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    • 30ismorethan171991haha
    • By 30ismorethan171991haha 22nd Jun 17, 1:37 AM
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    Universal JObmatch
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    • 22nd Jun 17, 1:37 AM
    Universal JObmatch 22nd Jun 17 at 1:37 AM
    Hi i'm new here.

    I signed up to Universal JObmatch, but then do I have to log-on and apply for jobs everyday?
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    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 27th Jun 17, 5:55 AM
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    i used to give in paper evidence of my jobsearch, although my adviser is not at all strict and is quite empathetic to my situation, they insist that their bosses will start breathing down their necks if I don't use the UJM for logging jobs every day and they used to accept just 1 job per day, now they ask for 10 a day (which I do already on average) but requires so much work on my part. They didn't mind me having it on paper, its their boss the jobcentre manager that has to review its own staff and has to work to the budget set for the region. I knew the manager before this new IDS clone came in and screwed everything up by putting everyone onto universal credit - the manager before was also understanding of my situation gave me some work placements to see where I might fit in. Now the 'sanction' centre does nothing for me so I signed off my claim and currently on nothing atm.
    Originally posted by nmr1991
    Hmm, that;s being passive aggressive.
    10 jobs a day, (70 a week) is just ridiculous. In my area, there are only about 180 jobs a day advertised on UJM, (many of which I am not qualified for / are part-time hours and perhaps 40 miles away).

    When I last signed on about a month ago (which was also my first sign-on session since claiming), my adviser stated I didn;t have to apply for a specific number of jobs per day/per week and that I don't have to give permission to access my UJM account. That is claiming Universal Credit, not Jobseekers Allowance. Your adviser sounds a right !!!!.

    If I were you, I would sign on again,, (if not back in work). Not pursuing benefits you are entitled to is what the government wants. They;ve won, if you do this - and why should you make yourself poorer than you need to be?
    Last edited by mattcanary; 27-06-2017 at 6:01 AM.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 27th Jun 17, 8:04 AM
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    For the record, i went to JCP in 2015, i managed to get a job before my first appt, though i did attend my first appt to tell them i wont be returning. At no point was i told that i have to look for work for 35 hours. I've been on both sides of the table and that just does not happen unless they know you are taking the pi##
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    Have to disagree with that - as soon as I signed on (redundancy after 25 years) I was told the expectations about full time job hunting.

    With regards to the other poster comments, volunteering got me my current job because it was a change of field and showed the new employer I was genuinely interested.
    And the person who said about having to log onto UJM because of the manager and targets, that's very manipulative of your job coach. Their job targets are their issue not yours. Unless they make it yours by sanctioning you.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 27th Jun 17, 9:04 AM
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    I notice the snake oil sales about volunteering and a positive attitude. Philip Green/Simon Cowell/David Beckham would love to make money from your hard work while paying nothing.
    Originally posted by DevilsMoJo
    Im not a huge fan of organisations offering volunteer jobs. It can be abused by companies getting out of paying people a regular wage. My Last role was a specialist job in the public Sector where we had 3 Support staff as volunteers. Obviously ideal due to the savings cuts. No doubt It would been ideal to replace all the staff with volunteers if they had enough of them
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 27th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
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    They don;t snoop in remotely the same way that advisers can if you allow them access to Universal Jobmatch.
    Do insurance companies snoop into what policyholders do on a daily basis, for example?
    Originally posted by mattcanary
    Yes, if you ask them to. There's at least one insurer where you can give them fitness tracker data, blood test results and other info in exchange for discounts on your premium and other rewards for being healthy (and reducing the chance you make a claim). Given that this may include GPS data this is considerably more intrusive in many ways than what Universal Jobmatch ask for. Of course if you don't want discounted premiums it's not obligatory to sign up with that insurer or hand them your fitness tracker data. Likewise if you don't like the terms on which the Government pays benefits, don't claim them.

