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    • CLDM98
    • By CLDM98 6th Jul 17, 9:04 PM
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    Used Car Faults
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    • 6th Jul 17, 9:04 PM
    Used Car Faults 6th Jul 17 at 9:04 PM
    Hi,
    I bought a used Ford Fiesta 07 plate Zetec Climate about a week ago. Thought it best to have a check done on it at my local garage to make sure all in working order. They turned up a number of issues most of which were minor, the serious problem was there appeared to be a small brake fluid leak around a clip, which the garage have tightened and it seems to have stopped. The other issue is that the aircon isn't working. The car was advertised as having aircon and didn't mention any faults. Just wondering what to do next, was quoted £50 to regas aircon and put in dye to check for leaks but have had no work done yet. Car is supposed to have three month warranty.
    Thanks
    Last edited by CLDM98; 06-07-2017 at 9:33 PM.
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 6th Jul 17, 10:28 PM
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    Go on, if i must i will bite...

    It does have aircon. Just non working aircon. Did the advert state ice cold fully working aircon?
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    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 6th Jul 17, 10:42 PM
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    Ten year old car with non working aircon? Get it down to somewhere that will do a vacuum test and re-gas if it's not leaking but won't charge you if there's a leak. If there is a leak, then you might go back to the seller to explain that you've found a fault.
    • treboeth
    • By treboeth 6th Jul 17, 10:48 PM
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    Maybe next time you buy a car do all your checks before buying.

    Also how much did it cost, trim level, mileage etc.
    • chrisw
    • By chrisw 6th Jul 17, 10:48 PM
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    • 6th Jul 17, 10:48 PM
    Have you tried going back to the seller and telling them the air con doesn't work?

    That should be your first port of call and then you can decide what to do next based upon their answer.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 7th Jul 17, 7:58 AM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 7:58 AM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 7:58 AM
    Go on, if i must i will bite...

    It does have aircon. Just non working aircon. Did the advert state ice cold fully working aircon?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname

    Car most likely didn't say fully inflated legal tyres either but you don't expect them to be flat or running on cord.

    If it's advertised as having air conditioning then a reasonable expects to be able to use the feature. If it doesn't work it shouldn't be advertised as having such.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 7th Jul 17, 5:35 PM
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    Car most likely didn't say fully inflated legal tyres either but you don't expect them to be flat or running on cord.

    If it's advertised as having air conditioning then a reasonable expects to be able to use the feature. If it doesn't work it shouldn't be advertised as having such.
    Originally posted by arcon5
    Depends on the price paid. Ive bought cars with no wheels. Wheels having been worth more than the car (blown engine) the seller sold them and just wanted the car gone. I had an engine for the car and stuck some wheels one and trailered it away.

    As for bald / legal tyres thats for the buyer to check.

    If you get a pressure gauge out and check the tyres on cars being sold i recking you will find a fair few with barely legal tyres and more than you think with pressures as high as the max pressure on the tyre sidewall.

    Quite a few think that 65PSI stamped on the side of the tyre is the normal pressure.
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    • bobbymotors
    • By bobbymotors 7th Jul 17, 6:13 PM
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    When I was selling cars, if we had an older car with non working aircon that had a more costly problem than a simple regas then I would deliberately not mention it in the advert.

    Then if a month later the customer called and said the aircon didn't work I would say that I never even knew it had aircon, and never advertised it as so.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 7th Jul 17, 11:07 PM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 11:07 PM
    Maybe next time you buy a car do all your checks before buying.

    Also how much did it cost, trim level, mileage etc.
    Originally posted by treboeth
    The OP has put trim level helpfully in his ummm OP. Zetec Climate. Zetec is the trim level obviously the climate bit is likely a reference to a special edition that included free climate control.

    I'm in the school of thought that if the ad mentioned air con, I would expect it to be functioning as the ad is using air con as a selling point.
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 8th Jul 17, 2:15 AM
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    was quoted £50 to regas aircon and put in dye to check for leaks but have had no work done yet.
    Better to get the seller to do that, so they can't blame anyone for a bad repair. Aircon is something many people can live without, so it could have been broken for years. Depending on what is wrong, fixing the A/C could cost more than the car is worth ; but although the garage could sell a non-aircon car, they shouldn't sell it to you.

    If the garage had any sense ( but no ethics ), they'd have waited 3 months, and hoped the buyer didn't notice the bad aircon for 4 months +
    That they didn't, suggests they didn't check it, rather than it was deliberate.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 8th Jul 17, 6:37 AM
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    Depends on the price paid. Ive bought cars with no wheels. Wheels having been worth more than the car (blown engine) the seller sold them and just wanted the car gone. I had an engine for the car and stuck some wheels one and trailered it away.

    As for bald / legal tyres thats for the buyer to check.

    If you get a pressure gauge out and check the tyres on cars being sold i recking you will find a fair few with barely legal tyres and more than you think with pressures as high as the max pressure on the tyre sidewall.

    Quite a few think that 65PSI stamped on the side of the tyre is the normal pressure.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    No.

