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    • SpiderOftheWeb
    • By SpiderOftheWeb 20th Jun 17, 3:28 PM
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    SpiderOftheWeb
    PIP zero points (Assessment report)
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    • 20th Jun 17, 3:28 PM
    PIP zero points (Assessment report) 20th Jun 17 at 3:28 PM
    Hello everyone, today I received a letter from the PIP saying that I scored zero points on everything and that I will no longer be getting DLA. It was also followed by his/her reasons for not awarding me PIP. Their report on me was a pack of vile lies.

    Before I write down lines from their report as well as my rebuttals, I will tell you that I have been suffering from anxiety, depression, moderate learning difficulties like ADHD as well as a sleep disorder for many years to the point that I can not go out without my carer or anyone that I fully trust thanks to my overwhelming paranoia, anxiety to the point that I feel physically sick as If someone is suffocating me. I will not go in full detail with my everyday life as that is for another post or even comment.

    Here are his/her reasons as well my rebuttals:

    -According to the assessor, I supposedly reported that I can travel independently to places that I have been and that I am able to use public transport on my own

    My rebuttal: That is !!!!!!!! because I never reported such a thing. I told them that I need someone with me such as my carer or someone that I trust during my journeys and that the reason I hate going out is because I feel as If people are looking at me and talking behind my back. I also have panic attacks as I previously mentioned.

    His/her report: I was able to participate through the assessment without being prompted by my carer and that I did not lean on my carer for support and reassurance.

    My rebuttal: Every time my carer tried to talk to them or prompt me, they told my carer to 'shhhh' also I always looked at my carer for help and support but the assessor said that I only looked at him a few times.

    His/her report: I currently manage on low dose first line antidepressant/anxiety.

    My rebuttal: I rarely take my meds for the following two reasons: I need prompting to take my sleeping pills at the Right times or otherwise I end up taking them at about 12 or 1 in the morning. I don't like taking my 20mg antidepressants because either they don't work or they make me feel worse so obviously I am not coping well. Also, if I am in a worse state, I will end up taking another pill.

    His/her report: I looked well nourished and clean.

    My rebuttal: I clearly told them that the night before my assessment, my carer prompted me as he/she always does to have a shower because I don't like having showers when I am in a depressed state which causes me to lack motivation, I prefer to hide away in my room when I am in a dark place.

    His/her report: They have decided that I can organise and follow the route of a journey unaided.

    My rebuttal: Oh is that why the last that I attempted a journey (I was with a 'friend' but he left me stranded) I got lost and in a state of panic I had to phone someone to collect me. I can't plan my own journeys because I can't remember that much information about such a plan especially when the routes are so far and complex.

    His/her report: I supposedly coped well with adequate rapport and eye contact.

    My rebuttal: All through the visit I felt uncomfortable to the point that I wanted it over and done with. (My carer later told me that he/she also didn't like the assessor). Also my eyes were either on the ground or at my carer. I only looked at the assessor a few times to answer a question. Also my carer told me that I sounded anxious.

    Me and my carer both had a bad feeling about the assessor and during the times that I talked about my mental health she seemed to downplay it such as the time that I tried telling them about my paranoia, she/he just said 'well everyone gets paranoid don't they'. She gave me those 'mental illness is just a phase' vibes.

    She did ask if I ever attempted to kill my self and I said no but that I have had thoughts of suicide However, I failed to mention that I self harm when I am in a stressful dark place to try and get rid of that pathetic feeling and pain but the reason I never mentioned it is because no one including my carer knows and the reason is because I am deeply ashamed.

    They also mentioned in the report that my concentration, intelligence and memory is 'adequate' just because I passed a few tests such as the serial seven and three stage command. During those tests, I really struggled with mathematic subtractions but the tests such as folding a paper in half, spelling Earth (or whatever the word was) backwards, remember three items on a table such as a pencil, crayon (and I think a ruler or staple) were tasks that a 7 year old could do.

    They also mentioned the Stranger Danger scenario as If I am mentally challenged (sorry to those If I was politically incorrect) or a child. I mean what the hell has that got to do with my issues such as Depression and anxiety? I also can't cook unaided because I don't know how long to heat food or when that dish is ready also the last time that I attempted to cook meal, I ended up very sick but according to the report, I can cook unaided.