    The Government may not snoop in exactly the same way that JobCentre advisers do but equally JobCentre advisers don't use covert surveillance or tap your phone, all of which the Government does for offences as trivial as dog fouling. The point is that the information requested by Universal JobMatch falls a long way short of "government snooping" as most people would understand it.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 27th Jun 17, 6:10 PM
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    Have to disagree with that - as soon as I signed on (redundancy after 25 years) I was told the expectations about full time job hunting.
    Originally posted by elsien
    Maybe it depends on where you are and the adviser maybe? The way JCP handles claimants is usually down to how the manager wants to do things, ive never come across itse;f but evidently, it happens.
    • TyreLever
    • By TyreLever 28th Jun 17, 7:58 AM
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    She implied all job centre staff can view your account not just the person who might be standing in. Think Mattcanary throws up some valid arguments. what if your computer is out of action, off to repair etc. They wont believe you even if it is and would probably sanction you as you wont be able to log on to your account every day. Also by giving them access, they will see what jobs they will force you to apply for and as we all know, the website is not fit for purpose
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    This is why its good to have what I call a "dumbass CV". Nothing OTT stupid, but shitty enough to put employers off while being plausible enough to be a real CV. A few subtle typos, cliches and omit good qualifications and experience.
    Use this one for the jobcenter stuff. Apply for loads of any old jobs at random (again without going OTT) on UJM and give your work coach access. It will look like you have applied to many jobs but realistically, you havent.
    Ofcourse you will send your real CV to jobs you do hope to land, but use a different website for this. You can still mention "I applied for X job too" without your coach seeing that you have a different CV.
    Its also pretty easy to stuff interviews to jobs you dont want without "turning a job down or deliberately jeopardising your chances".
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 28th Jun 17, 7:01 PM
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    ^ Yep and ill fund you while you do it
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 28th Jun 17, 7:33 PM
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    ^ Yep and ill fund you while you do it
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    A useful tactic though if they're fake jobs, (I do think that is less of a problem with UJM than it used to be though).
    • jbond
    • By jbond 16th Jul 17, 10:45 AM
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    You can make their life a little more difficult, they may do the same to you though.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    Whether YOU make their life more difficult or not, THEY have previously, and people are dead as a result!
    The JC can be very much a case of your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
    Things seem to vary depending on the JC office, but JCs aren't there to help people, they're there to find any way possible way to remove ppl off benefits (regardless of whether a job hunt is successful or not).
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 16th Jul 17, 8:41 PM
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    It's not so much using the jobsearch part of it they want you to be using the activity log to copy and paste the job references or links to stuff you have applied for. Jobcentre staff don't sit there on people's UJM accounts except for just before and during the appointment. As they have other people to see and other stuff to do as well.
    Last edited by jessex1990; 16-07-2017 at 8:49 PM.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 16th Jul 17, 9:19 PM
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    Fund people? Ive paid far more into the benefits system than I have ever taken back. I worked full time for 25 years. Do you know how tough it is for some people on UC?

    As for people taking the pee being told to job search 35 hours a week, its mandatory if you are in the all work group on UC. I was told at my first interview that I had to jobsearch 35 hours a week, I certainly dont take the pee, that's the expectation

    Some people have waited so long on their rent element theyve lost their home. Ive only been on UC since January but it has not been easy thanks to DWP errors which has led to a knock on effect to my rent and has led to me being threatened with eviction on several occasions.

    The dwp also owe me money thanks to their error and Ive been battling to get it back for three months now. Plus the way you can be treated when you are there.

    I know how to job search, Ive volunteered on several occasions, Im well qualified.

    This is a hard benefit to be on. You arent allowed to leave the country if you are on UC so if you lose your job and have a holiday booked forget it, unless you shut your claim down and start again or take a sanction or have an understanding work coach,

    There are people who are on UC and who are self employed who have been sanctioned for taking their kids on holiday and not leaving the country.

    And lets not forget that many people on UC actually work. The in work allowance got cut in 2017. Used to be that if you had no kids you could earn 111 a month without getting your benefits affected. Now its nothing, so as soon as you earn a pound, 63 p comes off your benefit.

    Its a tough benefit to be on and some people are suffering on it. So for anyone smugly saying I'll fund you or you dont have to jobsearch 35 hours a week, you really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

    Ive had two eviction notices, been threatened with a possession of recovery of my home and had several nasty letters in between from my landlord, simply because I get my benefit paid in arrears, thats just part of the issues Ive had, Id be here all night telling you the full story due to the lack of communication on their part causing me significant financial hardship along the way.

