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    • 1trainer1
    • By 1trainer1 7th Jul 17, 7:53 PM
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    Canada Vs New Zealand
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    Canada Vs New Zealand 7th Jul 17 at 7:53 PM
    for our 2018 big holiday we are thinking either 3 weeks in Canada or New Zealand and was wondering what are the pro's and con's for both.

    We are going to be going with our 4 year old daughter so want something that can interest her and was thinking of hiring a camper van and driving to see as much of the country as we can
    Blessed on 18th February at 0814 with little Sarah xxx
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    • WAYT
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    There is an easy answer and that all depends on when you intend to go.
    If in our winter, New Zealand. If in our Summer, Canada.

    But overall I would say New Zealand, as it is weird and wonderful. Plus three weeks isn't that much and Canada is huge.
    Lastly, New Zealand is so far away, that it is less likely that you would go there again soon. Whereas one can pop over to Canada much more easily.
    So, New Zealand. But it isn't cheap.
    • Alan Bowen
    • By Alan Bowen 8th Jul 17, 8:29 AM
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    I would suggest Canada as the flight to NZ is 24 hours plus which is a very long time for a 4 year old who may well not appreciate all that NZ may have to offer.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 8th Jul 17, 8:53 AM
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    Both replies make very good points. I'd probably edge toward's Alan's choice of Canada, but there is no way you can (or should) see much of the country in 3 weeks so I'd concentrate on one part, either the West - Vancouver, Vancouver Island, up the coast, parts of the Rockies - or the East - Toronto/Montreal/Quebec City or Nova Scotia/Newfoundland/PEI depending on what you want to see.
    • blindman
    • By blindman 8th Jul 17, 3:03 PM
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    To me it's a no brainier with 3 weeks

    Canada.

    NZ is too far for only 3 weeks IMHO.

    Your 4 year old may not appreciate 3 weeks in a camper van at either place.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 8th Jul 17, 3:36 PM
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    Your 4 year old may not appreciate 3 weeks in a camper van at either place.
    Originally posted by blindman
    I'd have loved it at that age.
    • daveyjp
    • By daveyjp 8th Jul 17, 3:49 PM
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    Two weeks in western Canada with an Alaskan cruise for week three.
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    To me it's a no brainier with 3 weeks

    Canada.

    NZ is too far for only 3 weeks IMHO.

    Your 4 year old may not appreciate 3 weeks in a camper van at either place.
    Originally posted by blindman
    I went to New Zealand for three weeks.
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    Whichever you decide you will have an AMAZING time! We had this dilemma too and chose Canada simply due to travel time. We had 3 weeks to fit our holiday into and flights to Vancouver were just under 10 hours compared to NZ being 24 hours travel minimum...I would love to go to NZ one day though...

    Canada is an amazing country, awe inspiring landscapes and self drive is a doddle and the freedom it gives you is unrivalled, I wouldn't have liked to have been on a coach tour as the inlaws did as they only got glimpses before moving on again, whereas we found places to explore more off the beaten track.

    The Vancouver to Calgary route is really something else - we ended up going twice!! The first trip we did Vancouver, Whistler - use BC 99 Duffy lake road and head up to Jasper via Clearwater- the scenery is just stunning = it's literally wow at every bend!

    I cannot recommend Canada enough, it's friendly people, stunning landscapes and so much to do, it's expensive but for a special holiday I would say just go for it!
    • dawyldthing
    • By dawyldthing 10th Jul 17, 10:54 PM
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    It depends what you want to see and do really.

    New Zealand has everything to do at Queenstown, swimming with dolphins at kaikoura I think it was, hot water beach where the waters hot under the sand and many other things inbetween

    Canada - only done the east side but there's whale watching in todussac, Quebec City and Montreal are really cool, lots of canoeing and outdoor things to do (same with both really).

    I weren't that struck on New Zealand but I think i was spoilt by australia so would have appreciated it more doing it on its own
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    • 1trainer1
    • By 1trainer1 11th Jul 17, 10:35 AM
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    Thanks Everyone
    Would Love to do Both as our daughter is going to start school in September 2018 so know once school starts the only time of doing trips like this will be in school holidays which will be very expensive.

    We are edging more towards New Zealand as we know if we go we are only going to go once whereas Canada we feel we could go a few times due to how close it is.

    we are still debating as we may even do both next year.
    Blessed on 18th February at 0814 with little Sarah xxx
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 11th Jul 17, 11:10 AM
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    Would Love to do Both as our daughter is going to start school in September 2018 so know once school starts the only time of doing trips like this will be in school holidays which will be very expensive.

    We are edging more towards New Zealand as we know if we go we are only going to go once whereas Canada we feel we could go a few times due to how close it is.

    we are still debating as we may even do both next year.
    Originally posted by 1trainer1
    Well we're going to NZ for 2.5 weeks so I can report back if you like - though we aren't going until December (if you can wait that long!)
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    • 1trainer1
    • By 1trainer1 11th Jul 17, 11:27 AM
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    Well we're going to NZ for 2.5 weeks so I can report back if you like - though we aren't going until December (if you can wait that long!)
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    Please do and i'm sure you can give me some tips on where to go, Have you prebooked anything?

