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    • shadowqueen
    • By shadowqueen 20th Jun 17, 8:17 AM
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    If you leave all your social media passwords belong to us
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    • 20th Jun 17, 8:17 AM
    If you leave all your social media passwords belong to us 20th Jun 17 at 8:17 AM
    I'm currently job-seeking and before I signed an offer I asked for a copy of their employee handbook.

    Bear in mind this is not for a marketing or sales company nor is it a marketing or sales position.

    One clause states that upon leaving, you must hand over all LinkedIn contacts made during your employment as well as your personal LinkedIn password.

    Another clause states that if you are suspected of having said something "wrong" on your personal social media you must hand over all social media passwords.

    This isn't enforceable right? It's contravening most social media's terms of use as it is.

    Other gems from this employee handbook include a ban on all shoes that management doesn't approve of, including shoes with heels or sandals and a very vague clause about doing you for misconduct if they feel your sickness is your fault including all sickness caused by taking in hazardous activity.

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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 20th Jun 17, 12:11 PM
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    unless it also says you ALSO authorise them to access the accounts(which is against the terms of most accounts. anyway) handing over a password

    just create a list of passwords hand them over just after they all got changed to something else.

    sorry you only get the passwords once and they don't work anymore because you are using them to access my accounts without authorization.

    Going to be a bit of a problem for your google and ms accounts as they have crossovers from social media into other much more private stuff.


    if they want you using any of the platforms for work then create work accounts specifically for work.

    don't forget things like VOIP if the company uses things like skype create a work account.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 20th Jun 17, 12:13 PM
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    Hold up, what now? I hope you're talking about the 2 year cut off.

    In my current industry changing jobs every couple of years is a fairly standard thing.
    Originally posted by shadowqueen
    No, I'm just pointing out that you cannot make a claim for unfair dismissal (unless there has been unlawful discrimination on one of the few legally protected grounds) during your first two years of employment.

    So, the rights and wrongs of certain contract terms are largely irrelevant as you can be dismissed for no reason at all just by paying your contractual notice (or one week's pay is no notice period is specified).
    • shadowqueen
    • By shadowqueen 20th Jun 17, 12:16 PM
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    Gotcha. It's just the post employment password handover. I mean, in theory with 2FA a password shouldn't be much good to them anyway.
    • takman
    • By takman 20th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    Gotcha. It's just the post employment password handover. I mean, in theory with 2FA a password shouldn't be much good to them anyway.
    Originally posted by shadowqueen
    That alone makes its ridiculous to ask for a Facebook password considering they offer 2FA and if they are hiring people for a tech job then they are likely to have it enabled. Although alot of people are still too silly to not bother with it!.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 20th Jun 17, 1:47 PM
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    They ask for passwords, do they ask for usernames? Just curious as they'd be redundant without each other
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 20th Jun 17, 2:15 PM
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    if they want you using any of the platforms for work then create work accounts specifically for work.

    don't forget things like VOIP if the company uses things like skype create a work account.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    This is the answer...
    I'm guessing this is a start-up company and they are thinking everybody is like them and blurs work and home and also not big enough to have a HR or legal department who would realise this is not a sensible clause. If you really want to work there - loopholes have already been pointed out. If not - look elsewhere (and then tell everybody on social media about this contract!)
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    • pimento
    • By pimento 20th Jun 17, 2:17 PM
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    Just tell them that you don't have a Facebook or LinkedIn account.
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    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 20th Jun 17, 2:18 PM
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    Why not just add that they can sleep with my wife and come in and help themselves to the contents on my home as well.

    They can put what they want in a contract, whether it's enforceable or not is another matter. I don't think asking you for personal information is reasonable. It's nothing to do with them, unless you directly use these accounts for work.
    Originally posted by Gavin83
    It sounds draconian to me - just as well I'm out of the workplace now.

    If they have the right to insist on having access to all your personal social media, why don't they demand copies of all letters written and received and recordings of conversations you have when in a social setting?
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 20th Jun 17, 3:22 PM
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    I'm guessing this is a start-up company and they are thinking everybody is like them and blurs work and home and also not big enough to have a HR or legal department who would realise this is not a sensible clause.
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    It sounds more likely to be the work of the HR or legal department who are unfamiliar with the technical reasons why the clause is idiotic.
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 20th Jun 17, 3:54 PM
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    Sadly plenty of people do. This forum and others get lots of posts from employees who have done just that!
    Originally posted by Undervalued
    Do you think we should have the jobs board closed down then
    That way no one will be heard? Hadn't realised people responding were not feeding anything...

    In all seriousness who would want to access f:;book on an employer's computer for personal reasons.

    When I leave a company I'd delete the account if created on their premises - worked for one place where you'd have a t#!tter / LinkedIn account at employers standard encouragement on starting, that sure got deleted last day.
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    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 21st Jun 17, 6:48 AM
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    I work in tech and yes I've been in work many years now, moving around every one to two years. I have four offers on the table currently and while this job is on paper the best, it's the only one that's mentioned these things.

    If I get sideswiped by a lorry while cycling to work and have to go to hospital do I need to worry about being done for misconduct because cycling is a hazardous activity?