    It's dependant on description

    Presumably a car with no wheel and a blown engine wasn't advertised as having 'excellent tread' or being a good runner for example
    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 8th Jul 17, 5:12 PM
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    When I was selling cars, if we had an older car with non working aircon that had a more costly problem than a simple regas then I would deliberately not mention it in the advert.

    Then if a month later the customer called and said the aircon didn't work I would say that I never even knew it had aircon, and never advertised it as so.
    Originally posted by bobbymotors
    I once sold cars too, as a Workshop foreman I would not have had a job for long with an attitude like that. I have also advertised cars with non-working Aircon, but have included the "non-working" part in the ad. On enquiry by a potential customer, I would have a price adjustment ready for a fix.

    Our trade was very much local and subject to local reputation.
    There may be more than one way to skin a cat.
    But the result is always inedible.

    • MrJones1
    • By MrJones1 8th Jul 17, 6:36 PM
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    The best option for you is to go back to the car dealer with the report of the aircon fault. The car should be in the condition described in the ad. The report tells otherwise. As the car is in the three month warranty period the dealer should solve the issue. In this case you have the upper hand.
    • sjw3915
    • By sjw3915 8th Jul 17, 7:04 PM
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    I have exactly the same problem with air con not working. Bought the car which is 6 years old a week ago. As far as I can see it's the seller's responsibility to point out any faults providing you haven't bought the car for something silly like 50 quid. This excludes things like dents or scratches which you can see before you buy. I'm looking at the Consumer Rights Act 2015 here. I think the distinction is that it doesn't matter if the car was advertised with air con or not- if it has air con built in the trader must highlight the fact it's not working. I believe from my understanding that you should give the trader a chance to fix it (one chance only) and then, if you want, fix it yourself and chase the trader for the money- perhaps as far as the small claims court although that would involve costs which you get back if you win.
    • sjw3915
    • By sjw3915 8th Jul 17, 7:10 PM
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    Warranty
    I have bought a second hand car which is 6 years old for market price.
    I have a warranty which seems pretty useless but my question is, if the car breaks down within 6 months can I claim under the Consumer Rights Act 2015? Is the trader responsible if the cambelt goes for instance?
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 8th Jul 17, 7:12 PM
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    I have exactly the same problem with air con not working. Bought the car which is 6 years old a week ago. As far as I can see it's the seller's responsibility to point out any faults providing you haven't bought the car for something silly like 50 quid. This excludes things like dents or scratches which you can see before you buy. I'm looking at the Consumer Rights Act 2015 here. I think the distinction is that it doesn't matter if the car was advertised with air con or not- if it has air con built in the trader must highlight the fact it's not working. I believe from my understanding that you should give the trader a chance to fix it (one chance only) and then, if you want, fix it yourself and chase the trader for the money- perhaps as far as the small claims court although that would involve costs which you get back if you win.
    Originally posted by sjw3915
    You could try all the facilities before completing the purchase.
    • MrJones1
    • By MrJones1 8th Jul 17, 7:28 PM
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    I agree with the above post. You should inspect the car before purchase. If you don't have the skills you should bring a mechanic with you. There are mechanics out there who could do a pre-purchase inspection of the car. Ask your local garage.
    • mollycat
    • By mollycat 8th Jul 17, 7:33 PM
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    I agree with the above post. You should inspect the car before purchase. If you don't have the skills you should bring a mechanic with you. There are mechanics out there who could do a pre-purchase inspection of the car. Ask your local garage.
    Originally posted by MrJones1
    I agree that if you are buying an old car for little money, (as I do), that will have a high chance of being a lemon, you either need to know what you are doing, or take someone with you who does.

    You don't need this to turn the aircon on and off though!
    • bobbymotors
    • By bobbymotors 8th Jul 17, 7:33 PM
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    I once sold cars too, as a Workshop foreman I would not have had a job for long with an attitude like that. I have also advertised cars with non-working Aircon, but have included the "non-working" part in the ad. On enquiry by a potential customer, I would have a price adjustment ready for a fix.

    Our trade was very much local and subject to local reputation.
    Originally posted by Robisere
    Well I sold 5000 cars in 12 years to many repeat customers.

    If the ad didn't say aircon, then there was no aircon.

    It worked for me: I don't see anything wrong in it - I absolutely did not misdescribe the car.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 8th Jul 17, 10:14 PM
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    I have exactly the same problem with air con not working. Bought the car which is 6 years old a week ago. As far as I can see it's the seller's responsibility to point out any faults providing you haven't bought the car for something silly like 50 quid. This excludes things like dents or scratches which you can see before you buy. I'm looking at the Consumer Rights Act 2015 here. I think the distinction is that it doesn't matter if the car was advertised with air con or not- if it has air con built in the trader must highlight the fact it's not working. I believe from my understanding that you should give the trader a chance to fix it (one chance only) and then, if you want, fix it yourself and chase the trader for the money- perhaps as far as the small claims court although that would involve costs which you get back if you win.
    Originally posted by sjw3915
    Unfortunately for you it's not as black and white as that.
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