't rely on getting on with what you've decided to in your own home.

    To me - it's an odd concept to regard having a dog as a living "burglar alarm". All the dogs I've known (including the most closely-known - ie my parents) were never thought of for one second as "burglar alarms". They were pets and part of the family.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    A few minutes barking several times a week?

    I'm sorry but I think you have unrealistic expectations if you think that makes them 'chavs' and antisocial, and I think its far more antisocial of you to be shouting' chav' at them over the fence!

    Nobody who lives near other people, or roads, or animals, can 'rely on quiet'. The police helicopter was over here late last night, alarms go off, people talk to each other, kids laugh and cry, dogs bark, cars go past, doors slam, emergency vehicles have their sirens on, people play music, or practice musical instruments, my next door neighbour is currently very very poorly and shouts a lot. If you want to be able to 'rely on quiet' you have to go and live somewhere isolated.

    Of course dogs are pets first and foremost, but they are also fantastic at warning you if something is awry in your home, and that's not a trait that should be trained out imo.
    • mgarl10024
    • By mgarl10024 10th Jul 17, 11:47 AM
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    When I moved, I let out my old house. In the last year before moving out, next door's aging dog had sight issues and would panic and bark endlessly. I was/am on good terms with the neighbour and mentioned the issue and that I was concerned about the barking and the future impact on tenants, and she agreed to do what she could (although there wasn't much she could do). She did then say "well, [the dog] is quite old - she wont go on forever" - which I took exception to - it was as if she was saying that we should just let the dog keep going until it croaks, whenever that may be.

    Fortunately, she managed to keep the dog quiet, and the tenants were dog lovers, so it all worked out well.

    I often reflect on that comment though. Imagine if I let the property out to a guy who was in a rock band and who liked having a drum kit in the adjoining bedroom, and when she complained to me I said "well, he wont be there forever".
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Jul 17, 12:01 PM
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    She did then say "well, [the dog] is quite old - she wont go on forever" - which I took exception to - it was as if she was saying that we should just let the dog keep going until it croaks, whenever that may be.
    Originally posted by mgarl10024
    I do think though that we all need to show a bit of understanding and 'live and let live' when we have to exist in close quarters.

    A dog that barks a bit more than it used to because its senile and blind is very sad, if that was my neighbour I would just put up with it, I wouldn't be making demands or thinking that I had a right to never hear a dog bark!

    When people are wilfully inconsiderate or malicious, that's different, but some stuff is just life and we should be more tolerant. As I said, my poorly next door neighbour shouts a lot now, at all times of day and night. It does disturb me sometimes but what on earth kind of person would I be if I had a problem with it?
    • mgarl10024
    • By mgarl10024 10th Jul 17, 12:12 PM
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    A dog that barks a bit more than it used to because its senile and blind is very sad
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    I agree. As with everything in life, there is a balance.

    This dog went from nothing to constant and late-night barking, so I wanted her to at least try everything she could.
    As it happens, with a few small alterations (some curtains and moving the dog bed I think) the dog was much happier and the barking stopped.

    I don't have an expectation to never hear a bark. However, if there is a major problem I do have an expectation that the owner will attempt to fix the problem before asking us all to wait for nature to take its course (!).

    Just like I suppose, she would expect me to tackle an inconsiderate noisy tenant without shrugging and waiting until the tenant decides to move out of their own volition.
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 10th Jul 17, 12:15 PM
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    A few minutes barking several times a week?

    I'm sorry but I think you have unrealistic expectations if you think that makes them 'chavs' and antisocial, and I think its far more antisocial of you to be shouting' chav' at them over the fence!

    Nobody who lives near other people, or roads, or animals, can 'rely on quiet'. The police helicopter was over here late last night, alarms go off, people talk to each other, kids laugh and cry, dogs bark, cars go past, doors slam, emergency vehicles have their sirens on, people play music, or practice musical instruments, my next door neighbour is currently very very poorly and shouts a lot. If you want to be able to 'rely on quiet' you have to go and live somewhere isolated.

    Of course dogs are pets first and foremost, but they are also fantastic at warning you if something is awry in your home, and that's not a trait that should be trained out imo.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel

    So if a neighbor turned the volume of a stereo up at full blast say 8 times per hour in 2 minute bursts would you be ok with that? No. Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't like to have relax in your garden at the end of a working day in summer, without an incredibly loud noise going off every few minutes?

    Why would it be bad with a stereo but ok because its a dog? Why do you think there are laws for such things?

    Its unwarranted and anti social. A dog owner is allowing his/her dog to make unnecessary noise. Just because its the owners pride and joy doesn't make it an excuse, no more than the stereo. It might be the owners beloved, but to others the noise is obviously a disturbance.

    This is an obvious fact which has to be pointed out to irresponsible owners time and time again. By all means love your pet and have a dog, but that shouldn't be at the expense of others.

    And barking dogs can ruin peoples lives. They affect work, sleep, they affect children's performances at school.
    If you'd ruin another persons life because you want the luxury of a barking dog, if you'd knowingly disturb a kids sleep, your unfit for society as far as I'm concerned. Once again, there are laws against this for a reason. A judge might not see your dog as your beloved and the neighbors can go to hell.


