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    • Stclaim
    • By Stclaim 5th Jul 17, 8:51 PM
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    Unemployed P60 and tax rebate
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    • 5th Jul 17, 8:51 PM
    Unemployed P60 and tax rebate 5th Jul 17 at 8:51 PM
    I have been unemployed for nearly a year now. Looking at my last wage slips from July last year, I had paid nearly £700 in tax.
    I have not yet had a P60 from the benefit office. If I had been employed the law states that I should have had a P60 by the end of may.
    Why haven't I had one from the benefit office?
    When am I likely to get my tax rebate if due it?
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    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 5th Jul 17, 9:10 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:10 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:10 PM
    What benefit are you receiving?
    Is it income or contribution based?
    Some income based benefits are not taxable.
    Have you contacted the DWP to ask them about your P60?
    Have you contacted HMRC?

    This may help:
    http://www.litrg.org.uk/tax-guides/tax-basics/how-do-i-claim-tax-back/how-do-i-claim-back-tax-i-have-overpaid-through-paye
    • McKneff
    • By McKneff 5th Jul 17, 9:20 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:20 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:20 PM
    Just ring hmrc, its easily sorted ovee the telephone.
    No one can make you feel inferior without your consent
    • Dazed and confused
    • By Dazed and confused 5th Jul 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:22 PM
    From your thread title and other comments I guess you are/were signing on for jobseekers allowance.

    If this is the case then DWP are responsible for making any tax refund due for 2016:17 tax year and should have done this (and provided a P60) by now.

    There are circumstances when DWP cannot do this, for example you didn't give DWP your P45, you did give DWP your P45 but they failed to act on it (other posters on MSE have experienced this) or you were on a non cumulative tax code with your previous employer.

    You should still have part 1A of your P45 - what does this show your income and tax paid to be?

    Did you actually pass your P45 onto DWP?

    Were you claiming jobseekers at the end of the tax year?
    Last edited by Dazed and confused; 05-07-2017 at 9:24 PM.
    • Stclaim
    • By Stclaim 6th Jul 17, 10:17 AM
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    • 6th Jul 17, 10:17 AM
    On universal credit
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    • 6th Jul 17, 10:17 AM
    I am receiving universal credit. I would have given the benefits people my p45.
    I was really wondering if the benefits people were in breach of the law by not providing my p60.
    My contact agent at the benefit office said he had not seen any p60's going out but would look into it.
    HMRC site just says to speak to benefits people.
    • Dazed and confused
    • By Dazed and confused 6th Jul 17, 10:27 AM
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    • 6th Jul 17, 10:27 AM
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    • 6th Jul 17, 10:27 AM
    According to gov.uk universal credit is not a taxable benefit so if you were claiming that at the end of the tax year surely DWP would not make any tax refund or provide you with a P60.

    Seems odd your DWP agent did not know this.

    Which bit of gov.uk are you looking at because I cannot find where it says to contact DWP if you aren't getting a taxable benefit.

    Have you located your P45 part 1A and checked the details on that yet?

    After your job ended did you claim jobseekers allowance before claiming universal credit?

    Is the only taxable income you received in 2016:17 tax year from the job you left last summer?
    Last edited by Dazed and confused; 06-07-2017 at 10:32 AM.
    • Stclaim
    • By Stclaim 7th Jul 17, 12:11 PM
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    • #7
    • 7th Jul 17, 12:11 PM
    Contacted hmrc
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    • 7th Jul 17, 12:11 PM
    Contacted hmrc, not as easy as it should be, the system assumes you are on self assessment etc.
    However, I am due a rebate. Cheque will be on its way, they couldn't pay direct to bank for some reason.
    DWP should have known what to do and they should have given me a P45 by now.

    Thanks for all the help
    • Dazed and confused
    • By Dazed and confused 7th Jul 17, 8:18 PM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 8:18 PM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 8:18 PM
    If DWP should have given you a P45 then you haven't told us the whole story and must be getting a taxable benefit of some sort i.e. jobseekers allowance or employment and support allowance.

    HMRC have never paid personal tax refunds direct into bank accounts unless you are in the self assessment system.

    But you should have been sent a caclulation which would include an invite for you to go onto your personal tax account (gov.uk) and give your bank details and you can claim the money which then goes direct into your account. A HMRC person posted a long explanation about this on the MSE Cutting Tax board.

    Sadly it seems you are going to have to wait for a cheque, pass it onto your bank and then wait for it to clear with them before getting access to the funds but at least you've got the ball rolling even if is going to take somewhat longer to get your hands on the money than it should do!
    Last edited by Dazed and confused; 07-07-2017 at 8:25 PM.
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 7th Jul 17, 9:53 PM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 9:53 PM
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    • 7th Jul 17, 9:53 PM
    HMRC have never paid personal tax refunds direct into bank accounts unless you are in the self assessment system.
    Originally posted by Dazed and confused
    They do now - I've come to this thread too late for the OP, but for others in a similar position - HMRC have now made available personal tax accounts that you can register for via the Government Gateway.
    https://www.gov.uk/personal-tax-account


    If you have such account you can sign in to see if you are due a tax rebate for the previous year and if you are can nominate a bank account for it to be paid into (my rebate arrived in my bank account yesterday)

    You can also check your NI records
    • Dazed and confused
    • By Dazed and confused 8th Jul 17, 8:10 AM
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    That is what I meant, albeit looking back at my post, not put in a very clear way.

    HMRC do not themselves start by sending the payment direct to a bank, you get the invite, on your P800 calculation, to provide your bank details on your personal tax account and if you do that then payment is sent to your bank.

    If you request payment to a bank upfront HMRC will send a cheque to the bank, or they'd send you a calculation so you can input the bank details yourself, in short they never directly send the payment to the bank themselves without you having keyed in the bank account details yourself on your personal tax account.

    Cannot find the thread now, was a few weeks ago, but it was explained in detail by dori2o in their thread on the cutting tax board. Maybe it's done that way so there can be no dispute about money being sent to the wrong account as HMRC themselves never input that data?
    Last edited by Dazed and confused; 08-07-2017 at 8:16 AM.
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