    The fact that I have my own bank account went used against me despite the fact that it was my school and my carer who helped create it and apparently I use my card unaided despite telling them that my carer uses it for me.

    This letter has caused me a great deal of stress and the strange thing about it is that the evidence I gave her including the report from a clinical psychologist contradicts the assessors report.
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    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 23rd Jun 17, 1:28 PM
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    teddysmum

    My Carer also told them at the time that he felt like I could cook and make a meal on my own but obviously I can't because the last time I tried to, I ruined it and made myself Ill.

    Originally posted by SpiderOftheWeb
    Your carer has faith in your ability prepare a meal,so don't say you can't do it based on one failure and have another try.


    Everyone, including Cordon Bleu chefs have cooking disasters and my husband in particular, who cooked a shop bought pizza with the polystyrene base still attached. I often get distracted and boil pans of vegetables dry and a friend who is a qualified chef, admitted that she had a sponge cake faila few weeks ago.
    • SpiderOftheWeb
    • By SpiderOftheWeb 23rd Jun 17, 2:01 PM
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    SpiderOftheWeb
    Your carer has faith in your ability prepare a meal,so don't say you can't do it based on one failure and have another try.


    Everyone, including Cordon Bleu chefs have cooking disasters and my husband in particular, who cooked a shop bought pizza with the polystyrene base still attached. I often get distracted and boil pans of vegetables dry and a friend who is a qualified chef, admitted that she had a sponge cake faila few weeks ago.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    The reason I need help with cooking a meal is that I am easily overwhelmed with information and that I don't know the right volume of food to use also I am easily confused by how long to cook the meal and I am easily distracted. Also I am easily forgetful like for example at night, I repeatedly check if the doors are locked at night.

    Just because my carer (it is not an official but a family member) thought at the time does not mean that I am able to cook unaided.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 23rd Jun 17, 2:02 PM
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    The earliest appointment is with a doctor that a lot of people including myself do not trust. He is in his 80s or 90s, he is deaf and he is known for messing up meds and misdiagnosing people. The good news is that he is retiring.
    Originally posted by SpiderOftheWeb
    An 80 or 90 year old GP?

    This is starting to take a familiar turn!
    • Magenta
    • By Magenta 23rd Jun 17, 5:07 PM
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    Magenta
    I am not physically able to make a meal and 1 get them frozen ,readyto cook in the microwave from Wiltshire Farm Foods. They are not bad at all and perhaps it's something you could try Spider.
    Could I just ask you how old you are?
    Just to mention that on my Pip assessment report they stated that I am left handed (I am right handed but cannot use) and that I had no problems preparing and cooking meals!!
    They just write what they like....
    Magenta
    • Profligate
    • By Profligate 23rd Jun 17, 6:56 PM
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    Hi Spideroftheweb,

    It's not unusual to score 0 at the medical, and then to be awarded PIP at tribunal.

    It's upsetting to have your health problems ignored/ minimised and inaccuracies stated as fact, but you've been given lots of useful advice above - read it and follow it.

    Remember, PIP is not awarded cos you've got poor health &/or a disability alone...
    You only receive a PIP award if you score enough points on either the daily living activities or the mobility questions
    Here are the PIP descriptors again https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Documents/Advice%20(public)/PIP%20%E2%80%93%20table%20of%20activities,%20descr iptors%20and%20points.pdf

    I would focus now on writing a strong case for the Mandatory Reconsideration/ appeal, calmly and clearly correcting the inaccuracies on the decision letter .

    I would also look carefully at the PIP descriptors, to see where i scored at least 8 points on the Daily Living Activities and/or where I scored at least 8 on Mobility (12pts for enhanced rates) - and state this.

    Good idea to try to get help from Citizens Advice etc with this

    Good luck
    • Profligate
    • By Profligate 23rd Jun 17, 7:02 PM
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    Sorry, my link above doesn't work - not sure why. Hopefully this one will. About halfway down, talking about the descriptors, there's a link to download the 'table of activities, descriptors and points'
    www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/how-decisions-are-made/
    • SpiderOftheWeb
    • By SpiderOftheWeb 24th Jun 17, 11:13 AM
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    SpiderOftheWeb
    First I want to say thank you to everyone on here for helping me with your advice that I will be looking but the problem is, I don't have anything to print out the MR form template that one of you guys sent me.