    As for the old burglar alarm theory, what if the burglar alarm went of 3 times per hour for no reason? What if it was preventing you from sleeping, and the first thing you heard in the morning? Would that serve as an active deterrent or would a neighbor think, 'its just the dog barking, nothing new.'

    And some neighbors might thing, 'well they've made my life hell with their dog, why should I help them?' If you decide to be a bad neighbor, don't go expecting help from someone who could have been a good neighbor, if you'd treated them right.

    And allowing a dog to bark incessantly is being a bad neighbor.
    Last edited by PhilE; 11-07-2017 at 10:34 AM.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Jul 17, 12:20 PM
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    So if a neighbor turned the volume up at full blast say 8 times per hour in 2 minute bursts would you be ok with that?
    Originally posted by PhilE
    How is that equivalent to 'a few minutes several times a week' which is what the other poster objected to?

    Answer that and then I'll bother reading the rest of your post.
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 10th Jul 17, 1:25 PM
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    How is that equivalent to 'a few minutes several times a week' which is what the other poster objected to?

    Answer that and then I'll bother reading the rest of your post.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    Doesn't matter about the exact timings as you well know.

    When is disturbing neighbors unnecessarily ever ok? Why is it so hard to quite simply be respectful to other people? Ask yourself that.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Jul 17, 1:27 PM
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    Doesn't matter about the exact timings as you well know.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    Well if you can't see a difference between a deliberate loud noise 8 times every hour hour for 2 minutes at a time, and a noise that is natural and part of living in a populated area for 'a few minutes several times a week' then I don't see any point trying to discuss the issue sensibly.
    • pinkpiglit
    • By pinkpiglit 10th Jul 17, 1:35 PM
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    I fully agree with you about how annoying and upsetting the barking can be. I grew up on a working farm where dogs did not bark unless they were instructed to bark.

    We live opposite a block of flats which has a jack russell terrier in one of the ground floor flats. As far as I can tell, the owner (a delightful unemployed older gentleman who regularly hangs his naked beer belly out the window to talk to neighbours and take deliveries of goodness knows what) does not take the dog for walks.

    During summer his window is open for most of the day, and whenever anyone walks in the vicinity of the property the dog can be found standing with front paws on the open window sill barking madly.Sometimes it’s for a minute or two, sometimes for an hour.Usually starts up around 9am and last lot of barking is usually around 9pm when he shuts the window.Yes, you could say that the dog is just “guarding” its territory, but in reality its bored and barking at whatever the hell takes its fancy.The owner never bothers to stop it.

    Things nearly came to a head two weeks ago when, during the really hot weather, their lounge window was still open and the dog started up at 1am!!In the dead still of night the sound was even worse.It went on for about 10 minutes before I got out of bed and screamed out our window that if he didn’t shut the dog up then I would come over and shut it up for him.Their window was promptly shut.

    So yes, I fully understand your pain. (My OH however isn’t really bothered and thinks I am too sensitive!)
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jul 17, 2:48 PM
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    Doesn't matter about the exact timings as you well know.

    When is disturbing neighbors unnecessarily ever ok? Why is it so hard to quite simply be respectful to other people? Ask yourself that.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    Quite....

    Being more exact on chav dog near me and it happens many days and several times a day. Part of the problem is knowing it's not possible to rely on "peace and quiet" in one's own home.

    I don't think there can be that many homes that get bothered by a barking dog scenario imo - because I'm old enough by now (ie in my 60s) to have had a variety of homes (both as a child and then as an adult with a home in my own right) and can count on one hand the number of "barking dog episodes" before moving to current home. One would assume that a person that had had over 60 years of life in a variety of homes would be aware by now if "barking dog noise" was a commonplace occurrence or no and, in my experience, it isn't. I can't recall ever noticing barking dogs in any of my friends/relatives homes over the years either.

    So I know (from my own personal experience) that most neighbours don't cause this sort of problem to happen.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 10-07-2017 at 2:51 PM.
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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 11th Jul 17, 10:32 AM
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    Well if you can't see a difference between a deliberate loud noise 8 times every hour hour for 2 minutes at a time, and a noise that is natural and part of living in a populated area for 'a few minutes several times a week' then I don't see any point trying to discuss the issue sensibly.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    Tell you what, I'll set up a 'burglar alarm,' to go off incessantly between 8am and 11 pm, 7 days per week. If you politely ask me to turn the 'alarm,' off I'll get all offended and keep the alarm on anyway. Then you'll understand what its like to love next to a barking dog and irresponsible owner.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 11th Jul 17, 10:34 PM
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    Tell you what, I'll set up a 'burglar alarm,' to go off incessantly between 8am and 11 pm, 7 days per week. If you politely ask me to turn the 'alarm,' off I'll get all offended and keep the alarm on anyway. Then you'll understand what its like to love next to a barking dog and irresponsible owner.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    That has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted in response to 'moneyistooshorttomention'.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 11th Jul 17, 10:40 PM
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    The chav neighbour I have lets their dog bark for minutes at a time and it happens several times a week.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention

    Being more exact on chav dog near me and it happens many days and several times a day.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    So which is actually true?
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