    I was made to wait the 7 day wait period in error. Ive been battling to get that money for months, but rather than just pay me it theyve closed and re opened my claim on more than one occasion leaving me in arrears because they told my landlord my claim was closed, so my council tax reduction and my dhp stopped. And I still dont have the money

    And Ive been spoken to and treated like dirt at appointments, because I havent got an offer of a full time job in the time period it suited the DWP. Ive been on uc five months and been working part time for most of it.

    See below for the 35 hours a week jobsearch

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-an-introduction/an-introduction-to-universal-credit
    Last edited by annandale; 16-07-2017 at 9:35 PM.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 16th Jul 17, 9:34 PM
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    It's not so much using the jobsearch part of it they want you to be using the activity log to copy and paste the job references or links to stuff you have applied for. Jobcentre staff don't sit there on people's UJM accounts except for just before and during the appointment. As they have other people to see and other stuff to do as well.
    Originally posted by jessex1990
    They don't see my activity log as I refuse to allow them access.Its also Not practical to log your weekly activity using a 4 inch smartphone if thats what they expect
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 19th Jul 17, 6:17 PM
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    Fund people? Ive paid far more into the benefits system than I have ever taken back. I worked full time for 25 years. Do you know how tough it is for some people on UC?

    As for people taking the pee being told to job search 35 hours a week, its mandatory if you are in the all work group on UC. I was told at my first interview that I had to jobsearch 35 hours a week, I certainly dont take the pee, that's the expectation

    Some people have waited so long on their rent element theyve lost their home. Ive only been on UC since January but it has not been easy thanks to DWP errors which has led to a knock on effect to my rent and has led to me being threatened with eviction on several occasions.

    The dwp also owe me money thanks to their error and Ive been battling to get it back for three months now. Plus the way you can be treated when you are there.

    I know how to job search, Ive volunteered on several occasions, Im well qualified.

    This is a hard benefit to be on. You arent allowed to leave the country if you are on UC so if you lose your job and have a holiday booked forget it, unless you shut your claim down and start again or take a sanction or have an understanding work coach,

    There are people who are on UC and who are self employed who have been sanctioned for taking their kids on holiday and not leaving the country.

    And lets not forget that many people on UC actually work. The in work allowance got cut in 2017. Used to be that if you had no kids you could earn 111 a month without getting your benefits affected. Now its nothing, so as soon as you earn a pound, 63 p comes off your benefit.

    Its a tough benefit to be on and some people are suffering on it. So for anyone smugly saying I'll fund you or you dont have to jobsearch 35 hours a week, you really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

    Ive had two eviction notices, been threatened with a possession of recovery of my home and had several nasty letters in between from my landlord, simply because I get my benefit paid in arrears, thats just part of the issues Ive had, Id be here all night telling you the full story due to the lack of communication on their part causing me significant financial hardship along the way.

    I was made to wait the 7 day wait period in error. Ive been battling to get that money for months, but rather than just pay me it theyve closed and re opened my claim on more than one occasion leaving me in arrears because they told my landlord my claim was closed, so my council tax reduction and my dhp stopped. And I still dont have the money

    And Ive been spoken to and treated like dirt at appointments, because I havent got an offer of a full time job in the time period it suited the DWP. Ive been on uc five months and been working part time for most of it.

    See below for the 35 hours a week jobsearch

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-an-introduction/an-introduction-to-universal-credit
    Originally posted by annandale




    Which is one reason why you shouldn;t allow them access to UJM
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 20th Jul 17, 7:11 PM
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    They don't see my activity log as I refuse to allow them access.Its also Not practical to log your weekly activity using a 4 inch smartphone if thats what they expect
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Allowing them access just makes it easier for you to prove that you are looking for work. The jobcentre manager could suspect you aren't doing your job searching and sanction you for it if they don't see that you have been logging on and running searches - even if you don't apply for anything it proves that you looked. Unfortunately it is upto you to prove that you are doing it not them to prove you are not.

    Who said anything about smartphones? UJM doesn't even have an app!
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 20th Jul 17, 7:23 PM
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    Allowing them access just makes it easier for you to prove that you are looking for work. The jobcentre manager could suspect you aren't doing your job searching and sanction you for it if they don't see that you have been logging on and running searches - even if you don't apply for anything it proves that you looked. Unfortunately it is upto you to prove that you are doing it not them to prove you are not.