    I personally can't believe you're all so willing to hand over all your social media passwords.
    Originally posted by shadowqueen
    I agree with you that the clause requiring you to nahd your employer details of ally our Linkedin contacts when you leave the company is ridiculous.
    Appalling invasion of privacy and it's free marketing for the company too.
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 21st Jun 17, 6:56 AM
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    I don't understand the concern about giving over passwords when you leave. Just give them your current passwords and change them as soon as you get home. You've complied with their requirements with no harm to yourself other than a couple of minutes at the keyboard. I think it's a stupid thing to put into the contract for the very reasons I've given.
    Dress code is a different matter and all employers have a right to state what is or isn't acceptable, within reason. 'Hazardous activity' is a more difficult one and should be more clearly defined by the employer simply because it is too wide open to interpretation. My first employer tried to claim that football fell into that category!
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    That's not the point! If they put in some of the clauses they have into their terms of employment, what kind of employer are they? A !!!! one, I;d guess!
    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 21st Jun 17, 8:25 AM
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    It sounds draconian to me - just as well I'm out of the workplace now.

    If they have the right to insist on having access to all your personal social media, why don't they demand copies of all letters written and received and recordings of conversations you have when in a social setting?
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    i was going to say something similar. My last paid employment was 2004 at a University, and there were no conditions even remotely like these. Have things changed so much? The shoe clause was interesting, no heels or sandals. As most sandals are flat that doesn't leave much to choose from
    • skull
    • By skull 5th Jul 17, 2:00 PM
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    Am I missing something? NO-ONE should have access to your passwords and user names, as they could then enter comments as though they were you, including defamatory ones. It only takes a boss/supervisor who has a grudge against you, or who is a bully, or predator to write something untrue about you, for it to affect your chance of a next job, as employers often look at your social media page to suss you out, so I'm told. There is enough bullying in the workplace as it is. Surely they could request you access your site for them to view without seeing your password if they have a problem or suspect you have written something nasty about them. Just saying...
    • Rosemary7391
    • By Rosemary7391 5th Jul 17, 2:31 PM
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    Here's a thought - how do they define "social media"? If they include things like MyFitnessPal (they have a forum there after all, and a "wall" where you can share things...), then handing over those passwords with all their data is a bit different from a LinkedIn professional profile...
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    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 6th Jul 17, 3:52 PM
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    Since the stupid clause is aimed at people who have been badmouthing their employers on social media, they would probably say that they only want to see the accounts on which you were badmouthing them to a wide audience or were suspected of doing so. So obviously they don't need your MyFitnessPal password.

    If they did try to enforce this clause against you, then instead of saying "Haha, the clause is stupid because I have 2FA / it's against their T&Cs, you're not having my passwords" it would be better to meet them halfway and say "I'm not giving you my passwords because there's no need for anyone at the company to have that power over my account, however I'm happy to sit with a manager and scroll through my Facebook feed for as long as it takes until you're satisfied there's nothing there." Assuming of course you want to keep the job. Obviously I could already have deleted the offending posts, but I could have done the same before giving them the password.

    If they're reasonable they have no reason not to agree to this and if they're unreasonable you are probably screwed no matter what you do.
    • tgroom57
    • By tgroom57 8th Jul 17, 6:48 PM
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    I work in tech and yes I've been in work many years now, moving around every one to two years. I have four offers on the table currently and while this job is on paper the best, it's the only one that's mentioned these things.

    I personally can't believe you're all so willing to hand over all your social media passwords.
    Originally posted by shadowqueen
    I've been away from work (tech) a while but I wouldn't put up with this nonsense about passwords.
    • If I was going to 'review' them it would be on Glassdoor, not facebook.
    • List of contacts can be exported from Linked in and that's what they'd get (at most) -but if I was handing over their contact details I'd obviously notify / advise all my Linked In contacts first.

    I wonder what else the company haven't thought through.

    • Energize
    • By Energize 9th Jul 17, 3:56 AM
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    Asking to hand over passwords is ridiculous and not a normal clause at all, it is a complete red flag and unenforceable. Run away as fast as you can because it's a sign of worse things to come!
    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 9th Jul 17, 1:41 PM
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    One large respected employer has just had to remind all staff about the dress code in this weather- which includes fine detail right down to the minimum amount of strap/sleeve required - basically saying shoulders must be covered, no spaghetti straps or vest tops unless covered by a cardigan which is not removed. I've also in the past worked for a city institution that required all staff to have their legs covered either with trousers, although ladies were allowed to wear tights/stockings that gave an appearance of more than 10 denier.
    Originally posted by soolin
    I know you don't work there but I would be interested in seeing this policy in written form, and know how it's enforced, as it sounds frankly bordering on ridiculous. To whose eyes is the 10 denier "appearance"? Or do they measure the luminous transmittance of said tights, or does the employee have to produce her (yes I assumed her gender) till receipt and empty packaging? I'm no expert but 10 is pretty sheer I believe.

    And to the OP - I think asking for your LinkedIn password is a step too far as this covers your entire career not just the period with that employer. Unless it was a very specific job such as a recruitment consultant where you setup an online profile specifically for your role so that your facebook/twitter/linkedin was purely for contacts garnered in that job.

    You could give them the wrong password anyway - what action are they realistically going to take?
    • marlot
    • By marlot 9th Jul 17, 2:10 PM
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    My father's employer tried to get him to sign that he had to get company permission, in writing, for all paid and voluntary work done by him or any member of his family. It was worded so badly that he's have needed to get permission just to run a neighbour to the shops!
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