    We are going to book flights and probably a campervan and then leave everything till we get there.
    Blessed on 18th February at 0814 with little Sarah xxx
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 11th Jul 17, 12:42 PM
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    Please do and i'm sure you can give me some tips on where to go, Have you prebooked anything?

    We are going to book flights and probably a campervan and then leave everything till we get there.
    Originally posted by 1trainer1
    As I wrote before, make sure you travel in the season most suited to your personality. I don't like the cold and since you are going to spend a fair bit of time outdoors, perhaps you won't either.
    New Zealand is actually really weird. On the one hand the sun will be burning your skin through the window, but wind the window down or step out of the car and a freezing wind can hit you. But then you can jump half naked in a natural hot spring.

    Honestly, three weeks isn't nearly enough. We rented a 4x4 but utilised Airbnb instead of a camper van. In that time we didn't even cover half of the North Island.
    Though perhaps you'll just keep moving when in a camper van.
    We travelled late November, early December. December to Feb would seem to be a good time to visit.
    http://www.newzealand.com/in/feature/new-zealand-climate-and-weather/
    • zagfles
    • By zagfles 11th Jul 17, 1:19 PM
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    Would Love to do Both as our daughter is going to start school in September 2018 so know once school starts the only time of doing trips like this will be in school holidays which will be very expensive.

    We are edging more towards New Zealand as we know if we go we are only going to go once whereas Canada we feel we could go a few times due to how close it is.

    we are still debating as we may even do both next year.
    Originally posted by 1trainer1
    It's not necessarily expensive in the school holidays, it depends when the local peak season is. We went to NZ in August and it was cheap, accomodation and eating out were a lot cheaper then here. Typically around £50-60 for a 2 bed motel room for 4 people and eating out generally around £50 for 4.

    We spent a lot because we did expensive stuff like adventure sports but presume you won't be doing that with a 4 year old!

    Weather wasn't bad either, we only went to the north island and in Northlands it was better weather, warmer and sunnier, than it is here in Manchester today! OK that may not be saying much Friends of ours went over new year and had non stop rain.

    Loads to see and do, the thermal baths, geothermal parks and glowworm caves would probably interest a young child.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 11th Jul 17, 1:28 PM
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    Please do and i'm sure you can give me some tips on where to go, Have you prebooked anything?

    We are going to book flights and probably a campervan and then leave everything till we get there.
    Originally posted by 1trainer1


    will do though I'm not sure my advice will be of any use as we're actually flying to Sydney and going on a cruise around NZ.


    We did initially think of doing what you're doing but when we priced up the campervan it was horrendously expensive so doing it this way seemed to be the more cost effective way of doing it, especially as everywhere that we probably wanted to go was a port of call anyway


    Perhaps the cost of hiring the van will be the determining factor?
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    • dondo
    • By dondo 12th Jul 17, 11:21 AM
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    We did 3 weeks in NZ in 2015 with our 2 kids who were 8 and 6 and the time and really enjoyed it. Our whole trip was 3.5 weeks as we stopped off at Singapore there and back. Can highly recommend both Singapore airlines and Singapore as a stop off point. If time is tight you can always just spend a bit of time in a transit hotel at the airport between flights.

    We did a pretty whistle-stop tour of the South Island- just over a week before spending a bit more time on the North Island as we had more family to visit there.

    As others have said it is their winter so felt a bit weird packing warm clothes for a summer holiday! But it was a truly fantastic holiday.

    One thing I would say though is maybe reconsider the campervan idea.

    We did think about that but it was quite expensive to hire one and they now add an environmental tax onto the hire based on the number of miles you do. We hired a car and stayed in motels if we weren't staying with family. Motels are plentiful and reasonably priced and more often will mean a separate room for your child.
    • richardw
    • By richardw 12th Jul 17, 11:36 AM
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    New Zealand has a good number of internal domestic flights, so utilise these to save time driving big distances http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/destinations/new-zealand
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 12th Jul 17, 11:50 AM
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    Me and the cook did a month in a campervan in NZ in November 2003.

    Hired the van privately to help keep costs down.

    Started in Auckland, taking a week to get down to Wellington for the ferry across to Picton.

    Two weeks on South Island, got as far south as Queenstown.

    Final week back on North Island.

    I did all the driving, which was a negative for me.

    I hadn't factored in that NZ local councils are fairly insistent that you use a camp site overnight, and the cost soon builds up.
    • 1trainer1
    • By 1trainer1 18th Jul 17, 3:29 PM
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    No More Campervan
    After speaking to a few people we have decided against the campervan idea due to costs of campsite's.

    We have now decided on driving a car and with both of us driving we can share the driving and we will look at staying in motels.

    It is now also going to be early march so we will start looking at flights and then look at hotel or motel passes as if we can get hotels/ motels for about £70 a night on average we will have done well.
    Blessed on 18th February at 0814 with little Sarah xxx
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