    Who said anything about smartphones? UJM doesn't even have an app!
    Originally posted by jessex1990
    Think you miss the point. Of course it doesnt have an app. If you only have internet access on your phone then its not practical to log all your activity on it.
    Much easier on paper, plus they cant spy on you to see at what times you have been doing your jobsearching.
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 21st Jul 17, 5:12 PM
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    Think you miss the point. Of course it doesnt have an app. If you only have internet access on your phone then its not practical to log all your activity on it.
    Much easier on paper, plus they cant spy on you to see at what times you have been doing your jobsearching.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    They provide computers for that very purpose so if you don't have a computer or the Internet you can do it there. They don't care what time you do your jobsearches as long as they are done. People have kids to take to school, look after, housework to do - doing your jobsearches at weird times such as 1am isn't unusual.

    I hope you don't provide these kind of excuses to your work coaches because it raises eyebrows, it makes me suspect you haven't done it so your work coach could be thinking the same thing. If they don't think you are keeping to that claimant commitment contract they will try to sanction you. I'm just looking at for you.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 21st Jul 17, 5:42 PM
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    Uui
    They provide computers for that very purpose so if you don't have a computer or the Internet you can do it there. They don't care what time you do your jobsearches as long as they are done. People have kids to take to school, look after, housework to do - doing your jobsearches at weird times such as 1am isn't unusual.

    I hope you don't provide these kind of excuses to your work coaches because it raises eyebrows, it makes me suspect you haven't done it so your work coach could be thinking the same thing. If they don't think you are keeping to that claimant commitment contract they will try to sanction you. I'm just looking at for you.
    Originally posted by jessex1990
    So they want me to walk 2 miles down to my job centre every day and log my activity on their computers. Not a chance im afraid. They want you to spend 35 hours a week looking for jobs which would be totally soul destroying to most people . Wonder who came up with that bright idea. You dont need to do anything nearly that. By allowing them access to your universal job account they can see how long you are spending doing that.Not having any problems so far they are quite happy with my evidence on paper.
    Last edited by Stylehutz; 21-07-2017 at 5:49 PM.
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 21st Jul 17, 5:59 PM
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    Uui

    So they want me to walk 2 miles down to my job centre every day and log my activity on their computers. Not a chance im afraid. They want you to spend 35 hours a week looking for jobs which would be totally soul destroying to most people . Wonder who came up with that bright idea. You dont need to do anything nearly that. By allowing them access to your universal job account they can see how long you are spending doing that.Not having any problems so far they are quite happy with my evidence on paper.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    You don't have to do it every single day just as long as you put dates in to say which day you did it on. Although someone at my local jobcentre has been made to come in every single day because of excuses similar to yours. You keep coming up with more and more excuses and putting up roadblocks where they need not exist. You might not think there's any problems so far but you aren't privvy to their discussions with the manager in the office. They could have suspicions about you and playing it cool.

    However to be constructive:

    I agree 35 hours is excessive as is people putting numbers on it when there might not be that many suitable jobs a day. I really do think 10 hours (2 per day excluding weekends) is more than enough - doing one application form properly can be your full requirements providing it is complex enough like a civil service job or a graduate scheme. It is better to do one amazing application rather than ten crappy ones in the same period of time

    Also there is no requirement that you have to use jobmatch for that many hours, they are aware other job sites exist such as Reed, indeed, fishajob, guardian etc... Exist and those hours will not be logged unless you do so manually. It's a good way of bolstering your jobsearch along with 'i went to town and looked in the shop windows to see if anyone was advertising' that's at least an hour possibly 2 or 3 depending on how big your town is or if you have a massive shopping centre like bluewater. Reading the newspaper to look for jobs or gaining knowledge of jobs which might be available soon - like new businesses opening up, expanding or moving premises is another good one as well - as it shows initiative by applying for a job before its actually advertised. Another good one is reading newspapers to gain commercial awareness to help you get a job in a specific industry like legal, finance etc....


    If you are doing voluntary work somewhere like a charity shop than you can have your expected hours reduced as well as gain some stuff to put on your CV.
    Last edited by jessex1990; 21-07-2017 at 6:15 PM.
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