    Also regarding the inaccuracies of the psychology report especially the one about my carer supposedly telling them that he/she felt like I could cook on my own. Well according to my carer it is a lie because he/she never said those things and that the lies was most likely conducted by my cousin's scumbag ex bf and a social worker who was working on a case that was meant to involve only my cousin and her at the time boyfriend since they were both living with us.


    How am I ever going to get this info corrected?
    • dave030445
    • By dave030445 24th Jun 17, 11:23 AM
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    dave030445
    First I want to say thank you to everyone on here for helping me with your advice that I will be looking but the problem is, I don't have anything to print out the MR form template that one of you guys sent me.

    Also regarding the inaccuracies of the psychology report especially the one about my carer supposedly telling them that he/she felt like I could cook on my own. Well according to my carer it is a lie because he/she never said those things and that the lies was most likely conducted by my cousin's scumbag ex bf and a social worker who was working on a case that was meant to involve only my cousin and her at the time boyfriend since they were both living with us.


    How am I ever going to get this info corrected?
    Originally posted by SpiderOftheWeb
    Internet cafe just go on this site you wont have to log in and print it x
    • SpiderOftheWeb
    • By SpiderOftheWeb 24th Jun 17, 11:35 AM
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    SpiderOftheWeb
    Internet cafe just go on this site you wont have to log in and print it x
    Originally posted by dave030445
    Unfortunately their are no internet cafes next to me.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 24th Jun 17, 12:13 PM
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    No need to print out the MR template - just use it as a guide for the MR letter you will send to the DWP.
    • XlordB
    • By XlordB 10th Nov 17, 3:47 PM
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    Elephant in the room.
    I read these posts a lot and its good that people are trying to help. But the elephant in the room here so to speak is that nothing is being done about the liers and sham assessors who are continually putting us through hell. How is it that 1 year before you are due to renew your pip they can give you a "PIP review" and actually stop your pip 1 year before its even due to finish and the worst of it is its stopped due to lies on the "indepentant servces (atos)" assessors answers. Either the assessor isnt lying and the person who makes the decision is changing the assessors statements that are put down OR it is actually the assessors... the reason I mention it like this is because the assessor says they dont make the decision so if this is the case then the person that recieves this who is changing the statements for their own benefit is unable to be held responsible since nobody knows the name of the person other than the assessor.. which means the assessor also has aget out clause by stating they dont make the decision...

    The elephant in the room is that this sham service is getting away with murder literally with absolutley no punishment or comeback.. people should be infurated about this not just sweeping it aside and thinking its ok because it can be appealed.. the process from start to finish has already caused enough suicides to put every person working in this service away for 70 years no parole.. the government havent even addressed the fact that the un has made a case for human rights abuse against our government yet absolutley NOTHING has been done about it. It seems people care more about money than people and this is absolutley disgusting it shows when you talk to anyone who is anim alright jack "upper" working class citizen with no disabilitys thinking that the disable are stealing their money..... it wil make no difference to these peoples wage packets or even taxes if our disabled were all culled off.. who will they blame then???. Personally im sick of it all sick of hearing about it sick of life sick of the fact they lie and stop your pip for reasons none other than to their own financial bonuses.. they pass the blame and take no responsibility.

    When will the day come when people say enough is enough and do something about it.!
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 1st Dec 17, 4:36 AM
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    I agree but the system is setup in a way that the assessors are not accountable.

    Its all very clever, outsource to a private company so this prevents FOI requests and accountability. Then to further this the assessors themselves seem to have no accountability other than internal auditing to assess the quality of their work, but I think that auditing is primarily to make sure they not qualifying too many people rather than things like how often they get overturned by a tribunal.

    What would be great is if a tribunal could fine the DWP, so them losing a case actually costs them money other than paying backdated money owed. But the tribunal doesnt have this power, and I have had a chair tell me that face to face saying he is very frustrated by it as they know the DWP takes advantage of the system.

    As long as this practice is cash flow positive and pumps the ideology it will continue. The tribunal costs dont come out of the DWP budget so to them its not costly.

    The DWP hiring ATOS, maximus etc is akin to a clean businessman hiring a thug to beat someone up, keeping his own hands clean.
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